Are you free if someone else makes a decision for you? If by going against the grain will garner the very same action towards yourself are you truly free?
Freedom doesn't mean a lack of all obstacles and consequences.
MeanMrMustard
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Where I think Government can get involved is when the Cult demands the shunning of family members.
What's the limiting factor here? And if it does get involved, is the stage set for some pretty bad unintended consequences? Is there, on net, more harm than good?This results in breaking up family networks and has a detrimental effect on Society. A family network is a positive for our society.
True, but I can think of several political ideologies that are bad for families, some explicitly set out to destroy families. Perhaps we can sue those organizations for holding such beliefs.When Cults wreck this family arrangement often the outcast members become a burden on Society
As if there sits a shiny, strong, cohesive family, and this religion (an external force) comes around and wrecks it? No, the family is made up of people, each with a choice. The hard pill to swallow, IMHO, That's the hard pill to swallow - the realization that your family doesn't actually love you like you thought they did. "Oh no, its the organization! Because my family would never do such a thing on the own." Yes they would. They do all the time. It sucks. The DFed shouldn't let them of the hook so easily.
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I see you have made several threads and posts on ‘Shunning’ so I assume this has hurt you deeply and for that I’m sorry.
Yeah, we can all agree on that.
@Yomama: We agree that the practice clearly and completely fits into the category of "assholery". But family members do have a choice. It's true that the WT is telling them that the right thing to do (in God's eyes) is to shun. Their conscience is telling them otherwise, and they have the moral agency at that point.
I think what causes the most hurt is that the DFed know this, and it's terrible to come to terms with the fact that one's own family are doing the wrong thing. All the relationships, all the nurturing that occurred during childhood, all the good times - "Why is my family doing this? They are good people! The religion is forcing them!" Yeah, that's a tough one for sure. But they are doing it, they are choosing a publishing company over you. It's on them.
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Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning
by Yomama inby patrick haeck any comments on article?.
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Comments:
There is a confusion between "rights" and government granted "entitlements".
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Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning
by Yomama inby patrick haeck any comments on article?.
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Congratulations US team, you played yourself..
by MeanMrMustard in.. so said one of the comments on the latest video from nate the lawyer:.
https://youtu.be/_f_sehu3674.
it is an interesting case of why "equal pay" isn't quite what you think it is.
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...olympic pole dancing...
Pffft, ha ha. Right. They would be the most watched, highest paid women in the world of sports. The men's pole dancing team would have some, but not nearly the amount, of popularity. Then maybe the men can sue for equal pay for "equal work". They could say stuff like, "We have to work 10 times as many poles as the women.."
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Congratulations US team, you played yourself..
by MeanMrMustard in.. so said one of the comments on the latest video from nate the lawyer:.
https://youtu.be/_f_sehu3674.
it is an interesting case of why "equal pay" isn't quite what you think it is.
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Well, they're back. The women's US soccer team isn't giving up. After losing their previous case, the US Soccer Federation decided to offer the women the EXACT same contract as the men, word-for-word. They turned it down. They've since accepted a renewed contract, and now they are back in court suing that the contract they just accepted is discriminatory and unequal.
Congats US team - you continue to play yourself.
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CDC Admits 40% of Covid Hospitalizations Are ‘Non-Covid Patients’
by pistolpete incdc director, rochelle walensky said on fox news on sunday that "up to 40 percent" of patients had been admitted to hospitals with another medical emergency but had been later detected as having covid.. when asked by fox news anchor bret baier if there was a breakdown of how many of the 836,000 deaths in the u.s. were "from covid" or "with covid," walensky gave a non-committal answer.. it’s possible that 80% of covid deaths were not actually deaths as a result of covid but the result of car accident, gun shot, accident, obesity, heart problems, etc.. the reason why hospitals were reporting all admissions as covid was because they were getting paid by medicare for every covid patient, every person on a respirator, and so on.. finally even cnn is admitting that world wide covid deaths may be as low as 20% world wide, mostly elderly and those with medical problems, but admitted that it's difficult for the rest of the world to admit that it was all a con.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfpru58s1dg.
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I would also like to know how they are defining "hospitalizations". Let's say someone gets COVID, maybe a kid, and the kid is in no real danger, but the kid's parents are scared and rush to the hospital. The kid is "admitted", checked out, and told to go home and play video games for the next two weeks.
Meanwhile, it counts as a "hospitalization".
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So you dodged the question answer question if you cant answer its ok ckeck mate
Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean the question wasn't answered.
If a government were to attempt to cause me to shun my family by imposing a fine, I would not shun. As others have pointed out, it's a false analogy. My point was that even if we grant the conditions of your scenario, it does not remove moral agency. You seem to be saying that moral agency can only attach under perfect conditions, with no consequences.
Look, it sucks if your family shuns. But that's on them.