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A New Life On The Horizon!
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no one but jehovah would even know the number of dead, because of adam's sin.

{revelation 17:1-11}.

: {isaiah 35:5;42:7nlt}.
wannabe

Voideater! Would you mind explaining to me, just how anyone could make a World that has satan the devil for its god, could make it into a better World? He's the one who made what is right now. You're telling me, of course, you believe that can be improved on? Brother! I'd sure like to know how anyone could do that. Truth be told though when the smoke of Aramageddon clears, you can just bet it will be a better World. But not by any efforts of Man; try as they might to change it. Biggest problem is no one can change the mindset of the devil.He's out to destroy it in total, and kill everyone on it. That's what you'd like to see, is it? If he wasn't stopped dead in his tracks you would actually see that. Arn't you glad he will be stopped. Wannabe
A New Life On The Horizon!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
no one but jehovah would even know the number of dead, because of adam's sin.

{revelation 17:1-11}.

: {isaiah 35:5;42:7nlt}.
wannabe

A New Life on the Horizon!
From the Fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, Mankind has suffered untold miseries. Rivers of tears have flowed, at losing loved ones in death, brought upon us by the first Man's disodience. How many from Adam's time until now that have filled the common Grave of Dead Mankind, is incalculable. No one but Jehovah would even know the number of dead, because of Adam's Sin. Sin that has brought upon Mankind, a number of diseases, that in themselves are too numerous to calculate. Factor in with all of that, the number slaughtered in the Wars of the entire history of this World, with it's resulting famine, and satarvation and death due to that. One article I read at one time while researching this subject, I learned some Five Billion have been killed in the Wars of the History of this World. That was Ten years ago, so what is that number now? Not to forget, the Earthquakes, Fires and Floods, with Storms of every nature, taking an untold toll there as well. Did I say rivers of tears? Try more like Oceans of tears have been cried, by suffering human beings, who themselves never deserved what they were forced to live through. More accurately, die through.
The bottom line is, something is drasticlly wrong on Planet Earth, and desperately needs setting straight. We all know, for every effect, there has to be a cause. Obviously, the cause behind all of these terrible conditions, must be identified and removed; otherwise the conditions we suffer through on a daily basis will always remain a constant fact of life, and living through all of that, could not be called life. At best, abject misery!
One might believe this cause, is difficult to identify, but to the contrary, it`s really very easy to zero in on this cause, and learn just how his removal will be accomplshed. No one can learn the exact date this will occurr, but simply knowing it will, should be sufficient to give us all a hope for a much better future.
Of course many already know who this one that needs removing is; it is the, Òriginal Serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth... Revelation 12:9 ... beginning with Eve in the garden of Eden.
satan had caused the Woman Eve to violate a clear command of Jehovah not to touch the Tree of the knowledge of good and bad, for in the day they touched that Tree, they would die. So they both knew they would die was they to touch that Tree, but went ahead and ate of the fruit without thought for Jehovah's Command, not to touch it, bringing the sentence of death on both of them. As well, passing on that sin and dying condition now, on to all mankind. {Genesis 2:16,17;3:1-7} {Romans 5:12}
So satan had started the Wheel of death spinning, and it's been spinning ever since that first sin, in the Garden of Eden. That is when the River of tears, that would turn into an Ocean of tears, began flowing, with pain suffering death and deseases, as the Waves. Now, rather than happiness, laughter, and Joy, misery mourning sadness and great pain would follow all down through the Centuries. All, as a result of two disobedient Humans, following the lie told by satan. "You will not surely Die." But Die they did! Die, we do now, because they did, and passed it down on to all of us.
