Thanks yadda yadda for presenting all that research and then posting it on this thread!
Posts by tec
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127The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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tec
Tec said that she beleived Jesus was the son of god because of the the things he taught,
Actually, I said that I believed in the truth of Jesus teachings and example; therefore I also believe him when he said that he was the Son of God.
Tec
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Did you feel "something is wrong here" when you studied with JW?
by Albert Einstein ini started to study with jw when i was 19. my jw teacher was 30+ charismatic nice guy, comming with his wife.
when discussing "bad associations" i disagreed on completely avoiding company of worldly colleauges and friends.
the sister after several atempts to convince me got angry and told me: "does it encourage you to serve jehovah?
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I felt a few things were wrong when my bible teacher studied with me. I never got into Jesus as the archangel Michael. I thought that was at least as presumptious as the trinity, and I always thought it got added just to answer the question of who Jesus was, after explaining that he was NOT a part of a trinity.
When I asked how I could start getting my kids away from celebrating Easter and Christmas, one of the woman who came with my teacher said I could offer them something in exchange... like a family picnic, or presents just as a family thing. Since they taught me that the church had offered Jesus' birthday as a sort of exchange for celebrating Horus, the sun-god... I wondered why she would recommend that I do something that seemed to be something she condemned.
In the end, I became convinced that 'new light' would be given to the annointed, and these mistakes would be cleared up.
Fortunately, after two years of study and just a week after I said I wanted to be baptized, I had huge doubts about the teachings, did outside research and stopped studying.
Took me a while to find comfort and truth in the love and example of Jesus- something that the WT doesn't seem to follow.
Tec
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Golden Age Quotes--You have to see it to believe it.
by blondie inquestion: will husband and wife live together after the resurrection is completed, if both are in harmony with god?.
answer: the scriptures do not reveal what the relationship of men and women will be after the resurrection is completed.
the most that we know is that there will be no children born during the last 100 years of the millennium (isa.
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tec
Um... what?
There are authenticated instances where women have been trnasformed into men?
Tec
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Are you a stay at home mom, working woman with or with out children or a combination of both?
by restrangled ini am asking this based on sd-7's posts and am curious what you consider fair as far as house upkeep in the position you are in.. i was raised in the 60/70 decades from parents married in the 1950's so i seem to have a pretty old fashioned idea of what "housewife" means.. when i was working i had no tolerance for any slop habits, but since i'm home i don't require much.. so what are your ideals, how does your home operate?
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Before kids, I worked as much as my husband, and we divided duties. Truth be told, he's a far better cook than I am. But since children, I've been a stay at home mom when we can afford it, and a part time working/full time mom when we can't afford it. My boys are 7 and 11. I take care of the house, all the school stuff, holidays, errands, etc. I don't mind doing all of it, as long as its appreciated. I know my husband works long and hard hours, and comes home physically exhausted, and I don't think it matters who is doing more... it matters who has the energy to do what.
But when I am working outside the home, then the housework and the cooking will slack.
However, being a mom is more important than all the rest, and I will let everything else slack before that stuff.
All this being said, when my kids were still babies/toddlers, I was exhausted all the time. I had little help from the hubbie, and our relationship was extremely strained by who did more. Especially since we were used to a two income family and splitting the chores. We were both young, but I always assumed that every relationship when through that phase while children were young.
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The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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tec
Jesus certainly wasn't the first to subscribe to these ideas. Why single him out?
Perhaps. But Jesus not only subscribed to these teachings, he also lived and died for them. Since the truth of his teachings and example resonate with me, I cannot disbelieve him when he says he came from God, or that he is the Son of God. Hearsay or not, those who wrote the gospel were closest to him, and they also lived and died for the example and word he taught.
Acknowledge what? That people are jerks?
That wars and atrocities are the works of people, with or without religion and/or faith.
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The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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The core teachings of the Gospels are: Love God, Love yourself, Love your neighbor, love your enemies and forgive.
If we're looking for a general consensus on the meaning of the gospel, I agree with the above. I don't follow Christ based on the miracles, or even based on the resurrection hope -though I don't deny them, and I would certainly like to be with Him when I die. But I follow Christ because I believe this message, and one other. Faith brings strength and comfort to those who share it.
Yes, people have done horrific things in the name of God, in the name of religion, just as people have done horrific things in the name of progress, expansion, love, tribal unity, honour, pretty much anything you can think of, including doing horrific things because they have no moral Law and don't believe in one.
Agreed. I think the only way that many atheists are going to acknowledge this is if religion and faith are gone (or driven into hiding) and the wars and atrocities of man continue.
