i was browsing some ex-mormon forums and i noticed that many of the experiences sound similar.
people spoke about brain washing, viewing outsiders as being ignorant of the truth, im not sure if im allowed to copy and paste from other forums, if im not please let me know but here are a couple quotes from ex mormon forums:.
"something i very strongly believe, is that even though everything has crumbled to the ground for me right now, i wouldn't change the fact that i left the church for anything.
"alice in wonderland, or just the mad hatter?
-inkling"
I read information like the above information I posted years ago. It sounded very bizarre. To those who don't believe in Satan, you have to wonder where people get this stuff from. Some people are crazy, that's the only explanation. If the above were actually true, contact the FBI so they can launch a formal investigation.
approximately five weeks ago, i visited the local library and searched every book i could find that discusses the destruction of jerusalem in ancient times.
if you didn't see that thread, you can find it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/192813/1/607-b-c-e-a-trip-to-the-local-library-with-pictures.
the results were conclusive: all secular sources agree that jerusalem was destroyed in 587/586 bce.
"Where in the bible ( God's inspired word ) does it say that the FDSL will be given a calculable time of Christ return ?
The WTS exploits and manipulates the bible for its own assertive means curtailing of course around their published literature,
a great way to bring relevance and viability to their own writings . ......sorry didn't mean to over tell the truth !
The WTS feels it as the solemn right to go beyond what is written and not be in subjection to the words in the bible.
Of course it would be wrongfully presumptuous to say the writers of the bible embellished stories to
self sanctify themselves as spiritual seers since they were sinless perfect men."
There's nothing wrong with being definitive in studies of the Bible. You really shouldn't refer to disagreements of scriptural interpretation as “exploits and manipulates the bible for its own assertive means.” There's not a profit motive for any prophetic teachings the WTS brings to the attention of others. For whatever reason their teachings aren't for you. It's puzzling to me why anyone is bothered if others are happy being one of JW anymore than someone is happy playing golf.
i was browsing some ex-mormon forums and i noticed that many of the experiences sound similar.
people spoke about brain washing, viewing outsiders as being ignorant of the truth, im not sure if im allowed to copy and paste from other forums, if im not please let me know but here are a couple quotes from ex mormon forums:.
"something i very strongly believe, is that even though everything has crumbled to the ground for me right now, i wouldn't change the fact that i left the church for anything.
I received this information here along with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion from men in a black helicopter.
http://www.cephas-library.com/jw/jw_jw_lds_same_origin.html
The Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses are the Same Organization
Russell's family was formerly known as Roessel and went to Scotland from Germany. Of course, Germany is a massive occult centre, from which the Rothschilds emerged, and Scotland is one of the key areas of the world for Illuminati bloodlines. From the start, Charles Taze Russell used his new Watchtower Society, based at Bethel, Brooklyn, New York, as a front for black magic, or Enochian magic as his brand of Satanism was called. He put the flying Sun disk on the front of his books, an ancient Illuminati symbol going back to Egypt and Babylon. The Watchtower magazine has always been a mass of subliminal and less subliminal occult symbolism and the very name, Watchtower, is part of Illuminati and Freemasonic legend and code. To them watchtowers are areas of the "magical universe". The unseen realms. Russell was buried under a pyramid in the United States after being ritually killed on Halloween 1917. These leading Satanists of the Illuminati are ritually killed when their time comes in line with their obsession with ritual. To them, everything is ritual. Again and again the Jehovah's Witness church is named by survivors of trauma-based mind control as being involved in these unspeakable mind control projects.
The Mormons were also created as a front for Satanism and, like the Watchtower Society, Enochian magic.
approximately five weeks ago, i visited the local library and searched every book i could find that discusses the destruction of jerusalem in ancient times.
if you didn't see that thread, you can find it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/192813/1/607-b-c-e-a-trip-to-the-local-library-with-pictures.
the results were conclusive: all secular sources agree that jerusalem was destroyed in 587/586 bce.
This individual here is an elder that has conducted extensive study into New Babylonian chronology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Furuli
Rolf Johan Furuli (born 19 December 1942 is a lecturer in Semitic languages at the University of Oslo.
He is currently involved in translation of non-Christian religious texts, and is considered an expert in ancient languages. In 2005, he finished a doctoral thesis suggesting a new understanding of Classical Hebrew. This study has been privately published.
Furuli started his studies of New Babylonian chronology in 1984. Based on these studies, he has attempted to defend the view held by Jehovah's Witnesses—of which Furuli is a member—that Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians in 607 BC rather than 587 BC.
Alongside Norwegian, English and Hebrew, he is able to read Akkadian, Aramaic and Greek. He has written works about Bible translation and Biblical issues.
http://folk.uio.no/rolffu/Chronlgy.htm
The witness of the cuneiform tablets related to the New Babylonian kings will be thoroughly discussed in volume II. The astronomical evidence of this period is meager indeed, though specific, and it will be discussed in the light of the three criteria mentioned above. It is particularly important to come to grips with the astronomical diary VAT 4956. As of present I have reviewed data from about 7.000 business tablets from the New Babylonian Empire. There are so many tablets that are anomalous (from the point of view of the traditional chronology), that the whole scheme of P&D breaks down; each king seems to have ruled longer than P&D says. This material will be systemized and interpreted. An important question that will be scrutinized, is whether one whole Saros period of 18 years somehow was lost in the New Babylonian era in the theoretical Saros schemes that were used in the 2nd century B.C.E., to the effect that the New Babylonian dynasty of kings existed 18 years longer than P&D says. There are several original inscriptions from this period as well, some containing information that is contradicted by others. The result of a study of these will also be presented.