One Major event that had to be set straight, was the confusing of the many languages on the plains of Shiner, when they were bulding a Tower into the Heavens. Jehovah did not want them to accomplish the building of that Tower, because they were told to spread throughout the earth. At that time there was only one language, one set of words, but not wanting that Tower built Jehovah at that time confused the language, so now they could no longer work together on that Tower. That caused them to disperse through the earth, as Jehovah had intended. Only now they could not understand one and other. So their progress was severely hampered by their inability to understand one another which is what Jehovah wanted. Because there wasn't anything they couldn't do if they had set their minds to it. While all speaking the one Language. So, that has been a serious drawback for Mankind; not being able to understand the language of each other. True! Some today have mastered many languages, but the average person today will probably speak only his own language, so are unable to intelligently communicate with others of different races. In many ways this presents a serious drawback, and at some point must be dealt with, and that condition must be changed. {Genesis 11:1-8}
It was on the Plains of ancient Shinar in Babylon where all the divided Political Governments we see on earth first began, as well as the conglomeration of divided religions that are in existence, as well. John in the Revelation account likened them all as a Woman sitting on the Back of a Scarlet Colored Wild Beast with seven Heads and Ten Horns, that pictured the run of the World Powers from Egypt right down to the British American World Powers of Today. This Woman John described as Babylon the Great the Mother of the Harlots, and of the disgusting things of the earth. Drunk with the Blood of the Holy Ones and with the Blood of the witnesses of Jesus. Then he tells us, those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So, she is a Religious Institution, at odds with the true followers of the Christ, who by her religious teachings, intoxicates her followers. They are spiritual drunkards, who because of their spiritial drunkeness, persecute the true followers of Jesus, and kill them, as they killed the Christ. So, she has been in existence for many Centuries riding on the Back of that Beast. {Revelation 17:1-11}
So, there's a Religious mess that must be cleaned out, as well as a Political one; all though very much, divided. As Foretold they would be. {Daniel 2:41-43} Combined they make life for the people of this earth, for some, a living nightmare. A Literal Hell on earth. Their Political Ideologies keep them divided and their many varied Relgious Views keep them divided, as a result they are not able to get along with each other, and for Centuries have been at each others throats, fighting viscious Wars; in many cases in the name of God. Bringing great reproach shame and disgrace on his Holy Name. While professing to being Christian's.
The Apostle Paul explains the main reason behind this terrible disorderly condition by telling us that satan is the god of this World, held tightly in his Power, blinding, and misleading, the entire inhabited earth. {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} {1 John5:19} {Revelation 12:9}
At the Battle of Aramageddon; the War of the great Day Of God The Almighty, fought by the Christ, this entire mess will disappear in smoke and fire. Then the repair work will begin:
As you may be standing there a survivor of Armageddon looking back at the destruction, will you stand there feeling deep regret over what has taken place, or will you be filled with joy at what you know is ahead of you now? When suddenly you realise, a brand new earth is just ahead of you, with life with no end in store for you? With Health and strength that you never dreamed possible one could ever obtain. When you know, now there are no more deseases to contend with. Jehovah has put the brakes to the wheel of death you've known for so long is now gone forever. When soon dead loved ones are back in your arms, with tears of joy streaming down their faces, as they hold you close to them. That Parents who have lost their young Children to death are suddely confronted with a Lost Child who is now standing right in front of them grinning from ear to ear: "Hi Mom! Hi Dad!" And they are too busy doing cart-wheels to make a reply right away. When you know now, that when everyone sits down at mealtime, everyone is being fed, no one is doing without, there's plenty for all. When no one is crippled or lame, or blind, or suffering any illnesses at all. Best of all, there's no elderly people; no need of Wheel-Chair's Walker's or Cane's, when everyone is young again. Laughing and Happy!
What would Jehovah require of the survivors of Armageddon to do? There will be plenty of good work to do now. But there's others there of another race or language who you don't understand, who don't understand; you so it would present a problem in getting all the work done, because there's a language barrier. Wouldn't Jehovah have to do the following:
Now it was against Jehovah's Will for those who were building that Tower in the Heavens wasn't it? Because of that he moved to confuse their language, so they couldn't work together to accomplish what they wanted to do, didn't he? But now we have a much different scenario; Jehovah will need us all to be able to understand each other, to accomplsh something he really wants to be done. My guess would be, he would move just as quickly, to restore everyone to one language as existed in the beginning, so that everyone could work together in unison in this instance.
"For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language,
That they all may call on the name of the LORD,
To serve Him with one accord."{Zephabniah 3:9 NKJV}
Now all returned to the one language what other blessings may we look forward to? No longer any divisions caused by Language barriers.
8 "At that time those who can't hear will hear what is read from the scroll. Those who are blind will come out of gloom and darkness. They will be able to see." {Isaiah 29:18 NIRV}
Now we all have the one language that everyone can hear, and the Blind will be able to read any written documents.
Those of us who have good hearing and vision, might not get the full impact of regaining hearing and sight, but as for those who are deaf and Blind their joy will be unspeakable; ours will come from just watching them experience theirs.
