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  JJ Abrams and the WTBTS.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  you are probably wondering what these two subjects have in common.

  well, i have been pondering something for quite some time.

  i have been trying to figure out how explain the recent and huge doctrinal shifts of the wtbts since the 2012 annual meeting, and the accompanying modernizing of the jw official website.

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  Also, I love the alternate Star Trek, it's brilliant. It revived the franchise, and that's what the Org wants as well.

  Ahh... now that comparison I CAN see. Good point.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  had nothing to do with eating with clean hand or hygiene,

  Exactly. Thank you for sharing all of that.

  Why are you and adam talking about handwashing anyway? How is that going to convince DS to choose God or atheism?

  Adamah is using the ceremonial handwashing thing to spin that Christ in his ignorance told people NOT to wash their hands at all, and in so doing, caused many deaths (or failed to prevent them) with lack of hygiene. The account had nothing to do with that, but I imagine that if someone believed Adamah's interpretation, that it might cause them to reject Christ.

  DS can make his own mind up on the matter though, I am sure. Enough has probably been said on the matter though, lol.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  JJ Abrams and the WTBTS.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  you are probably wondering what these two subjects have in common.

  well, i have been pondering something for quite some time.

  i have been trying to figure out how explain the recent and huge doctrinal shifts of the wtbts since the 2012 annual meeting, and the accompanying modernizing of the jw official website.

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  Lol... my sister and I had that very debate last night. (regarding Star Trek... not regarding the GB being the FDS)

  Mind you... I LIKE the alternative universe timeline in Star Trek. Makes everything new, rather than a remake.

  So I think to see your analogy, I would have to first be on the same side as you in the Star Trek debate ; )

  Not that I disagree... the GB is not the FDS... and what came before DOES matter because we are not living in an alternative universe.

  Peace to you,

  tammy
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  Lol... anyone else is free to look it up themselves to see what this netilat yadayim (ceremonial handwashing) is all about. I don't need to convince anyone about it.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  I think you missed the point on the handwashing, Adamah. Performing the 'ritual' does not clean the hands. It is ceremonial. It does not use soap... but just water and a blessing. So that one is ceremonially clean. So why WOULD a germ be deflected by that? And so why do you insist that Christ condemned people to dying from germs, when he spoke only against the 'ceremonial' handwashing, that did not prevent germs to begin with?

  (I looked up your Netilat-Yadayim... and it is about ritual purification. If you want your hands to be clean, as in physically clean, you have to wash them before the ritual... because the ritual has nothing to do with actually cleansing your hands)

  Tammy---if we cant get to the father unless he draws us...then why are some drawn and some not? As many on this board are seeeking the truth, why are they not being drawn?

  Perhaps because some do not wish to be drawn to TRUTH. Some might wish to be drawn only to what they want to believe as truth; or what they are willing to accept; and so cannot hear the actual truth. Such as people who remain in the wts for example and love it... who do not want anything other than what their GB 'feeds' them. Same can be said of other organized religions as well.

  And some are 'hurt' also by what the wts did to 'the truth' and so to their faith IN the Truth. So that they are carrying baggage and pain, that interferes with hearing Christ and understanding the truth of God. That is their purpose... the wts and others like them... to prevent people from coming to Christ by luring them to a lie; and to destroy, if possible, the faith that some DO have if these ones attemp to leave the lie.

  But Christ is here; He is alive; He calls to all who are thirsting and all who are wishing. He (the Spirit) and the bride say, "Come! and take the free gift of the water of life."

  Remember too that Christ also said that those who seek, find; and those who knock, the door will be answered to them; those who ask, receive.

  And what Laika said!

  Peace to you both,

  tammy
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  However, she's contradicting herself, since TEC has also claimed in this very thread to hear the voice of Jesus in her head, and repeatedly said Jesus' voice can be trusted as the source of "truth".

  How is there a contradiction? I stated what I ONCE did, before knowing that Christ spoke... before knowing that I could listen to His voice?

  Zound got it. Perhaps you misread, Adamah?

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

  1. jw
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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  Adamah, you are the one who takes a mishmash of various theological interpretations, and calls them true.

