Yes, even if someone simply views the page and moves on, their IP, operating system, and browser are all added to the log. It's virtually impossible to tell who is who this way, but the point I was making is for the people who reply to the thread. I'm sure there are quite a few people here who wonder in amazement over that little IP address mash of letters and numbers to the left. Some people(read: WTS) could use that IP address to narrow down the location of "apostates" that are still active in the org, such as elders. Once they get the city or small town where the IP address is geographically located, they can work out the clues from there. Go back through the posts(Minimus' ?) and find out what kind of car they drive, if they have pets, married or not, amount of kids, etc etc etc. Once they have a fairly good dossier compiled, they might think about presenting this info to the city overseer or CO. If any of the info rings a bell to them, they can start the questioning. It may sound far fetched, but it is quite possible and reasonable sound. If it were me working at Bethel trying to find people, this is how I would do it.
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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I can tell you that the majority of the ISP are using NAT and you cant go further than knowing someone ISP provider
Not exactly. NAT is merely a break point between the public IP address space and the private IP address space. Virtually all ISP's assign a public IP address(accessible from anywhere in the world) to its dialup/dsl/cable users. Places where you would likely receive a private IP address is a "wireless hotspot," such as in a coffee shop Also, if you are using a Linksys router off of your cable modem, you are using NAT. Instead of your personal PC acquiring the public IP address that your cable internet provider gives to you, your router is assigned it instead. Your router then uses NAT to transfer back and forth the info you request from the web to your PC which is located in the private IP address space. The majority of home routers use the 192.168.X.X space for all of your PCs. If you surf from multiple computers that connect to the same router, you will notice that your "IP address" on JWD remains the same. This is NAT working. Even though your IP addresses are different between computers on the LAN side of your router's network, the public IP address that is assigned to the router remains the same. This is what the world "sees."
For the folks who wanted to know how this tracking works, I'll go ahead and give you the rundown again. First off, get yourself a webserver that you can view the logs on(run it off your home pc - that's the easiest). Full detailed logs are needed(if you use apache, just alter the conf file to allow full logs). Throw up a small transparent .gif file. The one I use is only 1x1 pixels and is 58 bytes in size. Insert the url of this transparent .gif into a post as a picture. The only way someone will be able to see this .gif is by looking at the html source for the page. Otherwise, it is completely invisible. Now, when someone replies to the thread or to your post, a log entry is added to your webserver that shows their public IP address, the url they are replying or posting to, their operating system, and web browser along with a timestamp at the front. You simply correlate the timestamp to a reply. In the logs, most posts will even show up as a "post" or "reply." It's all quite simple to do. I wrote about this a while ago but I don't think anyone took me seriously. Probably because you have a 50/50 split of people who say it cannot be done and the other half saying, "can you?" Of course, there are the very few who know it can be done but may not be saying anything to keep it a secret.
Want to know what that little transparent .gif file looks like? It's right here --->
That's it! Nothing too technical at all.
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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I have a tracker on Myspace, that gives me all that info also, so it can be done!
Of course it can. I just wanted folks to know that it can be done here as well. Not only can you 'tag' everyone who reads the threads, you CAN also figure out which IP addresses belong to which posters. For anyone who says it's bunk, you're not doing anyone any favors.
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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Ok JH. Let everyone know if I was close or not.
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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I can't believe people are buying this stuff.
He is obviously yanking yer chain.
Is that so Slim? How's the weather in or around Glasgow, Scotland? Is BT Central Plus working out well for you as an ISP?
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WT monitors sites?
by Gordy inthere was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the wt monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.. unfortunately i couldn't find it to add this to it.
i remembered a jw who worked on installing computers at london bethel, some time ago telling me that the wt did monitor websites.
this jw is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.
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There is no (easy automated) way, if someone has embedded an ip-tracking image in this page say, to tell who is a poster and who is just reading the page, and it's certainly not possible to tell that skeptic2 is this ip address and so-and-so is that ip address.
Umm, that's incorrect. Would you like me to start a thread to prove it? A while back, I showed in a thread that it is entirely possible to track a particular person's IP address. In fact, reply to this post and I'll give you your IP address in a PM.
It is disingenuous to say that someone cannot be tracked on this board. It is a fact that they can. Most posters could even be narrowed down to a specific city in which they live via their IP address. If that scares some people, then you need to look into using a proxy to surf this site.
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The Society Says...
by drew sagan inreading another thread reminded me of this time long ago before i was ever baptized.
during a book study the conductor (who was the p.o.
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Not only that, but even the WT is elevated above the Awake in terms of spiritual food. My mother once told me after I referred her to an Awake on something-or-other, that the Awake is more or less reserved for worldly people to get an overall grasp on the jw's and that it is not meant to distribute the real hard hitting doctrines that we know of today. So basically in a nutshell, if a particular doctrine is addressed in the Awake, just ignore it. The real meaning will appear in a WT instead.
Oh, and you can ignore what the bible says on the matter too....
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Book study funnies - blood
by Zico inthe book study tonight was all about abstaining from blood.
the usual nonsense which we've all heard before, but i thought i'd share some amusing comments from the completely misinformed and delusional brothers and sisters there tonight.
i wish jwfacts, td or any of the other board blood experts could have been there tonight to hear this, now that would have made a good study!
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I'm sitting here laughing, not because I don't believe it, but because I know it's absolutely true.
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The Society Says...
by drew sagan inreading another thread reminded me of this time long ago before i was ever baptized.
during a book study the conductor (who was the p.o.
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I can't remember how long ago it was, but I believe there was an article in a KM or WT about having jw's use the phrase, "The Society says..." It basically told the r&f not to use that phrase but instead substitute "The bible says..." I think the reason it gave was to show householders, relatives, etc. that we teach from the bible, and not from the WTS literature(which is incorrect, but the r&f went along with the reasoning anyway).
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Find Serendipity and Lola a man...or two
by lola28 inyes that's right serendipity and myslef are both on the market, any takers?.
i don't know what serendipity likes but umm, i'm going to take a guess, applicants must be:.
*oooo and above all he must have all his teeth, elders and ms need not apply.
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I take it they have to be single too?
Oh well. Count me out. I'm not into basketball anyways...