So, thus far we have three promises, that will be fulfilled wihout any doubt. A change to a pure language where this entire World will be united in thought pupose and ativity. No more will there be any Deaf or Blind suffering those experiences. Things are looking pretty good up to this point aren't they? Let's go in and look for any more blessings we might just experience under the Kingdom of God. How about this matter of Famine and starvation? What promise is there about that?
7 "May all the godly flourish during his reign.
May there be abundant prosperity until the moon is no more."{Psalm 72:7 NLT}
16 "May there be abundant grain throughout the land,
flourishing even on the hilltops.
May the fruit trees flourish like the trees of Lebanon,
and may the people thrive like grass in a field."{Pdalm 72:16 NLT}
I would say, that takes care of anymore worries about famine, or starvation in the earth. Let's look for more blessings:
Double reasons for the Blind and the deaf to be happy.
5 "And when he comes, he will open the eyes of the blind
and unplug the ears of the deaf.: {Isaiah 35:5;42:7NLT}
24"'And no inhabitant will say, "I am sick";
the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity."{isaiah 33:24 ESV}
We have now promises now for an united earth, speaking one pure language of truth, with an abundance of food, and no famine or starvation, a healing for the deaf and the blind, with no one at all complaining about being ill. Best of all! The following:
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."{Revelation 21:4 ESV}
26"The last enemy to be destroyed is death."{1 Corinthians 15:26 ASV}
"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades {The Grave} were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."{Revelation 20: 12-14 ESV}
Now Adamic Death comes to an end, being as death and hades {the grave} are thrown into the lake of fire and forever done away with.
All of this would appear to be the impossible dream, wouldn't it? The real truth of the matter, is, it's an absolute realtity, no dream at all. Certainly never impossible, for nothing is impossible for Jehovah God. {Luke 18:27} {Mark 10:27}
What effect will all of this have on the people of this World when it's all finally realised? On the World itself? Isaiah will tell us that:
"Now all the world is at peace; its people are celebrating with joyful songs."{Isaiah 14:7 CEV}
This is something that satan never wanted for Mankind; a World at Complete Peace, with happy joyous people living on it forever.
Those conditions will exist because now, the entire World of Makind is obedient to the one who planted the Garden of Eden, whose full intention and purpose at that time, was to fill the earth, with happy joyous Humans all in subjection and obedient to him. Living forever on a Paradise earth, such as was the Garden of Eden. We will now have the opportunity to carry out the Command Jehovah issued to the pair in the Garden. "Be fruitful become many and fill the earth." With his blessing on that command. {Genesis 1:28}
What about, though, the one that has caused Mankind such misery for so many Centuries? Picture in your mind, {but hope it never occurrs} receiving a prison sentence, of, say, two life sentences back to back to run consecutive. Imagine the mental anguish and torment such a prison sentence would cause you? What occurrs in the case of satan is much worse than that; for he will be chained and Abyssed for an entire Thousand year period, rendered powerless to do anything, but remain confined. So, for all the misery he's caused, he himself will now get a lesson in misery, and will learn first hand, what misery is all about; and well deserved. Pardon the pun, but that expression: "What goes around, comes around," fits very nicely here doesn't it, and proves the truth of it? {Revelation 20:1-3} The sad truth, is, though, he's going to be running loose again at the end of the Thousand year period, at which time he once again misleads a great crowd of unfaithful ones, at which time they all are destroyed, and Genesis 3:15 is finally fulfilled to completion when the Christ throws satan into the lake of Fire; forever destroying him. {Revelation 20:7-10}
This act of the Christ of bruising satan in the head will fulfill to completion Jehovah's words to satan in the garden of Eden, and brings the words of Paul now cited, to final fulfillment, when everything has been returned to it's natural order:
24"Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 or he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."{1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NIV}
It all began with the words of Jehovah at Genesis 3:15, it all ends with the final fulfillment of those words, as we see the Christ has done. Has yet to do, at the end of his thousand year reign.
We look forward to now the beginning of the Thousand year reign, a time of Unbounded Joy, Peace, and Plenty, The prize of everlasting life for all humanity. Let no one rob you of that prize! Make any sacrifice you must make, because there's nothing of any value in this devil ruled World, worth giving up that prize for. Absolutely nothing! Jehovah wants us to have that prize! Jesus wants us to have that prize. So much so, he died, so we could have it. I want to have that prize! I want all of you to want to have that prize. More! I want to see us all get that prize. Wouldn't I, knowing what I know, be the most selfish man in the World, was I to remain silent, and not, at least try to share my knowledge, in an effort to aid others to gain the prize of life, now on the horizon? Wannabe
14
A New Life On The Horizon!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
no one but jehovah would even know the number of dead, because of adam's sin.