Tec
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The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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tec
I just wanted to quickly clear up a few things that I seemed to have been agreeing with concerning El, Yahweh and the baals. I am not in any position to try and start an entire new debate on these particular things. These are only a few of my personal thoughts on the new things that we read and briefly discussed.
El is a Caananite god that pre-dates Yahweh in both the written and archealogical record.
The source didn't say that El pre-dates Yahweh. The source says that he is thought to correspond to Yahweh. But men were calling on God even before the account of Noah. Therefore, God, the creator of the universe, would predate any Caananite tribes or form of worship... no matter what name is applied to him. If this were not true, then who spoke to Noah, who pre-dates the Caananite tribes? (Encyclopedia Mythica also concurs that the Cannanites descended from one of Noah's sons)
But even if there are any similarities, it stands to reason that the Caananite tribes would have been taking from the knowledge that had come from Noah's time and earlier since they are Noah's descendants. Did they warp it and fall away from the true worship of their Creator? Yes; by way of the Baals, and so explains Elijah and the many prophets of the OT who tried to bring this worship and its atrocious child/human sacrifices to a halt.
As for the account of the flood, archaeological studies would disprove a world flood, but there is geological evidence indicating a major flood in the middle east. But it does nothing to debate this point unless a major discovery comes to prove it. But even this does not negate the claim that the Caananites descended from Noah.
I don't believe in a young earth, btw. Science has proven otherwise. But this in no way conflicts with a existence of a Creator. How could we possibly prove without any doubt how much time passed from when the planet was formed to when man first walked upon it?
El's is also Baal's father. Therefore, according to your source and your agreement that El is Yahweh, Jesus is Baal's little brother. Jesus has some things similar to Baal (you DID say we should look for similarities in things) and some things different, just like any family.
I apologize. I was hasty in agreeing to that El is Yahweh. There is so much conflicting evidence to go through, I can't say anything one way or another at this time. Except to emphasize what I said above: that our God, the Father of Jesus, is the creator of the universe... no matter the name people may or may not have given to Him.
As for Jesus being Baal's little brother, Jesus of Nazareth was a man who was also the Christ - who's spirit was with God in the beginning, and through whom and by whom all things were created. (I use the NIV (Thompson chain reference edition) when I make references to the bible.) If the spirit of Christ was with God in the beginning, then there is nothing to say that Jesus is emulating 'big brother', or that Satan would have existed before him at all. Satan is a fallen angel. Jesus is not called an angel... except in the JW teachings that suggest he is the archangel Michael.
But most importantly, at least to me, Jesus gives all credit of his teachings to his Father in heaven. And it is through this Father that we get to Jesus... beginning with the creator and moving down to Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and finally Moses and the Jews. Jesus also emphasizes that it is those 'who do the will of his Father in heaven' who are his mother, brother, and sister. Making this union more important than any possible familial relations.
It is yet my third night of staying up to 3am to post on this thread. I can't keep up this pace, even in the friendliest of debates/discussions, especially since my intent was just to deal with the Christ-myth things. So I will bow out, though I look forward to discussing things such as these with you again in the future.
And thank you for saying that I also challenged you. I hope you have more of an understanding of why I do not trust the research or claims made by Christ-mythers. Hopefully, I have also learned to keep the emotion -negative or positive- in my debate from detracting from the message I am trying to get across.
While we may still disagree on things, and this is not a bad thing, I believe that the best thing that can come from a debate is that both parties learned something that helped them to grow personally.
Best to you,
Tammy
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The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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Not bowing out here, but I have to get ready for work. Thanks for challenging me to research this OT stuff, notverylikely. I am enjoying the additional things I am learning that shed some understanding on the old ways of many Israelites... though as I said it is just an interest of mine and not more important than following Christ.
Tec
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The Pagan Christ
by poopsiecakes inhas anyone read this book?
i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.
the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.
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-You said...Yahweh came from El according to your source, so your unbiased source would seem to disagree with this. I have no dispute with the claim that Yahweh is El. Yahweh is just the name that was given to Moses, according to the bible, and depending on who you believe wrote the first few books of the bible. But Yahweh didn't come into existence at the point where he gave a name to Moses.
-I'm taking the information on Noah from the bible. Noah. Flood. Three sons - Ham, Shem and Japheth... and from Ham came Canaan and the caananite clans. Genesis Chapter 10. If there are archaeological things contradicting this, then I don't know them, but I will research it.
-But you claim these books prove Jesus exists (or are you NOT claiming that?). How can you claim they prove something and then claim to not know these source? Of course, if you are not claiming that and we are using Jesus in the mythical tradition, then it doesn't matter.
Pretty sure I said that it proves it to me, and that I am not an expert and would need to research this more to make any kind of authoritative statement.