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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

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  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Just to clarify since there seem to be some misunderstanding, I am not a Theist.

  And in the discussion I am arguing for Agnosticism, that's it.

  EDIT: also that Atheism have nothing to do with science. It is lack of belief.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  You guys spend too much time on wikipedia reading fallacy definitions, I think they serve a fantastic purpose but are abused in these atheist bashing threads.
  So if I use a fallacy to mock you for believing in fairies does that make them real because i used a fallacy????

  You fail to understand that this is a argument about Gnostic vs Agnostic. (certainty vs uncertainty)

  We are not debating the existence of God, we are debating if you can be sure of his existence/non existence.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Qcmbr you might be the forth or fifth person in this thread to ask that lol I know I did, cofty did, they love to stir it up for no reason

  The Theists probably ran away when they realized it would be a slaughter :P

  10 vs 1 Would not be a favorable fight ;)
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  Semantics aside at some point with fallacy and all you have to say

  Would you say the same if I said:

  There is no evidence that God does not exist, therefor God must exists?

  You would take issue with this fallacy would you not?

  
  
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  So not believing in fairies is NOT a belief (according to you). That's great.

  More straw men? Read my comment again. Belief did NOT enter science.

  
  

  You didn't answer the second question: How did scientists get to that belief/non-belief (insert whatever semantics you want)

  It does not deal with belief in the first place...

  Science is not a entity that can hold a belief... It is a system we use to investigate the world, it has no beliefs.

  And by your own admission non-belief is not a matter of faith at all.

  ???

  
  

  So what is it then because it is used in science every day?

  No...

  So just as non-belief in fairy's is scientific, so non-belief in god is also scientific.

  You put beliefs into science, not me...

  Now you can argue that 'agrumentum ad ignorantum' is the most valid course in life for your own special exceptions.

  But it is a logical fallacy... Therefore it is a faulty way to think, you are going to come to wrong conclusions when you use it like all the other logical fallacies...

  
  

  Its not a belief as you specifically pointed out, therefore not a matter of faith.

  Well it is not that either, but It does not deal with belief

  
  

  Atheism - scientific.

  Just like Atheism never deal with science and science never deal with Atheism...

  
  
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  and in the meantime we can appropriately say, "No, those things do not exist."

  I am confused, you say that but don't mean it?

  The sharper minds would say that we can "know" nothing except those thing that are known thorough definitions. A examples of what we can "know" is:

  A triangle has 3 edges and 3 sides because it is it very definition.

  I have not understood Saintbertholdt comments to mean "No, those things do not exist." but I don't know.

  If I understand correctly he is trying to prove through evidence that God can't exist.

  Hence my responds: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

  And that's where the discussion started.

  I respect you're view and share it.

  
  
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  [Day 4 - 31/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

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  by popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.

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  I don't know thou, I am just hoping.
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  what do you guys wish to accomplish? is there a belief you are trying to promote? or just arguing for the sake of circular arguing? Are you trying to make a case for the abrahamic god? or any other myth? if not then we are all in the same boat.

  Is this directed towards our discussion?

  Atheist are all agnostic technically.

  Many Atheists are Agnostic but some are also Gnostic.

  I don't believe anyone who would be labeled and atheist would be stupid enough to say they are certain there is not

  Well, yes there are some. Many people get there beliefs from other sources that careful study. You are probably familiar with this as an ex JW. This is true for Atheists as well, some adapt a popular belief without a good understanding of it etc...

  Not saying that all Gnostic's do this of course.

  If understand correctly Saintbertholdt is one of those few Gnostic's and I am trying to show him that this position is unreasonable because it is based on a logical fallacy. Hence all the links to logical fallacies

  Maybe it is pointless, I get the feeling he is starting to understand that he is wrong but wont admit it, idk.

  Anyone else with similar beliefs might alter them after reading this thread. All Gnostic's, both Theists and Atheist (most Gnostic's are probably Theists) might benefit from this discussion, idk
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  [Day 4 - 31/7]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  by popular demand i give you day 4, and i will finally get a couple of days to sleep .

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lmlcdqesa0&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui&index=11.

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  The Catholic Church is next.

  
  why does that matter?

  Maybe because they have already been up and they have been given a part 2, so maybe JWs will get a part 2 in a few months as well?
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  Labeling one self "Atheist" is Unscientific

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have not meet all atheists, and it would be foolish for me to assume that all atheists, share the same prototypical view points.

  i am inclined to feel that this classifies the views of a large percentage of atheists.

  "atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.

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  One also cannot prove that Elves do not exist.
  One also cannot prove that Fairies do not exist.
  One also cannot prove that Lord Xenu does not exist.
  One also cannot prove that the universe is not the ejaculate of a Giant Space Penis.

  ...............

  Absence of evidence is good enough to discount ALL of the above for any practical and scientific purpose.
  

  And all of these statement you made are examples of this fallacy.

  Do you see the resemblance?

  "There is no evidence of aliens, and therefore, aliens do not exist"

  There is no evidence of fairies, and therefore, fairies do not exist

  There is no evidence of God, and therefore, God does not exist