{revelation 17:1-11}.

: {isaiah 35:5;42:7nlt}.
wannabe

A New Life on the Horizon!
From the Fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, Mankind has suffered untold miseries. Rivers of tears have flowed, at losing loved ones in death, brought upon us by the first Man's disodience. How many from Adam's time until now that have filled the common Grave of Dead Mankind, is incalculable. No one but Jehovah would even know the number of dead, because of Adam's Sin. Sin that has brought upon Mankind, a number of diseases, that in themselves are too numerous to calculate. Factor in with all of that, the number slaughtered in the Wars of the entire history of this World, with it's resulting famine, and satarvation and death due to that. One article I read at one time while researching this subject, I learned some Five Billion have been killed in the Wars of the History of this World. That was Ten years ago, so what is that number now? Not to forget, the Earthquakes, Fires and Floods, with Storms of every nature, taking an untold toll there as well. Did I say rivers of tears? Try more like Oceans of tears have been cried, by suffering human beings, who themselves never deserved what they were forced to live through. More accurately, die through.
The bottom line is, something is drasticlly wrong on Planet Earth, and desperately needs setting straight. We all know, for every effect, there has to be a cause. Obviously, the cause behind all of these terrible conditions, must be identified and removed; otherwise the conditions we suffer through on a daily basis will always remain a constant fact of life, and living through all of that, could not be called life. At best, abject misery!
One might believe this cause, is difficult to identify, but to the contrary, it`s really very easy to zero in on this cause, and learn just how his removal will be accomplshed. No one can learn the exact date this will occurr, but simply knowing it will, should be sufficient to give us all a hope for a much better future.
Of course many already know who this one that needs removing is; it is the, Òriginal Serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth... Revelation 12:9 ... beginning with Eve in the garden of Eden.
satan had caused the Woman Eve to violate a clear command of Jehovah not to touch the Tree of the knowledge of good and bad, for in the day they touched that Tree, they would die. So they both knew they would die was they to touch that Tree, but went ahead and ate of the fruit without thought for Jehovah's Command, not to touch it, bringing the sentence of death on both of them. As well, passing on that sin and dying condition now, on to all mankind. {Genesis 2:16,17;3:1-7} {Romans 5:12}
So satan had started the Wheel of death spinning, and it's been spinning ever since that first sin, in the Garden of Eden. That is when the River of tears, that would turn into an Ocean of tears, began flowing, with pain suffering death and deseases, as the Waves. Now, rather than happiness, laughter, and Joy, misery mourning sadness and great pain would follow all down through the Centuries. All, as a result of two disobedient Humans, following the lie told by satan. "You will not surely Die." But Die they did! Die, we do now, because they did, and passed it down on to all of us.
One Major event that had to be set straight, was the confusing of the many languages on the plains of Shiner, when they were bulding a Tower into the Heavens. Jehovah did not want them to accomplish the building of that Tower, because they were told to spread throughout the earth. At that time there was only one language, one set of words, but not wanting that Tower built Jehovah at that time confused the language, so now they could no longer work together on that Tower. That caused them to disperse through the earth, as Jehovah had intended. Only now they could not understand one and other. So their progress was severely hampered by their inability to understand one another which is what Jehovah wanted. Because there wasn't anything they couldn't do if they had set their minds to it. While all speaking the one Language. So, that has been a serious drawback for Mankind; not being able to understand the language of each other. True! Some today have mastered many languages, but the average person today will probably speak only his own language, so are unable to intelligently communicate with others of different races. In many ways this presents a serious drawback, and at some point must be dealt with, and that condition must be changed. {Genesis 11:1-8}
It was on the Plains of ancient Shinar in Babylon where all the divided Political Governments we see on earth first began, as well as the conglomeration of divided religions that are in existence, as well. John in the Revelation account likened them all as a Woman sitting on the Back of a Scarlet Colored Wild Beast with seven Heads and Ten Horns, that pictured the run of the World Powers from Egypt right down to the British American World Powers of Today. This Woman John described as Babylon the Great the Mother of the Harlots, and of the disgusting things of the earth. Drunk with the Blood of the Holy Ones and with the Blood of the witnesses of Jesus. Then he tells us, those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So, she is a Religious Institution, at odds with the true followers of the Christ, who by her religious teachings, intoxicates her followers. They are spiritual drunkards, who because of their spiritial drunkeness, persecute the true followers of Jesus, and kill them, as they killed the Christ. So, she has been in existence for many Centuries riding on the Back of that Beast. {Revelation 17:1-11}
So, there's a Religious mess that must be cleaned out, as well as a Political one; all though very much, divided. As Foretold they would be. {Daniel 2:41-43} Combined they make life for the people of this earth, for some, a living nightmare. A Literal Hell on earth. Their Political Ideologies keep them divided and their many varied Relgious Views keep them divided, as a result they are not able to get along with each other, and for Centuries have been at each others throats, fighting viscious Wars; in many cases in the name of God. Bringing great reproach shame and disgrace on his Holy Name. While professing to being Christian's.
