Posts by MeanMrMustard

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Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

@SWTTE:

There's a lot there about money there. As you said, money has been around for quite some time. Are you saying that money itself is a problem? If so, I wouldn't agree. I don't think there is anything wrong with money, itself. It is a tool. It facilitates exchange, facilitates economic calculation.

But perhaps that is part of the divide here. I am not sure how you rate yourself on the political spectrum, but the next question might reveal something...

Out of control world + low compassion = Divided.

But that just pushes the question off by only one level. What is causing the world to go out of control? If you think the world is out of control, what does "in control" look like? What do you feel is wrong?

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Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

@Rivergang:

It sucks to be in a situation of resentment. Although, usually there are reasons for resentment. No worries if you don’t want to go further. The OP wanted to talk about deeper meaning why one half of the country wants to disfellowship/divorce the other. I don’t really think it has anything to do with Trump or Biden personally. And I don’t think it’s superficial at all.

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Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

@Rivergang:

And so the question still looms: what is the conflict? You think it is minor, just a matter of timing?

If the husband of the hypothetical divorcing couple stated, as the reason for divorce, that the wife has a spending problem, slept around a bit, and was an emotional manipulator, do you really think the divorce was about meals?

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Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

@Rivergang:

That seems a bit obvious. If it handled by a secession, then the outcome will be determined by the secession. If it is handled by an armed conflict, then the outcome will be determined by the armed conflict. If it is handled by the big tech companies silencing any dissent, then the outcome will be determined by the censorship. Again, seems obvious.

But then again, is anything really "handled"?

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U.K. Nurse Vaccinated With Covid Shot Has Covid Weeks After Getting Vac!

by minimus in

jw
friends

someone i know from england is a nurse.

she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.

she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.

MeanMrMustard

Even non-political information would be nice. People are smart and can make good decisions, if given good information.

46

Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

@Rivergang:

If that is true, then you are saying there is no real reason for the divide. It's just humans being ass holes ("human nature" and its tendency to oppose a position for no reason at all). You've reduced both sides to having no real reason for holding their positions.

This isn't a divide over whether the tax rate should be 10% or 15%. Those are the divisions we've had in the past. Now, the country **wants** to split.

When a couple gets a divorce, it is unlikely because the wife couldn't make a decent tuna casserole.

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Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

@peacefulpete:

Divides have always existed. But a new element is the weaponizing of the internet.

So you are saying that these divisions have always been there, but the internet has caused them to become more explicit? If that is true, then it dodges the real question: Why is there a divide? What *really* is the divide?

Or are you saying that the divide is actually small, and the internet is creating a fake divide?

46

Sound Familiar?

by peacefulpete in

a republican congressman voted his conscience to impeach trump.

the results might surprise some of us.. "my dad's cousins sent me a petition - a certified letter - saying they disowned me because i'm in 'the devil's army' now," kinzinger said in a phone conversation on thursday.

"it's been crazy, when you have friends - that you thought were good friends that would love you no matter what - that don't.".

MeanMrMustard

Ok, so let’s try :

Why do you (not directed toward anyone in particular) think there is such a political divide?

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U.K. Nurse Vaccinated With Covid Shot Has Covid Weeks After Getting Vac!

by minimus in

jw
friends

someone i know from england is a nurse.

she told me there was an outbreak at the hospital and she got the virus after being vaccinated.

she said she was told it probably would have been much worse for her had she not gotten vaccinated.

MeanMrMustard

I one time heard about this person who was wearing a seatbelt, got in a head-on auto collision, and died anyway.

I don’t think anyone was saying that you shouldn’t take the vaccine because it is not 100% effective.

Today, to be more consistent with the current risk assessment we have, we should ban cars outright. So many people die in accidents each year, and the number of cases (people driving) is only increasing. It’s worth it if we save one life. #BanDeathCarriages #ItsTime

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The Trolley Problem

by Simon in

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so you've probably heard of the ethical dilemma question which is a thought-experiment where you imagine there is a runaway train-trolley, a junction with a lever that you can pull and two tracks - one with 5 workers on it and another with just 1, but no way to warn them.. all you can do is pull the lever, or not, thus allowing 5 people to die or through your direct action sacrificing 1 to save them.. what should you do?.

this sort of thing may seem silly but it comes up in real life.

should a self-driving car for instance, faced with a certain collision, chose which pedestrians to run over?

MeanMrMustard

Today trolley = COVID, switch = lockdowns. Except the problem is a bit different. The track forks, and if the switch is activated (no lockdown) the trolley moves to a track with one person on it, often referred to as “grandma”, destined for death. But on the other track, there seems to be nobody. The track is clear. The choice seems obvious. But if you look a few miles down the track, out of the current view, there’s several million lined up ready for slaughter, just out of the view at the moment.