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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

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  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  Viviane has arrived, a voice of reason!
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  It absolutely can be where there should be evidence.

  I agree there are some exceptions to this rule.

  A classical example:

  "There is a elephant in the room." You see no elephant hence Absence of evidence is evidence of absence

  "There is a fly in the room." You see no fly hence Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
  
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  It could also be argued that since new-born babies do not believe in god, they are also born atheists.

  I don't think they entertain any belief at all, I don't think they believe in God and I don't think they disbelieve in God. They simply have no belief or opinion in the matter.

  It is actually the same fallacy as discussed in the previous 5 pages, just like the opposite:

  "since new-born babies do not disbelieve in god, they are also born Theists."
  
  
  
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  I am not agnostic I am an atheist. Agnostics just need to think it through a bit more.

  Look at the chart, are you not Atheist and Agnostic?
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  Nice chart. Who is the "god" ?

  Theism refers to a theistic God, but I think any God would do.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  now that I like. Why couldn't you have said that the fist comment after the op!! Lol. We could have avoided all this.

  It is probably the tenth time I have said it, it just gets drowned in the replies

  The OP is crap for insinuating
  

  Atheism = Science!

  One of the points I have tried to convey :P
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  Agnosticism is part of atheism, to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the individual.

  Agnosticism/Gnosticism (the two extremes) are part of all belief systems or lack thereof. Theist, Deists etc

  I don't know if you guys are familiar with this picture but it explains the relationship all these labels have:

  
  
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  How, therefore, can atheism be unscientific? Surely the atheist position is in line with all the available evidence?

  Atheism is not unscientific nor is it scientific. It is lack of belief.
  
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  1. 'agrumentum ad ignorantum' is used everyday as a part of scientific discovery.

  So you think science is using a fallacy to derive theories? To make the ramification clear: (I am using exaggerated examples that are more likely to be in science and to make my point clear)

  "There is no evidence for aliens, therefore aliens don't exist. Therefore we will not look for alien life because we know it does not exist."

  "There is no evidence for ghosts, therefore ghosts don't exist. Therefore we will not investigate the claim that a house is haunted because we know that it cant be."

  Or a few hundred years ago:

  "There is no evidence for (the idea of bacteria), therefore (the idea of bacteria) don't exist. Therefore we will not investigate (the idea of bacteria)"

  2. One does not consider a possible cause for which there is no evidence as a valid contributing factor.

  I agree!

  3. One always remains open to new evidence.

  I agree! But how can you say that I you are sure that fairies don't exist? Or are you not really sure?

  How can the label of atheism possibly be unscientific when it is applying part of everyday scientific method?

  It is? What you are describing is Gnosticism.

  Also Atheism is not unscientific nor is it scientific. It is lack of belief.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  C0ntr013r

  If no one had every made up a myth or a YHWH or whatever we would all be agnostic, that is their could be things beyond us unknown.
  This fact has made "agnostic" mean more than one thing, would you not agree? Quite literally maybe it has one single definition, but it means different things to different people. In the purist meaning we all have to be. But outside of that, many "agnostics" believe there is something out there, its just undefined, they still slide into a belief they want to hold onto that is unfounded, and simply unknown.

  I agree! I would argue that Agnosticism is the default position since we are born that way.

  It meaning different thing to different people is definitely a problem when discussing the topic, the OP for example does not understand the labels he uses...