The Apostle Paul explains the main reason behind this terrible disorderly condition by telling us that satan is the god of this World, held tightly in his Power, blinding, and misleading, the entire inhabited earth. {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} {1 John5:19} {Revelation 12:9}
At the Battle of Aramageddon; the War of the great Day Of God The Almighty, fought by the Christ, this entire mess will disappear in smoke and fire. Then the repair work will begin:
As you may be standing there a survivor of Armageddon looking back at the destruction, will you stand there feeling deep regret over what has taken place, or will you be filled with joy at what you know is ahead of you now? When suddenly you realise, a brand new earth is just ahead of you, with life with no end in store for you? With Health and strength that you never dreamed possible one could ever obtain. When you know, now there are no more deseases to contend with. Jehovah has put the brakes to the wheel of death you've known for so long is now gone forever. When soon dead loved ones are back in your arms, with tears of joy streaming down their faces, as they hold you close to them. That Parents who have lost their young Children to death are suddely confronted with a Lost Child who is now standing right in front of them grinning from ear to ear: "Hi Mom! Hi Dad!" And they are too busy doing cart-wheels to make a reply right away. When you know now, that when everyone sits down at mealtime, everyone is being fed, no one is doing without, there's plenty for all. When no one is crippled or lame, or blind, or suffering any illnesses at all. Best of all, there's no elderly people; no need of Wheel-Chair's Walker's or Cane's, when everyone is young again. Laughing and Happy!
What would Jehovah require of the survivors of Armageddon to do? There will be plenty of good work to do now. But there's others there of another race or language who you don't understand, who don't understand; you so it would present a problem in getting all the work done, because there's a language barrier. Wouldn't Jehovah have to do the following:
Now it was against Jehovah's Will for those who were building that Tower in the Heavens wasn't it? Because of that he moved to confuse their language, so they couldn't work together to accomplish what they wanted to do, didn't he? But now we have a much different scenario; Jehovah will need us all to be able to understand each other, to accomplsh something he really wants to be done. My guess would be, he would move just as quickly, to restore everyone to one language as existed in the beginning, so that everyone could work together in unison in this instance.
"For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language,
That they all may call on the name of the LORD,
To serve Him with one accord."{Zephabniah 3:9 NKJV}
Now all returned to the one language what other blessings may we look forward to? No longer any divisions caused by Language barriers.
8 "At that time those who can't hear will hear what is read from the scroll. Those who are blind will come out of gloom and darkness. They will be able to see." {Isaiah 29:18 NIRV}
Now we all have the one language that everyone can hear, and the Blind will be able to read any written documents.
Those of us who have good hearing and vision, might not get the full impact of regaining hearing and sight, but as for those who are deaf and Blind their joy will be unspeakable; ours will come from just watching them experience theirs.
So, thus far we have three promises, that will be fulfilled wihout any doubt. A change to a pure language where this entire World will be united in thought pupose and ativity. No more will there be any Deaf or Blind suffering those experiences. Things are looking pretty good up to this point aren't they? Let's go in and look for any more blessings we might just experience under the Kingdom of God. How about this matter of Famine and starvation? What promise is there about that?
7 "May all the godly flourish during his reign.
May there be abundant prosperity until the moon is no more."{Psalm 72:7 NLT}
16 "May there be abundant grain throughout the land,
flourishing even on the hilltops.
