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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  That would be ridiculous, actually extremely stupid and I would expect a similar thread with lots of outrage and confusion, just more Mr Whippy jokes.

  Ok, so it’s not the item. It’s not that it was liquor. It’s that it was $800, correct?
  
  
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  The hypocrisy isn't in the deed. It's in the words he preaches. The deed is benign.

  Ok. But when has he said anything about not buying alcohol? Has he placed limits on alcohol purchases?
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  It’s not a staple, single malt whiskey or any alcohol for that matter, it’s a luxury. It’s a luxury that Mr Morris cannot afford.

  Ok. So it’s a luxury that makes it a scandal. Would it be alright if he bought cheap whiskey? What if he bought $800 worth of iced cream?
  
  
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  @BourneIdentity:

  First off, love your work. Sorry for all that TreadStone business...

  MMM, it is of my opinion that this is such a big scandal due to the man involved. You know, the most judgmental prick on the planet, the holier than thou, the man who’s shit doesn’t stink like the rest of us.

  Right. So if this were a different, more soft-spoken, member of the GB, it would be OK?

  I’m sorry if I’m coming across as upset, but it really bothers me that he has the gall to tell little children they can pass up on the ice cream and send their $$$ to the Society, but he has no problem buying $100 bottles of booze. It’s downright sickening.

  No problem. I imagine you would have a short fuse after getting shot in the back, losing your memory...

  OK, so it’s not the alcohol per se. It’s the fact that he is spending any money on himself? Basically, he should be a monk if he is going to ask for donations, encouraging kids to send in their money?
  
  
  
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  Hey MMM, do you understand that one does not need to get drunk, slur your words and stumble around drunk, to develop alcohol dependence?

  Hey 2+2=5, And purchasing 12 bottles at a time doesn’t imply dependence. I’m trying to work out the principles behind the reasons why this is viewed as a scandal. Nobody is offering any clarity...

  So you think he is dependent?
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  MMM - How can wasting over 800 dollars on booze be exemplary?

  Right. So it’s the amount? If he purchased $200 worth of liquor, it would be OK? And it is “wasting” money because of the product purchased?

  He is the one demanding 8 million others practice austerity so as to contribute their surplus to the cult. Twelve bottles of top-end single malt deserves an explanation.

  Ok, so the GB should not buy liquor at all because it could be used for “more important things”? What if he bought iced cream, which seems equally useless?
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  Yes.. except in the totalitarian world this guy invented, in each of theses scenarios I’ve seen either qualified men lose their appointments, or others like myself put on restrictions.

  And I have seen the exact opposite. I’ve been a part of three separate congregations, spanning 15 years. In each of these, all the elders had plenty of liquor. My entire family is into this damn religion, and in each of their houses there is a liquor cabinet - stocked. My in-laws having the largest, and my FIL is an active elder now. When I was studying, a long time ago, the man studying with me, also an elder at the time, would have wine tasting parties. There were some older aged scotch there too if you wanted a sample.
  

  But, for all of these experiences the rule was no drunkenness. The liquor cabinets I see aren’t emptied in a day, a week, a month, or even a year.
  

  I don’t doubt that some witness struggle with alcoholism, but possessing a bunch of alcohol has never been a sign of drunkenness to me.
  

  Something doesn't need to be a disfellowshipping offense for it to be hypocrisy. What if a GB member sent their children to University and encouraged them to pursue a career in medicine? What if they bought a Rolls Royce? What if they only did 1 hour a month door-to-door and refused to submit to the public humiliation of of standing beside a trolley?

  Right. I get that. But I’ve haven’t seen any such advice given concerning alcohol, EXCEPT flat out drunkenness, excesses, being “given to wine”, etc. And as I have said, merely possessing the alcohol and drinking slowly over time is not excessive. A lot of people I know, witnesses and non-witnesses (I’ve gotten to know some evangelicals since being out), have liquor caches, and they buy the liquor in spirts. It isn’t consumed quickly.
  

  Any average JW might do all of these things and avoid being DFd. They might even be viewed as a JW in good standing. But for one of the law-givers of 8 million JWs to do these things is rank hypocrisy. So is spending 800 dollars on whisky.

  Why? Like I said, and you have said above, it happens all the time without losing standing.

  'For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required' - Luke 12:48

  Alright, so this is a different principle. It is along the lines of Vanderhoven7’s post. Basically, because some small fraction might see this and freak out, he shouldn’t do it at all. That’s the same principle Paul applied to the early Christians that wanted to eat a good pork chop. Basically, the line of reason is : It’s not a sin, but there are retards among us, so for their sake, don’t do it. That logic always rubbed me the wrong way, but alright. If you want to apply that here, then buying the scotch the way he did would be consistent with that principle. So here is the question, given the doctrines and standing of the organization, do you think a member of the GB can purchase scotch at a liquor store?
  
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  MM, You can not argue with someone who has no point. You sir have no point.

  Sure I did. What did he do wrong, exactly? Are members of the governing body allowed to drink or not?

  Why would anyone ever give quarter to such a douche nozzle as Tight pants Tony?

  Yeah, I agree. I grant you that he may be a “douche nozzle” with a tight pants fetish. But it may be you that is “giving him quarter”. If you, or any of us, are going to go after the GB, or a singular member thereof, it should be for something that actually makes sense. Child molestation issues within the organization - definitely. Witnesses dying needlessly from refusing blood transfusions - yes. Horrible shunning practices - absolutely. And many more issues! These are all things that are antithetical to basic morality, and to the Bible. So I’m with you on those. But there is no basis within the religion, or even the broader Christian tradition, to even suggest buying 12 bottles of scotch is a sin. So it’s a non issue. I guess it could be if he is drinking it all in a short period of time - as if this is his weekly supply. Yeah, then he is a drunkard and then you would have a point. But do you really think he is doing that?

  If an active witness were to lurk on this thread, they would think it is a non issue and that you are being a little bit of a nut bag.

  UNLESS!! Unless things have changed in the organization and alcohol is no longer allowed, or tight-pants-like edicts have been issued about buying lots of liquor at once. Or something that would make it matter. If not then... well.... meh.
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  MM if you buy that shit I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

  Your scathing logic has swayed me...

  How could I ever consider anything else after hearing such rock solid arguments?
  
  
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  Tony Morris video footage of him buying a dozen bottles of scotch

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was howling watching cedars latest video of tm111 buying a dozen bottles of scotch ((maccallans scotch).

  you can't write this stuff.

  right, i'm now off to buy a bottle of maccallans 😂..

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  MeanMrMustard

  Is this really such a scandal? I finally got around to watching the video. When I was active there were never any restrictions on alcohol consumption, except for excessive drinking or drunkenness.

  Seems like a reasonable decision to go to NJ to buy the scotch since it costs less, taxes aren’t quite as high, gas is cheaper, and NY liquor stores don’t open until noon on Sundays. Makes sense to me that he might just take a trip and buy a shirt ton of it to last for the next year or two.