A word of caution
Ancient history cannot be proven, because there are no living informants. And any attempt to make a chronological scheme of the kings of ancient nations is tentative. The Oslo chronology does not claim to represent the final word of the matter, but it represents a new approach to chronology. It does not generally challenge the interpretations and datings of astronomical tablets by experts such as Sachs, Hunger, Watson, Steel, and Brack-Bernsen, but it asks about the origin and quality of the tablets in question, thus scrutinizing the connection between the dates and regnal years of real kings. Its advantage is that the cuneiform data are not seen through the glasses of the traditional chronology, but the evidence of each tablet is presented in its own right. It is also an advantage that published cuneiform sources are much more numerous and much more complete than was the case 50 years ago when Parker and Dubberstein did their work. The real importance of the Oslo chronology, therefore, is not that it has established "the only true chronology", but that it has demonstrated that neither the accepted chronology which is based on P&D is "the only true chronology" .
The early Bible students made an objective decision about the 1914 prophecy based on the best information that was at their disposal. There's solid archeology that confirms 537 as the date of the Jew's release from Babylonian captivity. The grand theme of the Bible does not revolve around the 1914 prophesy, nor does tentative history disprove God's inspired word and its harmonious theme. There's a bigger picture to be considered.
here on jehovahs-witness.net i have come across theists, atheists and those that are agnostic that all claim to be friends because they're ex-witnesses like it is all that is needed for religious unity.. .
why isn't this on the ad?.
because every atheist i've talked to believes jehovah's witnesses are just another organization of stupid adults with imaginary friends, just a splinter of mainstream christianity a lot like the branch davidians.
To those who condemn Jehovah's Witnesses for “shunning” and then condemn them for not shunning, you can't have it both ways. This is just another attempt to dehumanize a person and make them harshly judgmental and robotic. JWs are not robots that “obey orders.” They also are influenced by human emotions, whether good or bad.
here on jehovahs-witness.net i have come across theists, atheists and those that are agnostic that all claim to be friends because they're ex-witnesses like it is all that is needed for religious unity.. .
why isn't this on the ad?.
because every atheist i've talked to believes jehovah's witnesses are just another organization of stupid adults with imaginary friends, just a splinter of mainstream christianity a lot like the branch davidians.
"Then what are you doing here, sweetcheeks?"
Talking to a human being. What's wrong with that?
here on jehovahs-witness.net i have come across theists, atheists and those that are agnostic that all claim to be friends because they're ex-witnesses like it is all that is needed for religious unity.. .
why isn't this on the ad?.
because every atheist i've talked to believes jehovah's witnesses are just another organization of stupid adults with imaginary friends, just a splinter of mainstream christianity a lot like the branch davidians.
"Well, any respect I gained for ya Alice by your apology to Palmtree is now gone. You truly are an idiot! And the thing is, you keep bringing it on yourself. Wow...just....wow.
You can trash the name of the organization I hold in high-esteem but I can't challenge the integrity of your motives? In the real world “you're an idiot” isn't a valid response. Try again....or don't.
here on jehovahs-witness.net i have come across theists, atheists and those that are agnostic that all claim to be friends because they're ex-witnesses like it is all that is needed for religious unity.. .
why isn't this on the ad?.
because every atheist i've talked to believes jehovah's witnesses are just another organization of stupid adults with imaginary friends, just a splinter of mainstream christianity a lot like the branch davidians.
" I was feeling left out. I can't believe I read all 11 pages and I still don't know what the point of this thread is. I think Alice is Renaii in disguise. Now I can move on to something else."
There's 11 pages because this thread as do many of my threads get hijacked with a lot of non-related gibberish. The point of the thread was mainly an analysis of the mindset of people like Barbara Anderson, people that go to great lengths and campaign against Jehovah's Witnesses when there's no practical purpose for doing so. If you compare someone like her to others that left a religion because of “corruption,” concrete evidence can be presented that greater corruption is found and has always existed in all religions. Like I said, most ex-religionists are atheist or agnostic. Some are deists. Upon exiting the falsities and fantasies in the world of religion, most simply participate in an organization like this if any:
Americans United for Separation of Church and State
They never just focus on the religion they left. People like Barbara Anderson have something seriously wrong with them as Jehovah's Witnesses don't even try and influence politics. Very few people read apostate literature and apostates don't penetrate the mind of true Christians even if they do read their literature. It is mainly just ex-Jehovah's Witnesses that read it. It serves no purpose nor is there any reward in campaigning against Jehovah's Witnesses. It's like watching a dog try and catch its own tail. It's a waste.
are you barely on the scale or are you a hardcore "apostate"?.
How about this one:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/rush/freewill_20119963.html
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill.
are you barely on the scale or are you a hardcore "apostate"?.
"thats a rush album cover or it was in a rush album inside jacket I think>>>"
I remember that album now.
My bad.
