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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

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  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  PB was not blithely dismissing death... looks to me like he was dismissing the validity of your complaint.

  But you won't admit to or even see that, will you?
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  Well, I have been researching plate tectonics, the causes, the results, etc... from the formation of the earth until now... and there is nothing that I have read that would suggest that this movement and its results are not essential to life on this planet. Including what comes from the energy produced, the volcanoes, the way the O2 and CO2 are maintained and affected, the cooling, the climate, the fertile lands, and resources of the earth becoming available, etc. Everything in this planet and on this subject is intricately connected... one cause and effect connected to another; which I am sure we will find are connected also to other things in the solar system, the universe, etc. We are babes in all of this still... including in seeing all the causes, effects, consequences.

  But to suggest that this cause and effect could simply be stopped so that no human is ever affected adversely (and humans cover the globe)... is to speak with absolutely no knowledge of how intricately each force in this planet is connected to the next, as well as also to the forces of the universe that allow and sustain life on this planet to begin with.

  The things I read suggest also that this activity is continuing to slow down, from its greater activity that came at first. I find that interesting as well, and am pondering the implications.

  Now I know that you are just going to repeat that you believe God should have been able to do it... insult insult insult, yadda yadda.

  It feels... mmm... interesting to be the one trying to present the scientific view - which on this matter is extremely intricate - and you disregarding what the science shows in order to present your version of 'god did it'... which you present as 'god should have done it'.

  But to each his own. Anyone interested, do the research and see for yourself.

  Peace to you all,

  tammy
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  That one is not true ; )

  Well, it isn't true, for real. The other defenses I think are shown in what is written, so based at least in part on that. So that there is an example of them, and that is why people suggest them as possible answers. Maybe I'll go through the summary list and see if that is what is happening.

  (also... I don't have to go to work after all, the hot water tank busted and i just got called off... so extra bonus day off for me... and no chefs have to do dishes by hand first, boiling hot water to do them... Yay; since it is is also -30 out right now, warming up after our -40 weekend)

  Peace!!

  tammy
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  You are good at quote-mining. Also twisting words. Gotta give you that ; )

  All the while avoiding the point... and your end game is no different than your pastor friend's end game, regarding conversion. Just from the opposite angle.

  I am off for now though.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  I have explained 5 or 6 times that this is NOT my point.

  The events of 26th Dec 2004 rasie a difficult question for theism. I want to investigate possible answers.

  LOL... no. Your end game is to try and prove that there is no God. This is a step in your end game. You don't really want to investigate possible answers. You want to disprove or ridicule possible answers so that there is no alternative for people except to admit that God is 'dumb and weak or monstrous' (your lies... not mine)... leading TO the end game of belief of God is ridiculous; there is no God.

  Same as the end game of your pastor was not to simply discuss why you were not at church... but to convert you back to your faith.

  You're playing the same game. You're not going to own up to it?

  I mean, that even didn't raise a difficult question for me. I already understood that life on this world and in this flesh also comes with potential danger and harm from such natural events that also enabled life to be here to begin with. Part of this world, and the dangers are part of being physical beings in the physical realm. But none of it is the end of life, not even for those who were harmed/died in those disasters.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i do not think god is a'morphic.

  god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.

  there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.

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  Stating the fact that people die in the flesh... I fail to see how that is denigration of the physical. I guess you denigrate the physical too, huh? Unless you deny that people die in the flesh?

  People die in the flesh. This body dies. That is an undeniable fact. Yes?

  My faith gives hope in the renewal and resurrection of those who have died (in the flesh). That is about LIFE.

  Your thoughts and reasoning on this 'cult of death' from my faith are so backward... I just 'smh'.

  Though i do understand that you may have refused to live and enjoy your life as a jw, and kept putting it off... and perhaps as a evangelist, you were more focused on the teachings of hell and wickedness, etc... rather than on life. I am sorry for you and those trapped in those lies as you once were also. But that is YOU. Not me. Not truth.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  Red herring... strawman... I forget which fallacy you just used is called. Maybe Adamah can help us out with it:

  They just needed you to go and tell them all to man up and stop whinging, its only death FFS!

  I never said any such thing and I certainly never implied it.