May the fruit trees flourish like the trees of Lebanon,
and may the people thrive like grass in a field."{Pdalm 72:16 NLT}
I would say, that takes care of anymore worries about famine, or starvation in the earth. Let's look for more blessings:
Double reasons for the Blind and the deaf to be happy.
5 "And when he comes, he will open the eyes of the blind
and unplug the ears of the deaf.: {Isaiah 35:5;42:7NLT}
24"'And no inhabitant will say, "I am sick";
the people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity."{isaiah 33:24 ESV}
We have now promises now for an united earth, speaking one pure language of truth, with an abundance of food, and no famine or starvation, a healing for the deaf and the blind, with no one at all complaining about being ill. Best of all! The following:
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away."{Revelation 21:4 ESV}
26"The last enemy to be destroyed is death."{1 Corinthians 15:26 ASV}
"And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades {The Grave} were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire."{Revelation 20: 12-14 ESV}
Now Adamic Death comes to an end, being as death and hades {the grave} are thrown into the lake of fire and forever done away with.
All of this would appear to be the impossible dream, wouldn't it? The real truth of the matter, is, it's an absolute realtity, no dream at all. Certainly never impossible, for nothing is impossible for Jehovah God. {Luke 18:27} {Mark 10:27}
What effect will all of this have on the people of this World when it's all finally realised? On the World itself? Isaiah will tell us that:
"Now all the world is at peace; its people are celebrating with joyful songs."{Isaiah 14:7 CEV}
This is something that satan never wanted for Mankind; a World at Complete Peace, with happy joyous people living on it forever.
Those conditions will exist because now, the entire World of Makind is obedient to the one who planted the Garden of Eden, whose full intention and purpose at that time, was to fill the earth, with happy joyous Humans all in subjection and obedient to him. Living forever on a Paradise earth, such as was the Garden of Eden. We will now have the opportunity to carry out the Command Jehovah issued to the pair in the Garden. "Be fruitful become many and fill the earth." With his blessing on that command. {Genesis 1:28}
What about, though, the one that has caused Mankind such misery for so many Centuries? Picture in your mind, {but hope it never occurrs} receiving a prison sentence, of, say, two life sentences back to back to run consecutive. Imagine the mental anguish and torment such a prison sentence would cause you? What occurrs in the case of satan is much worse than that; for he will be chained and Abyssed for an entire Thousand year period, rendered powerless to do anything, but remain confined. So, for all the misery he's caused, he himself will now get a lesson in misery, and will learn first hand, what misery is all about; and well deserved. Pardon the pun, but that expression: "What goes around, comes around," fits very nicely here doesn't it, and proves the truth of it? {Revelation 20:1-3} The sad truth, is, though, he's going to be running loose again at the end of the Thousand year period, at which time he once again misleads a great crowd of unfaithful ones, at which time they all are destroyed, and Genesis 3:15 is finally fulfilled to completion when the Christ throws satan into the lake of Fire; forever destroying him. {Revelation 20:7-10}
This act of the Christ of bruising satan in the head will fulfill to completion Jehovah's words to satan in the garden of Eden, and brings the words of Paul now cited, to final fulfillment, when everything has been returned to it's natural order:
24"Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 or he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."{1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NIV}
It all began with the words of Jehovah at Genesis 3:15, it all ends with the final fulfillment of those words, as we see the Christ has done. Has yet to do, at the end of his thousand year reign.
We look forward to now the beginning of the Thousand year reign, a time of Unbounded Joy, Peace, and Plenty, The prize of everlasting life for all humanity. Let no one rob you of that prize! Make any sacrifice you must make, because there's nothing of any value in this devil ruled World, worth giving up that prize for. Absolutely nothing! Jehovah wants us to have that prize! Jesus wants us to have that prize. So much so, he died, so we could have it. I want to have that prize! I want all of you to want to have that prize. More! I want to see us all get that prize. Wouldn't I, knowing what I know, be the most selfish man in the World, was I to remain silent, and not, at least try to share my knowledge, in an effort to aid others to gain the prize of life, now on the horizon? Wannabe
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Will it all come true?
by wannabe in
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" {matthew24:44 niv}.

{mark 13:33} {luke 12:40 niv}.

peter will tell us that:.
wannabe

Will it All Come True?
