Posts by MeanMrMustard

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

MeanMrMustard

@doasthouwilt - It still doesn't make sense. The fact pattern implies she is not being honest with you and not being honest with herself.

Also, any attempt to find a way around this is futile. There is absolutely no possible way, none, zero, zip, goose-egg, nada, that you will quote a scripture, a policy, whatever - to prevent a judicial committee from being formed and DFing your significant other. You will never - NEVER - out-legal the WTB&TS, EVER! Given the fact pattern, it's done.

But also, given the fact pattern, she shouldn't even be trying to stay. Before you spoke of wisdom. I assumed she was an impulsive 20 year old, manipulating her way into your resources, going back to the WT when it made social or financial sense for her (no principles) because the current fact pattern is something you would expect a 20 year old to be exhibiting. That's why people think you are trolling. Not because it's "outrageous" or "upsetting". Rather, it's a tad unbelievable.

My only conclusion, if we grant you are 100% truthful, is that she is not being honest with you and not being honest with herself. And it may be the case that she intends to be honest with you, but she can't because she can't quite stop deceiving herself.

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

MeanMrMustard

I don't see how trolling has anything to do with my posting...

Ok, fair enough. Let me just say this- it wouldn't be the first time someone came here with wild stories just get a rise out of people. So, at least for me, I'm going to be skeptical.

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

MeanMrMustard

Yes, I did think I should add that, to paint a better picture.

Ok.

You misunderstood what I meant by 'for reasons unrelated'. The reason she was DF'd was in no way related to the moving in with her BF - that move-in happened afterward, she was DF'd for a vice.

Oh ok. So she's a smoker... or liked a little pot here and there?

Her last marriage lasted just shy of 30 years (far more than 4) and she's been interested in no one else since, which has been nearly a decade, until I came along and decided it was high-time that I did get together with one of the dearest and closest people to me - that's a reality we share and very much agree on.

Ohhhhkkkk. So that changes the dynamic quite a bit. So she's been married (basically) 30 years. You said in your very first sentence she is your close friend for over 30 years ("30+"), but your girlfriend for about 1.5 years, and she has not been interested in anyone for about a decade after her previous marriage (last paragraph). Assuming she got married young, that puts her about 60 years old, and you've been her close friend from about age 30 (around 10 years into her previous marriage) when she wasn't a JW because she was DFed for "a vice". We're you also a close and dear friend with her previous husband?

But just to be clear, we're dealing with a 60+ year old woman, and I assume you are around the same age, a full time pioneer, living with a worldly man, having great sex. In fact you go on to say that "she truly IS a 'naughty', worldly girl, and excels at it".

This doesnt make sense - you keep talking about imposed beliefs. Either she believes it HERSELF or not. There nobody pointing a gun at her head. She could leave tomorrow, a simple choice. And yet if she really believes the JW ideology, her concern would not be to figure out a way to dodge consequences. She would run to the elders and away from you.

So what gives?

No, she was specifically scared back into it. I have, through the years, talked to her about it, about why she persists in it. Fear is a giant factor.

Fear of what? It doesn't seem to be anything the religion is teaching... and you say: "...in all the years I've known her - not in the least, she is incredibly social and surrounded." So it not social fear.

In short: She's going to be DFed. No way to avoid it, except to live a lie and hide for rest of her life. But she shouldn't care, based on what you've said. She should just throw up her hands and leave.

But she does care. So she's living a lie anyway, except with you. Either you are trolling us, or she is trolling you.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

MeanMrMustard

Ahh crap.. Ziva2010 and DouglasKMurray... you'll have to be added to the...

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

MeanMrMustard

Holy forking red flags, Batman!

I should add ...

Yeah, you think?

...that she had been disfellowshipped* once many years ago, for reasons unrelated to being unequally yoked, sex or the like. She moved in with her BF of the time shortly thereafter and went on to marry him - they had a child and were together for many years.

Odd. Sure sounds like the same thing...

Sometime between the marriage and subsequent divorce...

Just imagine the probability that some other guy, four years from now, wanders onto this site wondering how to marry this great JW girl - except this time you are the ex. Imagine that probability being north of 60% at this point ...

... she decided she was repentant and was refellowshipped (?). I believe she was scared back into it due to 9/11, or so a mutual friend told me.

Orrrrrr, she had used all her previous human capital and wandered back for fellowship and socialization. Now she's got you, so she's ready to give it all another shot.

Simon is right - she needs to make a choice, and stop the bull shit. She also shouldn't be using you for that. It is a simple choice - it really is. And she should level with you. I know she hasn't because you are here posting what you are posting... or you are a troll.

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

MeanMrMustard

Good luck. You're involved with a person who won't leave their religion but sneaks around and breaks the most ardent rule that the religion has.

Exactly. I would think this is the bigger issue. My guess is she doesn't really want to be in this religion, she is heavily PIMO, and has a bunch of social structures holding her there.

doasthouwilt: Either she's lying to you, or she's lying to them. Long term, she should be honest.

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Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

by doasthouwilt in

i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

MeanMrMustard

Here is a better question : Does she really believe this stuff? She is living with a worldly man, having sex often. Yet, she is a pioneer and wants to stay one?

There is a serious disconnect here. Perhaps the goal shouldn't be to minimize punishment. Perhaps the goal should be a break with the religion, after on honest reflection on what she really thinks.

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Is ACTIVISM destroying Christianity itself?

by Terry in

jw
friends

in this video (i watched this morning when i woke up) i suddenly discovered something i was only slightly aware ofwhich is bedeviling mainstream christianity and that a different kind of activism is at work.a different sort of "religious" movement than the one ex-jw's engage in.i'd like to get your thoughts on this.

i'm still thinking about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gviljk-fnn0&t=616s.

MeanMrMustard

It absolutely is working its way into everything.@Terry - have you seen James Lindsey's recent series on this? I wanted to post it. It's long, but you see where this is all coming from.

I created the thread here : https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5660075640225792/latest-series-on-crt

There are some thoughts about how it's gotten into the Southern Baptist church. But i do admit that you need to sink some time into the videos. But if you don't have anything better to do and want to know more about it, it's a great series.

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Am I Expected to Become One of Jehovah’s Witnesses if I Study the Bible With Them?

by Ron.W. in

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MeanMrMustard

Fixed for the tour I type of emotional manipulation that's really there:

No, you are not obligated in any way. The purpose of the program is to show you what the Bible teaches. It just so happens that we'll show you the Bible teaches that you should be a JW. What you decide to do with that knowledge is up to you. You are under no obligation to be a good person. If you want to die a horrible death because you are morally empty, well, faith is a personal matter.

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Olin Moyle's letter to Judge Rutherford

by GabeAthouse in

jw
friends

olin moyle was an attorney who was invited to bethel headquarters back in the 1930's to assist with legal cases at that time.

he became disillusioned with the culture at the headquarters and penned the following letter of resignation.

rutherford replied with an outrageous article in the watchtower provoking moyle to sue.

MeanMrMustard

Seems like if we wanted to summarize:

-----‐---------------------

Dear Brother Rutherford,

You're generally an asshole. You use foul language as part of your assholery. You also drink too much. Therfore, I quit.

Xoxo,

Moyle

P.S. - If you want to reach me concerning these matters, don't. I'm on vacation, and I don't want to deal with assholes while on vacation.