  Besides which... i am talking to YOU. You are the one using this disaster in your work to prove that God does not exist. Which don't even pretend that that is not your end game. Of course it is.

  But why don't you do what you have suggested that I do, including the fallacious manner in which you suggest I do it?

  Go and tell them that - on the plus side there is no God so they don't have to wonder why God did not stop the tsunami caused by natural movements of the earth (if they even WERE wondering why before you decided to tell them that God did not stop the tsunami because he does not care about them, or anyone, or that their god is just too weak and dumb and monstrous to save them) - but on the down side, they and all of their loved ones who died are just tough out of luck. No hope. No God. No Kingdom. No comfort. Shit happens. Sorry about your luck. You have no hope to ever see them or to have life again.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Millions die in Natural disasters - God is doing nothing. Do I adopt Anthropomorphism to him?

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i do not think god is a'morphic.

  god is not human, so hence he does not possess human characteristics, to know god better and to understand him better i study science.

  there has been a new discovery of strange signals picked up from black holes and distant supernovae suggest there's more to space-time than einstein believed.

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  tec

  You're welcome Kate. Glad you enjoyed.

  I had a nice and quite and relaxing Christmas (I worked on New Year's eve, but it was filled with competitions and fun, so it was... fun, lol). Thank you for asking. I never went back and asked how your New Year's went. Hope you had fun on your night out.

  Peace to you,

  tammy
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  Again, Cofty, you speak from ignorance on the matter; of the science and of God and of how energy works with God. Unless of course you can tell me that you know how all of these things work together?

  2Tired... how is that for certain? How do you know that he did not warn people... but that there were none willing/able to receive His warning? You guys don't even believe the Spirit exists, much less speaks. I believe that you are in the majority on that.

  Regardless, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, etc, etc... are all part of this world, and the inherent harm that they may cause to others are also part of this world. You knew this truth at birth; you knew this truth when you believed; you knew this truth from Christ who said that such things would happen. To be surprised then to the point of turning your back on God/losing your faith when such things DO happen... is very strange to ME. I can understand being shocked by the reality of something that you might not have allowed yourself to think of before.

  But death is death. It comes to most everyone (those in Christ do not taste death - do not go to the world of the dead - but do go under the altar to await the first resurrection). Physical death, however, does come to everyone. There are some who blame God for not stopping the things that cause death - natural or not - which is what you are doing. And some who know that he gives life (we are all alive or we would not be having this conversation), including eternal life; those who see/know Christ who healed the sick, forgave, showed mercy, gave his life, resurrected some, etc, etc... and these are not the examples of a God who does not love and does not serve and does not work for His children... but of a God who does love, who does serve, who does work for his children.

  In this life there will be death and suffering... at the hands of others for the most part, but also at the hands of natural events (some as a result of what was needed to support life, and some -maybe even all- that comes from events that we do not know about).

  Not knowing the specific reason for a specific event... is not the same as there not BEING a specific reason. Nor is it intellectually dishonest to say you don't know, but that you do not assume, in light of all you DO know about God (from Christ), that it is because God is a monster (as you judge one you do not know).

  You object to the reasons that you have summarized from various people (and sometimes misrepresented, though not necessarily on purpose)... and think that your objection defeats them? Because there are objections and discrpencies to your explanations as well, and I assume you do not think that defeats them: that god does not exist TO stop suffering (and that opens a whole other discussion); or that god is useless, weak, immoral, etc... all of which is contradicted in the fact that we have life, the promise of life, as well as being contradicted in all that Christ showed us about His Father.

  So for those reasons... there are objections and discrepencies and questions raised by them as well.

  You might mislead some, and I am sorry that you were misled, and did not know Christ so as to trust in Him. But those who belong to, hear, look to and follow Christ know that God is as He has shown Him to be. If there is something that one does not understand or know (yet)... they know that it will not be in contradiction to what He has shown of God.

  But as for this... no one was ever promised that this life would not include both good... and bad. That is what 'Adam' chose for his children; some of whom are given the right to become the sons (children) of God, because of the way that God provided for them to come BACK to Life, and to Him.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  tec

  No, Billy. The physical consequences of 'quelling the wave at its source'... like cause and effect?

  Peace,

  tammy