Lol sapphy how did you know that I am actually Andre?
Funny stuff.
stuckinamovement
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The "worlds" view of the preaching work- pretty accurate
by stuckinamovement intrue story ........so i was standing in line at the hardware store yesterday, picking up some garden stuff and happened to catch the conversation in front of me.
the man in front of me was buying a no soliciting sign.
the checker asked "who is this for, girl scouts?
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The "worlds" view of the preaching work- pretty accurate
by stuckinamovement intrue story ........so i was standing in line at the hardware store yesterday, picking up some garden stuff and happened to catch the conversation in front of me.
the man in front of me was buying a no soliciting sign.
the checker asked "who is this for, girl scouts?
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stuckinamovement
True story ........So I was standing in line at the hardware store yesterday, picking up some garden stuff and happened to catch the conversation in front of me.
The man in front of me was buying a no soliciting sign. The checker asked "who is this for, girl scouts?"
the man responded "those damn Jehovah's Witnesses. I have only lived here for three weeks and those bastards have come by twice." "I told them not to bother me, and if I ever want to learn about their crazy religion I will come to them".
The Checker replied...." I know, they just don't seem to get it. You can put yourself on a do not disturb list."
The man said in return, "if they come back again I will demand to be put on the list. I mean how disrespectful is it to come to my house at 10:00 in the morning to tell me that my religion is wrong?" " I don't stalk them down to say that I think they are a cult, I mean doesn't it go both ways?"
The checker replied, "they are trying to win converts. Everyone I know can't stand them."
I could hardly keep a staight face when I was paying for my items.
Attention Watchtower. The conversation above is exactly how you are perceived. Is it any wonder that you have zero growth from the territory?
SIAM
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Is The End of the "Preaching Work" Now In Sight?
by metatron inthere may not be any specific plan to end the "preaching work" but that doesn't mean that things can't evolve into such an outcome.
indeed, i now wonder if such a thing is probable!.
first, if (and it's a very big if) various nations develop case law that includes liability for volunteers, this will put the watchtower in a bind.
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stuckinamovement
Great thread Met.
I think that the preaching work is already a farce. People know that a day in service equals a day where you waste time, money and gas. No one is coming into the religion out of the territory. Most of the growth in the developed world comes from witness kids who are encouraged to get baptized. It is a joke. As more people realize that they are on a hamster wheel they will slow down, fake their hours, and eventually quit. (Its already happening)
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I Pads at Meetings
by seenitall ini know a boe letter just came through approving use of electronic devices (ipads) at meetings for the wt, bible, cd-rom.
anyone care to post the original letter?.
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stuckinamovement
Moshe, you are a genius. Add a spyware app to your idea and the society will jump on board!
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Menlo Park KH - Elder Tells All - and more
by Juan Viejo2 ini've published part one of a three part series about the menlo park kh scandal.
http://ex-jw.com/menlo-park-elder-tells-all-1.
this has been a tough one for me.. the original federal case was dismissed in january.
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stuckinamovement
Soldier 77, were there significant problems that were visible within the congregation? The brother that came out to clean it up came from the branch? If you feel comfortable enough you can PM me.
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Judicial Committee Meetings Sexual Matters
by Celestial inanyone had three elders (judicial committee) question you on sex before marriage?.
case in point, being raised as one of jehovah's witnesses, i partied with peers that were witnesses by tradition, inherent faith.
at the age of eighteen (1992), i was conversing about the elders with a group of witnesses, and a girl who had been before a judicial committee chimed in and said, they ask questions that are none of their fucking business.
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@ billy the ex,
I am sure that the services departments answer to your question would be a question in itself. " where are the Siamese twins physically attached?"
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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stuckinamovement
Thanks Minimus. Funny what thoughts you come up with at 3:00 in the morning. There have been a lot of good posts on this thread. I must admit that when I wrote this I was coming at it pretty one dimensionally. Thanks to those who chimed in with other angles. They are important to consider.
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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stuckinamovement
Good points exwhyzee
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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stuckinamovement
Blondie and Just Ron, you make good points. The social relationships wives have within the organization are an important factor also.
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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I have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization. In most cases their wives have remained in despite the husband’s best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong. Even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the Society. Why do elders leave while their wife stays…?
I think that this is the case due to several things…
As Elders and Servants most of us worked our tails off, at meetings, conventions, quick builds, service etc. Despite this, no matter how hard we tried and worked we were told that we needed to do a better job. Gratitude was rarely expressed. Many of us became burned out and disillusioned with the organization. We saw the corruption, simony and hypocrisy, the changing doctrinal positions and decided that we could no longer teach something that was not true. So we did research like any student is taught to do, we analyzed history and doctrine and came to the conclusion that it was wrong. Then…
As an appointed man you were expected and taught to lead your family in doing what is right. You were trained that even though you might feel some discomfort at the end result that you still had to make the hard decisions judicial or otherwise. It was always emphasized to the serving men to teach with skill, using illustrations, persuasion and confidence. You learned to be skeptical about someone’s “story” in judicial proceedings and thus always viewed the brothers and sisters with a measure of skepticism.
Our training helped us to realize that it was all a lie and then try to lead our families out. We were burned out teachers that knew how to research, were skeptical, critical, and determined to do what was right. That is why we left the organization. Watchtower, you trained us well.
The first person we told about our findings was our spouse. She was incredulous that it all could be true. Perhaps we were depressed, or in the wrong frame of mind. We needed to wait on Jehovah. We persisted in showing her the things wrong with the Society to the point where we were told, “I don’t want to talk about it”.
So why do some wives stay in this false organization? It is because they have been trained also. They have been trained to never question, and to humbly submit to the headship arrangement. They accompanied us in service and study, always at our lead, rarely with anything to offer in the family studies. They always looked to a man to provide direction and answers for them. They had no mechanism within or even a voice to question what they were taught. Their single job as a witness wife was to support their man, who in turn had to support the organization, who in turn was supposed to be supporting the Christ.
Our wives were trained by the organization to persist and endure all things even if their husband was a bastard. Their silent example would change his behavior is what they were told. Silent endurance and total dependence was the key thing that our wives were trained to do. And so now that is what they do. They persist, in silent endurance, hoping that an answer to their questions will be provided, somehow by their total dependence on the false organization. When we left, they simply followed the path of least resistance and stayed doing what they were trained to do.
Sadly the situation is simply a product of our Watchtower training.
SIAM