"Jehovah's Witnesses aren't mention in his book"
" yes, they are mentioned in his book,
might be good to read the book yourself."
I've read different parts dealing with Pascal's Wager and homosexuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_god_delusion.
the god delusion is a 2006 bestselling non-fiction book by british biologist richard dawkins, professorial fellow of new college, oxford, and inaugural holder of the charles simonyi chair for the public understanding of science at the university of oxford.. .
in the god delusion, dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence.
"Jehovah's Witnesses aren't mention in his book"
" yes, they are mentioned in his book,
might be good to read the book yourself."
I've read different parts dealing with Pascal's Wager and homosexuality.
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
" You will need a much better Education,to debate most of the people here.."
Eduction? Feel free to join me on msdn.microsoft.com as I do contribute something to society in the way of literary output plus 10 years experience in complex software solutions design, development, and delivery. What do you do?
Leolaia posts intelligent comments and there are others...(not naming any names) and then are those that must be on hydroponic weed, mushrooms or didn't graduate from the third grade.
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
palmtree67, I didn't insult you. Most people I've seen as implicated as “not caring about God” simply say that God doesn't exist as Bigfoot doesn't exist. That's what I'm used to hearing. I'm used to participating on this forum where I'm treated much more respectfully:
http://www.chron.com/channel/houstonbelief/commons/persona.html?newspaperUserId=alice.in.wonderland
This forum is much, much different. How do you change these inane avatars?
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
" Like palmtree said, prove it. Doesn't all of this boil down to this belief? Where's the proof to back up this assertion? Which leads me to a comment I made in reference to "God's true ogranization" on another of your threads: The belief that God must have one true organization on Earth is only an assumption. Taking other people's assumptions as facts makes you a fool and sets you up to be manipulated. Taking your own assumptions as facts makes you willfully ignorant. What do you say for yourself on my questions and statements?"
If someone is a sincere truth seeker and they come in contact with the truth, once they're advanced to a certain point, they try and give testimony to others. At that point it's only an assumption. It only makes sense for those that discovered universal truth to share this with others and unite in an organized manner.
This is the general stance of most atheists because of their religious exposure to Christendom's churches:
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-Religion.aspx
Most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods. Some religions posit a personal god (or gods); others believe in impersonal supernatural forces. (See George Walsh, The Role of Religion in History, chapter 1.) Objectivism rejects any notion of the supernatural as incompatible with the objectivity and regularity of nature as identified by reason. There is no credible evidence of miracles, magic, or other supernatural phenomena in nature.
The dominant forms of religion in our culture posit a personal god, a Supreme Being, who created the world, is omnipotent and omniscient, imposes moral duties on man, and expects worship. Those who accept this idea have the burden of showing why such a hypothesis is necessary. In this regard, Objectivists are atheists because the arguments for the existence of such a being are not sound. Objectivists reject the existence of God for the same reason they reject the existence of elves, leprechauns, and unicorns: because there is no credible evidence of such beings.
The biggest obstacle to most of the proof/ evidence (science based) atheists or agnostics is they haven't observed or experienced any intervention from God in society or in their personal life so they're left with a lot of unanswered questions. This is not the case in Jehovah's Organization.
The truth of the matter, is God has a powerful method of revealing his existence to faithful men of old as well as his modern day human subjects:
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld. For by means of this the men of old times had witness borne to them. Hebrews 11:1-2
Whether someone chooses to investigate this themselves is entirely up to them.
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
"Again I ask.....
Can you tell us what is the WTS 'Truth'........"
You would have to tell me something about what you believe in the context of a supreme being for me to answer the question.
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
"Both posts are from you..
You have no problem insulting people..Or crying victim when it suits you..
Watchtower World produces Hypocrites.."
And what religion do you belong to OUTLAW or are you athiest of agnostic?
Don't tell me you're so mentally deficient and your head is so full of apostate junk you don't know...that's not an excuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_god_delusion.
the god delusion is a 2006 bestselling non-fiction book by british biologist richard dawkins, professorial fellow of new college, oxford, and inaugural holder of the charles simonyi chair for the public understanding of science at the university of oxford.. .
in the god delusion, dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion
The God Delusion is a 2006 bestselling non-fiction book by British biologist Richard Dawkins, professorial fellow of New College, Oxford, and inaugural holder of the Charles Simonyi Chair for the Public Understanding of Science at the University of Oxford.
In The God Delusion, Dawkins contends that a supernatural creator almost certainly does not exist and that belief in a personal god qualifies as a delusion, which he defines as a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. He is sympathetic to Robert Pirsig's observation in Lila that "when one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."
As of January 2010, the English version of The God Delusion had sold over 2 million copies. It was ranked #2 on the Amazon.com bestsellers' list in November 2006. In early December 2006, it reached #4 in the New York Times Hardcover Nonfiction Best Seller list after nine weeks on the list. It remained on the list for 51 weeks until 30 September 2007. The German version, entitled Der Gotteswahn, had sold over 260,000 copies as of January 28, 2010.
It has attracted widespread commentary, with many books written in response.
