Posts by Vanderhoven7

I was interested in your response. I just questioned a Witness about a statement he made regarding other Christians besides the anointed existing between 33 AD and 1900 A.D.? His response was that there could well be millions of faithful Christians. I challenged that with the reference you provided

"For 19 centuries there was only the one calling, the heavenly one, with Jehovah being very selective as to who would serve with his Son to make up the Kingdom government. Many would be invited but only a precious few chosen. (Matthew 22:2, 14) (The Watchtower February 15, 1982 p. 30 emphasis mine)

He gave the following response.

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AnotherPaul Answers:

Humm, yes it was the only "calling" but that does not eliminate the vast majority from making up another group. Remember it is not a persons choice here, but God's as to who he "chooses"

(1 Thessalonians 1:4) 4 For we know, brothers loved by God, his choosing of YOU,

(2 Peter 1:10) 10 For this reason, brothers, all the more do YOUR utmost to make the calling and choosing of YOU sure for yourselves; for if YOU keep on doing these things YOU will by no means ever fail.

We only speak of the 144,000 anointed or chosen one, and then the other sheep who as a class were only identifiable in the last century.

However there have been millions if not billions who claim to be Christians. They were faithful to what they were taught that meant. How many, who knows. An example.

Sweden was pagan until about the 10th or 11th century. Then the kings made a decision to accept Christianity and many of their followers changed also. They learned Catholicism and obeyed the laws and precepts while expressing a belief and faith in Christ. Were they really Christian? if not what were they? However if the believed the Pope was Christ's vicar on earth, believed in burning a candle for their sins, indulgences, purgatory, etc were they Faithful Christians, Born Again and part of that class? Nope, many simply went along, putting the trust in their priests and did not look beyond that as where would they look?

Born Again, no, pagan, no, Christians, yes, to the extent they could be. That is why the Bible speaks of a resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous TO EARTH. Note Rev 22 speaks of the healing of those Nations, something not necessary for those in the first resurrection.

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At this point I'm wondering whether or not, another non-anointed but approved group during this period is official WTS teachinhg.

Vander

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When did the "other sheep" class begin to form?

by Vanderhoven7 in

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is there anything in wts literature as to which century the alleged non-anointed class of the wts began to form?.

i thought it was early on in the 20th century.. am i wrong?.

vander.

Vanderhoven7

Wow. Thanks for the clear responses. I'm about to use the evidence provided in the url below to counter what appears to be intentional JW deception (war strategy). I'm calling on this seasoned JW to substantiate his statements denying that there were less that 150,000 faithful Christians who existed prior to the 20th Century.

Thanks again....and thanks for those quotes Leolaia

Please feel free to chip in at:

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When did the "other sheep" class begin to form?

by Vanderhoven7 in

jw
friends

is there anything in wts literature as to which century the alleged non-anointed class of the wts began to form?.

i thought it was early on in the 20th century.. am i wrong?.

vander.

Vanderhoven7

Is there anything in WTS literature as to which century the alleged non-anointed class of the WTS began to form?

I thought it was early on in the 20th century.

Am I wrong?

Vander

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IS THE GOVERNING BODY NOW THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?

by Vanderhoven7 in

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friends

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i know the anointed never get consulted.

but is it true that the governing body has modified the definition of the faithful and discreet slave to exclusively apply to themselves and to not include the thousands of other anointed..

Vanderhoven7

Someone on "Friends of Jehovah's Witnesses" wrote an article about the alleged change in definition of the F&DS. Glad I checked here before putting my foot in my mouth authoritatively. Thanks!

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IS THE GOVERNING BODY NOW THE FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE?

by Vanderhoven7 in

jw
friends

.

i know the anointed never get consulted.

but is it true that the governing body has modified the definition of the faithful and discreet slave to exclusively apply to themselves and to not include the thousands of other anointed..

Vanderhoven7

I know the anointed never get consulted. But is it true that the Governing Body has modified the definition of the Faithful and Discreet Slave to exclusively apply to themselves and to not include the thousands of other anointed.

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my story, would like some advice

by deservingone26 in

im looking for some advice.. so i grew up as a witness was baptized when i was seventeen, which by the way i was pushed into baptizm cuse my parents kept asking me when i was and threatned to not buy me a car if i didnt get baptized.

since it was never in my heart i was never very dedicated and was disfellowshipped by nineteen i started the process of coming back but after bout four months i moved out.

i started partying alot mainly with my other disfellowshipped friends and nonactive jw frien, we were drinking alot and smoking weed but soon i started feeling the need to go back so i started up at the meetings but i got bored and went back to my old ways, this has been what i have been doing for the last five years, partying getting drunk and drugs and then stopping and going back to the meetings for a couple months, the same process for last the last almost five years.

Vanderhoven7

Hi Deserving,

I've got good news for you. Jesus loves you. He went to Calvary for you. He knows everything about you, every failure, every flaw...and even your strengths. There is nothing about you that He does not know and there is nothing you have ever done or said that He is not longing to forgive you for. His arms are still open, as wide as they were on the cross, waiting to receive you and rejoice over you with hilarity.

You are troubled. Jesus says, Come unto me...and I will give you rest. He is your Shepherd. He doesn't care which church you belong to or belonged to. He loves you and wants to know if you will love Him back. He is ready to recieve you and restore what has been taken away.

That my friend is Christianity and everything else is just religion.

Vander