whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
John McCain died Saturday 9/25 at the age of 81.
John McCain requests...for a lack of a better word...that a restraining order be placed on Donald Trump from attending his funeral...Wow!
...okay maybe 'restraining order' is a bit extreme...but news outlets are saying he did tell many a close friend to keep him the hell away!
Even when facing death, it is amazing what envy can cause a man to do.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
What about the former FEC chairman? The FEC doesn't prosecute criminal cases do they? The absolute most the FEC can do is impose fines. They don't charge people with crimes. And they don't put people in jail.
Irrelevant. They are responsible for defining the important terms - like what constitutes a campaign contribution.
This is like quoting the head of the DMV as saying, "There's nothing in the DMV hand book about not running over your spouse with your car." - that doesn't mean that 1st or 2nd degree murder with a vehicle is suddenly okay.
lol, did you just compare the Federal Election Commision to the DMV?
If you want to sit at the table with the adults you need to bring legal and logical arguments to the discussion. Not half quotes from sources who are NOT authorities on the topic.
Good lord. Yeah FEC former chairman ... not authorative on campaign finance. Riiiggghttt.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
Instead of addressing any of the real and mounting legal incriminations against Trump - his supporters instead whine like little kids saying "you just don't want Donald Trump to be President".
Rrrriiight... so given the above statement, I assume you didn’t read any of the actual arguments and sources cited.
Rather than addressing the facts - they instead choose to disparage peoples motives. It's the classic McCarthy tactic of accusing your critics of doing exactly the thing your guilty of.
Ummmmkay.... so what about the former FEC chairman? What about the logical arguments? Are you actually reading through any of these posts?
The truth is Trumpsters "just like Donald Trump" and are willing to brush off all his unethical and illegal wrong doings. Trumpsters just want Trump to be President no matter what - our laws and institutions be damned.
It’s like your head lives in opposite land. We have been making legal and logical arguments from authoritative sources.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
Had Trump paid the money out of pocket AND reported it - than there be very little legal exposure.
No, you still haven’t listened to the FEC chairman, have you? It is NOT in the category of campaign expenditure. You can pay someone off through a lawyer, shell company, while riding a pony, or even grabbing pussy... or, admittedly more challenging, all of the above.
You can even pay the lawyer more for his services of funneling the money. None of that is illegal. It was Trump’s money and he can funnel it however he wants.
The invoices were a “sham”. So? It is not a crime.
BILLED TO THE CAMPAIGN.
Source please. Every source I read, even CNN says Cohen invoices “Trump’s corporation.”
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
@darth frosty:
Your argument was esoterically complete and compelling. I have rethought my very conception of reality.
Touché darth... Touché.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
Cheat-0 has went from "I don't know dem whores" to "yeah.....I paid for pu$$y. It's OK cause I used my own money."
I don’t think that is accurate. He still denies ever having the affairs. And legally, paying someone to hush up doesn’t imply the incidents occurred, just that you want the person to go away, even if they are liars.
But if I had to put a probability on whether he actaually had the affairs, I would say high... 90%.
Cheat-0 has also vacillates between "there is no collusion" to "so what if I did......it's not a crime"
So? This isn’t a bad thing. In fact, it happens in debates and arguments all the time, and it’s a valid line of reasoning. You assume your opponent’s point is true and ask if that actually implies the conclusion they claim it implies.
In other words, let’s grant for a moment that there was “collusion” what does that imply? Does it imply a crime? No.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
He doesn’t need to go under oath. Did you listen to the former FEC chairman? You can spend money to help your campaign without it being a campaign expenditure. It all depends on whether there is even a chance the purchase could be for other reasons. Oh, and it helps if you spend you own money - which Trump did in this case. He could do it in cash, by check, by bitcoin, through a corporation, through a lawyer. It doesnt matter.
It has been documented that this has been a topic with Stormy for years prior to the election.
I know Cohen said what he said - it doesn’t matter. He can testify under oath that the sky is red. Does it make the sky red?
Listen to the recording again, unless you never listened to it the first time.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
It's very clear. Trump instructed Cohen to pay off the porn stars and set up a shell companies to do it. We have Cohen pleading guilty to it. And we have the conversation recorded ON TAPE.
Trump is a crook. He needs to be behind bars. Not in the White House.
*sigh* Like I said earlier: You should wait and see if it is hysteria. And it appears to be that way.
When Trump fired Comey, all the news outlets were screaming it was obstruction of justice. They had him, dead to rights, and it was all over. Soon Trump would be gone, 100% guaranteed. Then someone had to break it to them that it wasn’t a crime.
Looks like history really does repeat itself.
Here is the former chairman of the FEC, that is Federal Election Commission. Here you go:
In short - it’s not a crime to pay off porn stars, even through shell corporations. Further, it’s not a campaign contribution because it didn’t have the purpose of being used solely for the campaign. Further, it was his money, which has no limit, even if it was a campain contribution. That’s easy to prove because they have been trying to get Stormy to do this for years.
Again, don’t take it from me, and don’t give me BS that it’s grasping at straws - this was the FEC chairman for five years.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
@Coded Logic: That’s the point - it’s not as clear as you think. You are jumping the gun like you always do. You are too caught up in the CNN circle-jerk to stop and think.
whether you like him or not.... it doesn’t matter.
do you think he will be impeached?
?.
Cohen entered a guilty plea, with no obligation to cooperate further. He’s done as far as I can tell. There is no conviction, he plead guilty to a whole bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with Trump (surprise!) and one charge of going over campaign finance limits for personal donations, and illegal contributions through a corporation - which I assume is him submitting invoices to Trump’s corporation for reembuersement after paying off the two ladies.
The devil is in the details. Cohen is on record saying he Trump didn’t have any involvement. Now he’s on record saying Trump had “knowledge” of the payments, which BTW isn’t illegal as far as I can tell. It’s the reembuersement. It’s going to be hell making that stick. The prosecutor characterized him as being utterly dishonest. Testimony from him is worthless.
*sigh*... look, as a matter of just plain historical strategy, you might want to hold off for a few days. We’ve been here before about 100 times. You know, the we-have-him-now moment that evaporates like a fart in the wind.
Also note: if this is how they are going to go after him, it’s exactly like I thought. Nothing to do with Russia, “collusion” or anything close.
