Posts by MeanMrMustard

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Is JW shunning a religious hate crime ?

by stan livedeath in

see the title.

MeanMrMustard

Your personally free to shun anyone who you decide deserves to be cut out off your life.

But the issue as I understand it ,is when you try to influence others to shun the individual and encourage them to cut off association with the individual .

So when jws make a announcement saying touchofgrey is no longer a jws ,they are basically telling everyone who hears the announcement to shun them, that's when it could be considered a hate crime.

Which is probably why they are saying it's up to the individual to decide whether they will shun the individual or not ,but as usual they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.

A crime, eh? It doesn't matter if they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. When a group has a rule against ex-members, the only way it's enforced is through the current members. The active members either believe it's the right choice to shun former members, Or they don't but do it anyway because they agree their agency should be outsourced. No matter what, bringing the state into this sets a horrible precident for all sorts of unintended consequences. Try to think outside of the JW-hurt-bubble to what it means more generically.

Trying to outlaw “shunning” would allow the government to intrude into more than just religion. Many groups rightfully choose to ostracize disruptive individuals, from friend circles choosing to ignore manipulative and drama-causing individuals, to clubs and organizations disinviting individuals trying to subvert those organizations for their own ends, to religions removing individuals attempting to proselytize a different religion from within their own ranks. Such a law would effectively allow a government to control who people can choose to associate with.

But I get it - religious shunning is top tier assholery. Shunning can be horrible and cruel. But you simply can't make a law prohibiting people from being assholes.

Also, you are removing all of the agency from the current members - people who have and continue to make astoundingly horrible moral choices. Don't let them off the hook by making them victims. They do have a choice.

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Is JW shunning a religious hate crime ?

by stan livedeath in

see the title.

MeanMrMustard

No.

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Any reason for my mother and I not to go back, this is one of them.

by Truth and Justice in

jw
friends

hi to all, i have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, i haven't missed a thing.

i have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than i have ever seen.

the thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good.

MeanMrMustard

If you hadn't found it elsewhere online almost word for word, as you put it, I would think that she used a large language model to generate the content. Maybe the original author did so.

LLMs have a way of just making stuff up.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

MeanMrMustard

It does not seem as if anyone is paying him for trips around the globe, or offering to fund another holiday. Could this be the beginning of the end?

No. That's what OF is for...

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U turn on LGBT

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

feb broadcast they have a drama about someone who works with a colleague who is gay.. they actually make it sound like the jws are the only ones who support him and is tolerant of him and everyone else is against him🤣.

after all these years they try gaslighting and saying we are the ones who are tolerant and everyone else is not!!!.

you couldn’t make this up.. after this monumental u turn now, what about all the gay people who were born in’s who have been shunned by their own family?.

MeanMrMustard

Clearly, all that the gays need to do is start attending meetings. Then they will realize how wrong they were and change....

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

MeanMrMustard

Just checking in on the thread, looking for an update to Lloyd's effort to gain mastery over his penis. Has he succeeded in any measure yet? Has he started his OF account yet?

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Why you need Christmas to understand Easter/Memorial

by Anony Mous in

so i went to a christmas evening candlelight service tonight and it hit me.

i was primarily doing christmas since leaving the jw for the children.

lots of people do it for family without really thinking of the relevance.

MeanMrMustard

Also - all that dry ancient middle eastern air. The God of the universe, after a hard day of being perfect, surely picked his nose a bit... I mean He must have cleaned house from time to time...

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Why you need Christmas to understand Easter/Memorial

by Anony Mous in

so i went to a christmas evening candlelight service tonight and it hit me.

i was primarily doing christmas since leaving the jw for the children.

lots of people do it for family without really thinking of the relevance.

MeanMrMustard

I would like to offer some ramblings too. As most Christians are Trinitarians, even some on this forum, and although I am not a theist, I always liked to imagine the Word of God, with all the fullness of God, contained within this shell, offering Himself as the ultimate sacrifice; And yet, being fully God, Jesus was also fully man. And since he was fully man, it's completely conceivable, nay probable, that within his short 33 years, at least once He didn't boil his water throughly, or perhaps had some undercooked passover lamb. Someone's innocent mistake sent the God of the universe into the privy for a night of painful diarrhea. Imagine looking up at the night sky at all the stars you created, simultaneously doubling down into uncontrolled bowel contractions.

The moral of the story : cook your food well.

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P Diddy list of names

by liam in

no wonder the left was furious when elon musk bought twitter.. someone leaked some of the names of the epstein files before they went public.

the complete list is still pending.

doesn't matter if it's the governing body, celebrities, politicians, theoretical physicist, cosmologist, the royal family, and more, are just ordinary humans who lust for sexual ..............!!!!!.

MeanMrMustard

I don't really care about Hunter. I wish he would have fought the gun charge up to the Supreme Court. I don't think a gun form should require you to self-incriminate.

But speaking of the 5th... now that Hunter is pardoned for everything in the last 10 years, I don't see how he could refuse to talk if summoned to Congress. Nothing he says can result in criminal charges. And again, I wouldn't be interested in Hunter. I'm more interested in how he funneled money from the tax payers to "The Big Guy" ...

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Scam Marketing !

by Phizzy in

we are constantly being attacked by scam marketers who create a perceived need , not a real one, and hence create within us a want.

if we fill our desire for that thing or things by buying in to it, we then end up with totally unnecessary expense.

we have been scammed.. whether that be something to do with the latest fashions and trends, the latest 'phone, car or something similar.. the longest running, and most lucrative marketing scam in all human history has been religion.

MeanMrMustard

Scams are fraudulent. If you see the latest iPhone and buy it, even if you don't "need" it, and the phone is exactly as what was advertised, then you were not scammed.

If you can't afford the new iPhone, and yet you bought one anyway, perhaps sacrificing against a food budget or a clothes budget or by going into debt, then that's an inability to delay gratification. It's a personal fault, and something to work on. But you weren't scammed.

Religion is more complicated. You could probably argue, with some success, that religion in general is not what's advertised. More so with the WT, I imagine.