  I asked you to back up what you say from scripture... not theology. But you are not even consistent in that... or please provide a link to any theologian that asserts otherwise about... not handwashing... but CEREMONIAL handwashing. Do the accounts mention the lay people ceremonially washing their hands, btw... or just the priests/pharisees/teachers of the law? But besides all that... does dipping your hands in water (that others have also dipped their hands in) equal handwashing? We're not talking about soap here, or even hot water.

  Because a quick google on to what other theologians state about that passage reveals some of what I shared, and some of what is written here. Yet, you call it absurd.

  And for the second time, I never said that His power to heal did not come from God. So I do not know why you continue to go on about it. Christ never took credit for that. "Go and tell the priests how much God has done for you" Or "Go, your faith has healed you."

  Here is another passage that perhaps you overlook. Where healing had nothing to do with forgiving sins, because there was no sin TO forgive:

  "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

  "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said 'Jesus', "but this happened so that he work of God might be displayed in his life."

  Or this from Peter (regarding a man crippled from birth):

  Acts 3:16

  By faith in the name of Jesus*, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus'* name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see.

  says something like only half of the accounts of healing involved faith of the one who was cured

  Again, I did not say faith 'of the one who was cured'. Like I previously told you that I did not say 'patient'. It was not a matter of semantics. Obviously, the faith of the Centurion allowed his servant to be healed. The faith of the phonecian woman allowed her daughter to be healed. (mind you, none of that means the patient did not also have faith, but perhaps were unable to ask themselves, and so another came in their stead)

  So what do we have from what is written?

  In ALL instances it is the power that was in Christ (given to Him by God, having come from God) that healed people.

  In most instances, it is written that it was someone's faith that allowed healing (or a miracle) and a lack of faith that prevented healing or a miracle.

  Did Christ also forgive sins? Of course He did!

  I believe that you are saying that his forgiveness of sins allowed some to be clean so that they COULD be healed? If that were true... by being part of the process in some instances (and i would still like you to put forth the scriptural backing for this claim)... faith still came first, so that according to Christ's own words... their faith had healed them.

  Because what of the blind man from birth or the cripple from birth or the woman who was bleeding and who was healed without Christ even knowing who she was, so as to forgive her sins first?

  However, consider what is also written about the process:

  Matthew 8:17

  This was to fulfill what was written by the prophet Isaiah:

  "He took up our infirmities (sicknesses) and bore (carried) our diseases."

  Something for you to consider perhaps.

  Peace to you,

  tammy

  *Jesus not being the name the Peter used; but rather Jaheshua (pronounced like Yeshua), the one who came in the name of Jah.
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  I did.

  (though I know also that Christ said no one comes to the Son unless the Father draws/enables them (and you might consider that supernatural influence)... remember that He also said that he who seeks will find, so perhaps that person who is seeking has already been enabled...)

  I can't answer as to the likelihood though, Zound. I don't know. Sorry.

  Peace to you,

  tammy (who is off to bed, so if there is anything more you want to discuss, i am not ignoring you, i am just gone to bed)
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  Giant thread of convince-me-not-to-be-a-theist

  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  I do, and on that issue as well... but I didn't always know how to do that, or even that a person COULD do that. So I did what anyone can do, regardless of their faith, and that is look at what Christ taught, by word and deed, as written.

  Peace to you,

  tammy (hoping the hornets nest is not stirred... just answering the question... really didn't do a good job of staying off the thread, though... sorry DS)
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  by DS211 in

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  if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?

  for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?

  and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?

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  There can be unclear messages as per what is written, I agree, Zound... hence all the various schools of thoughts/denominations/etc. I would suggest that this is also because man often complicates things on his own, something that can and does obscure the simple truth. There are doctrines out there that are a direct result of this. I have also misunderstood from the text, trying to interpret it on my own. The trinity was a killer for me when I was studying with the jws... because it is interpretation, and there was nothing stating yay or nay definitively. At one point though, I decided to go with what Christ was written to have said, and nothing more than that. Others could believe as they chose.

  Peace,

  tammy