I notice many here give a great deal of honor this man Ray Franz. Some questions: What do you think of the atheist idol, Richard Dawkins? Jehovah's Witnesses aren't mention in his book or in Bill Maher's Religulous:
Another question: Why are Jehovah's Witnesses responsible for the God delusion since they didn't write the Bible? Or why is Jehovah's Witnesses version of mind-control is anymore sinister than the original inventors of Christianity?
http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/mind-control/mind-control-or-brainwashing.html
Mind Control or Brainwashing?
Understanding Mind Control Among Jehovah's Witnesses
I've heard more than one atheist on this forum and elsewhere use this label when addressing religion in general.
“The same kind of selfish, fearful mind that firmly believes millions of human beings deserve to go to hell for disagreeing with their doctrine. Mind control is a scary thing to witness.”
Especially since they put the doctrine of hellfire into physical practice:
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
"Alice,
Please, please....I'm begging you.....Just say what you want to say without all the excess verbiage and cut-and-pasting.
Now to the topic:
"Damage Control on Secret Societies".
Do you know how decisions are made in the Organization?
No, you don't. Because you ( very few, actually ) have never been invited to any Governing Body Sessions. And because you refuse to read anything from someone who HAS been there. If you weren't AFRAID to really investigate, you would find out that the last thing used to make decisions in a Governing Body Session is holy spirit.
( See how short, simple and easy to understand this post is? )"
I've also asked people to tell me what ever they want without all the insidious judgmental remarks, insults, name calling, profanity: all that does is indicate a person is intellectually bankrupt with little next zero to logic to back an argument. And someone has the nerve to call me a troll.
If a person has Jehovah's holy spirit they know the Governing Body (the administrative position) isn't corrupt because that's a fundamental channel God operates through. If you care less about God be honest and admit it. Reciting the twisted garbage you hear from liars like Ray Franz isn't going to help.
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
mrsjones5 I wasn't referring to you. I could pull up some highly offensive content that would be offensive to anyone (if it their religion). If historical facts about a religion offend some, history is what it is.
damage control on secret societies .
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19970601/article_01.htm .
satanic activities of secret societies.
“funny how 'alice' can cut and paste the public watchtower spin on the nazi's”
Feel free to cite your own opinion on the roots of anti-Semitism.
Christians - Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox - Were Paving the Road to Auschwitz Centuries Before the Nazis
1648-1649 Christians under the leadership of Bohdan Khelmnytsky rampaged through the towns and villages of Ukraine, Lithuania, Poland, Galicia, and White Russia, murdering and torturing an estimated 90,000-100,000 Jews, and destroying at least 100 Jewish communities. Dozens of synagogues are burned down. Jews are hanged from trees alongside pigs and dogs.
In this century, the churches continue to preach that the Jews are guilty of deicide and are still being punished by God by not having their own homeland, and by being deprived of citizenship in the countries where they live. Churches continue to present public Passion plays, in which Jews are portrayed as the bloodthirsty killers of Jesus.
The bogus saints Simon of Trent and Little Hugh of Norwich, bogus victims of cruel Jews, are still venerated. The filthy image of the Judensau still decorates churches and cathedrals. Pamphlets, broadsheets, and books continue to demonize Jews. Even though Jews have been mingling with non-Jews since ancient times, cartoons show them with stereotyped racial features, and as cruel and bloodthirsty.
Most towns still compel Jews to live in ghettos. Most countries still bar Jews from most professions. Most universities still forbid Jewish students. Some towns still compel Jews to wear a badge of infamy. Most countries still forbid Jews from holding public office. Most guilds of craftsmen and artisans still exclude Jews. A few governments begin to grant the Jews some civil rights, but even some of the more enlightened European writers who have broken with the Church, like Rousseau and Voltaire repeat the usual slanders against the Jews.
Unlike Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005433
Jehovah's Witnesses: Persecution 1870-1936
Initially, leaders of the Jehovah's Witnesses sought to find a way to work with the Nazi government. In October 1934, the leadership sent a letter to the Reich government, explaining the Witnesses' core beliefs and their commitment to political neutrality. The letter stated that Jehovah's Witnesses "have no interest in political affairs, but are wholly devoted to God's Kingdom under Christ His King." German authorities responded with economic and political harassment. Witnesses who continued to missionize or who refused to participate in Nazi organizations lost their jobs and their unemployment and social welfare benefits, or were arrested.
In response to Nazi efforts to destroy the group, Jehovah's Witnesses became an island of spiritual resistance to the Nazi demand for absolute German commitment to the state. The International Society of Jehovah's Witnesses fully and publicly supported the efforts of its brethren in Germany. At an international convention in Lucerne, Switzerland, in September 1936, Witness delegates from all over the world passed a resolution severely condemning the Nazi regime. The international organization also produced literature denouncing Nazi persecution of Jews, Communists, and Social Democrats, criticizing the remilitarization of Germany and the Nazification of its schools and universities, and attacking the Nazi assault on organized religion.
The moral hypocrisy, lies and cynicism from some here toward Jehovah's Witnesses are so low and perverse you'd probably deny the Holocaust like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if people would believe it.