if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
Why do you write 'misunderstand' in quotations (how did you misunderstand me?), and what do you mean by maintaining a harmonious Christ... and what do you think I will see? I mean, really, i know you like people to think for themselves or something along those lines... so you don't answer direct all the time... but I prefer not to assume your meaning. Please just tell me if you want me to put any thought to it.
Peace,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
I don't understand what you are trying to say, Jgnat.
Zound... because it IS an extrapolation; an interpretation. Because it ignores the many statements Christ made as to people being healed by their faith, and the statement he made about having felt power go out of Him. And because Adamah uses his statement to try and prove that Christ was ignorant of germs, etc. If forgiving sins is what healed people, then would that not mean then, that those who get sick (genetic diseases or otherwise) are not forgiven their sins? Because is that not an implication also?
Regardless of whether someone has their sins forgiven or not... there is still sin and death in this flesh, in this vessel, hence the reason we get old and get sick and die. Not because we are not forgiven our sins.
Hope that helps some in understanding,
Peace,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
Yes.... and?
peace,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
Was that for me, Jgnat and Zound? That is addressed on page 8, second post from the bottom, 3rd response in the post. (sorry, i have not tried the link to a specific post thing yet)
Christ had the power to forgive sins, obviously. He also had the power to heal. That he could do the one (heal) which was HARDER to do, showed that He did have authority to do the other (forgive sins).
What are you reading differently from the account, and why?
Peace,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
Heh, I didn't see that one.
You don't see a lot of things, Adamah... which is how you thought elsewhere that I believed Adam was killed in the first day because I have used the "a thousand years = a day" reasoning (something I never used); and in the same thread you said I backpeddled from the whole 24 hour literal days of creation... but i never said they were 24 hour days to begin with, so how could I backpeddle.
You still have not addressed the simple statement that you made... that Christ healed by forgiving sins. There is not one account that states such a thing. If there is, then please show me this. You ignored that entire post on the last page, and as far as I can tell, you ignored it because you cannot prove it wrong.
Sometiems you also state one thing... then seem to do a complete reversal and state what I have been stating all along, as though I have been arguing that same thing. LOL. I am not sure how that breakdown occurs. Either you are not reading my posts carefully, or I am not reading your posts carefully. But I find it very hard to keep track of your point when it seems to do a reverse. In any case, if you want to continue this conversation, I suggest that we do so elsewhere. Start another thread if you like and I'll meet you there.
Peace to you,
tammy
i've spent the last few years examining my core beliefs to test what still stands.
i've let go of an inviolate bible, demoted jesus to a failed prophet, and god as unable to act against injustice.
our universe made itself.
Just chiming in real quick about the video...
It was kind of a loaded question he asked, wasn't it? Do you believe that if something is written in the Quran, from Allah, as a punishment, that it is the proper punishment (something like that, I am paraphrasing).
Loaded... because while they may all have put their hand up as yes, to that... they do not all agree as to the meaning of what is written in the Quran. The way that question was formed... who - other than a Muslim who does not believe that the Quran came from Allah or that it is a holy book - could have said no?
And there are also places in the Quran where it is written that it is better to BE wronged, and let God judge, than to lift a hand and strike back against the one who wronged you.
Peace,
tammy
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LOL... those answers about cover the spectrum.
Peace,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
TEC, you do understand that anyone reading the thread can actually read the words I wrote within those parentheses, right?
Yes, and in those parentheses, you said that I think it is a trump card. I responded to all that you said.
DS211, I will actually bow out of this thread at this point. (not from anger or sadness or anything... please do not worry about that or read that into it) You have already stated that the content is what you will look at and/or consider. Perhaps there is something in anything I (or someone else) have shared that will help you on your path. If so, great. If not, no problem. Your path is your own to walk.
I have started threads and given evidence/reason I have for my faith... but that is not the same as being able to prove to someone else that God exists. I am well aware that this is not in my power. God draws people to his son, and that Son (who is alive and is truth) is the evidence. The one to look TO.
Peace to you, and may you find (or be found by) the One you are seeking!
Your servant in Christ,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
I'm actually off to get my kids, DS, so I will respond later : )
Peace to you,
tammy
if you could teach me one thing to convince me not to believe what would it be?
for instance what has the wt taught about evolution/science or mans existence that is wrong and could possibly change skmeones mind?
and the more important question, why is it a creator couldnt allow for species to evolve?
TEC, your inner voice clearly hasn't read the NT or understood the Bible's explanation of Jesus' power to heal being solely based on the concept of Jesus being authorized by God to forgive sins, where God's 'Holy Spirit' effects the cure. It wasn't some power Jesus had "inside of him", or even faith in HIM, but rather, faith in God's grace and ability (via Holy Spirit) which actually effected the cure. Jesus was the mediator, the messiah, often referred to as the high priest (who also was able to forgive sins on behalf of God), but the POWER was from God.
Yes, of course the power was from God. What does anything you wrote above have to do with anything that I said?
This was the entire basis of Jesus defense against the Pharisees, who charged Jesus with violating the Sabbath by saying was healing (a form of work which may have required making a mud salve with his spit); Jesus countered by claiming that He (Jesus) wasn't working, or doing work for his OWN benefit (he didn't accept payment), but was doing the work of glorifying his Father. God's spirit was working on the Sabbath, not him!
Again, what does what you are saying here have to do with anything i said regarding faith and healing?
They, the pharisees, were placing 'sacrifice over mercy'... the opposite of what God wants. So that they, the pharisees, condemned the innocent. Christ asked, "Which is lawful on the sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to sve life or to kill?"
Mercy, as the more important matter of the law.
Nothing wrong with doing good to others on the Sabbath.
In fact, there are MANY instances where the "patient" didn't possess or demonstrate faith in Jesus' ability to heal, since the restriction was that the person seeking healing, even on behalf of another person, had to possess faith that Jesus could effect a cure (and if the 'cure' failed, the requestor could be blamed for the treatment's failure, due to their "lack of faith"). And even that is an overstatement, since there are Biblical examples where NO faith in JEsus' ability was demonstrated, or could be demonstrated.
I did not say the patient, did I?
And this example from your 'let us reason' site is not entirely correct; well at least not in the way that you are applying it:
Lk.17:11-19 Jesus healed all 10 lepers but only one obeyed showing that he was the only one to possess true saving faith.
All ten lepers demonstrated faith by going to Christ to begin with... only one of them praised God and gave glory to God for what God had done; showing love as well.
As for those raised who were dead, like Lazarus, first off, Lazarus belonged to Christ, had complete faith IN Christ to begin with, and that would not have changed upon his death. Besides that, there was also the faith of those present, in particular, Mary, the sister of lazarus... that Christ IS the resurrection and the life. Mary went immediately TO Christ when He arrived, demonstrating her faith in Him. Christ was able to demonstrate that He IS the life and the resurrection in calling Lazarus, who belonged to Him, from his grave. Also demonstrating the time when all who are sleeping and in the graves will hear his voice and come out.
The only incident that I recall where faith is not mentioned or implied one way or the other... is the servant whose ear Peter sliced. Peace to you, tammy