Can it be expected that the People of our World today, will really believe, that this entire World is on the brink of destruction; and the War of the Great Day of God The Almighty, at Armageddon is looming on the horizen? How did the People of the period of the Global Flood react to Noah's Ark building campaing? Since the Bible tells us that Noah was 'a preacher of righteous.' he must have been delivering them a warning message; but even was that not to be true, the Building of the Ark itself was screaming out a loud warning message. Was any attention paid by them at that time to Noah and his building campaign? According to Jesus, obviously not, note what he has to tell us:
37"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." {Matthew 24:37-39 NIV}
Obviously they were to occupied with the cares of life to give Noah any notice. That proved out to be very costly for them, swept away in the flood, as they all were. According to the words of Jesus, it will be exactly the same way when he returns very suddenly. All caught by complete surprise when they least expect it.
"So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." {Matthew24:44 NIV}
Not even his close personal followers would be exempt from being taken by surprise; even they had to be awake and on the watch. {Mark 13:33} {Luke 12:40 NIV}
What was the attitude foretold that the people of this World now in these last days, were to display?
3 "First of all, here is what you must understand. In the last days people will make fun of the truth. They will laugh at it. They will follow their own evil longings. they will say, "Where is this 'return' he promised? Everything goes on in the same way it has since our people of long ago died. In fact, it has continued that way since God first created everything." {2 Peter 3:3,4 NIRV}
What would it be that these people are failing to appreciate? Peter will tell us that:
5"But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men." {2 Peter 3:5-7 IV}
So, Peter is telling us, that just as that one World Destruction swept all the wicked unGodly away in the flood period, because God's Word had decreed that, we can bet, that same word spoken in this case, will see fulfillment with out fail, because Jehovah's word never goes unfulfilled. {Isaiah 55:10,11} This following scripture makes that crystal clear"
45 "Not a single one of all the good promises the Lord had given to the family of Israel was left unfulfilled; everything he had spoken came true." {Joshua 21:45 NLT}
With that in mind it does well to consider the words of Jesus to those early Jews. He gave two Prophecies concerning the destruction that was to come upon ancient Jerusalem that were fulfilled in detail: The first one next was General Cestius Gallus leading the Roman Army, who was beaten back by the Jews, losing thousands of men in his retreat from that City. This occurred in 66AD - Notice how Jesus foretells this event:
20 "And when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then you will know that the time of its destruction has arrived. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. Those in Jerusalem must get out, and those out in the country should not return to the city."{Luke 21:20,21 NLT}
The fact that he was beaten back, gave the Jews who had paid attention to the warning Jesus gave, fled that City, while many never listened to what Jesus had said, and remained in that condemned City. 1 Million 100 Thousand lost their lives four years later. The fulfillment of these Prophecies are recorded events of History. The Apostle Peter speaks of these as Judgements on God's Household next, prior to their occurrences
17" For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News?"{1 Peter 4:17 NLT}
This Judgement would be the fulfillment of the words of Jesus to those Jews: The first attack on Jerusalem, done by Cestius Gallus in 66 AD when his Army surrounded Jerusalem. That was the time to flee into the hills; after Cestius Gallus had been driven back. When he was, they would naturally flee the City. What happened four years later, when those who failed to heed the word of Jesus? Over 1 Million of them slaughtered, by General Titus and his Army. Both recorded events in our Books of History. Notice first the words of Jesus foretelling their destruction:
41" But as he came closer to Jerusalem and saw the city ahead, he began to weep. 42 "How I wish today that you of all people would understand the way to peace. But now it is too late, and peace is hidden from your eyes. 43 Before long your enemies will build ramparts against your walls and encircle you and close in on you from every side. 44 They will crush you into the ground, and your children with you. Your enemies will not leave a single stone in place, because you did not accept your opportunity for salvation."{Luke 19:41-44 NLT} These ones failed to follow the direction that Jesus had given them, to flee, when opportunity presented itself.
"Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. Those in Jerusalem must get out, and those out in the country should not return to the city." {Luke 21:21}
These next words of Jesus were fulfilled in 70AD when Titus leading the Roman Army completely destroyed the City of Jerusalem:
1"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you." {Luke 19:41-44 NIV}
I've copied two excerpts from the Wikipdeia Encyclopedia just to show that, these two events Jesus foretold are a matter of History, and anyone who so desires can go in and read up on them for themselves. If this destruction came on the house of God, as foretold it would, then just as surely, the destruction of our World System of things will be totally wiped out at the Battle of Aramageddon; for it too was foretold by God's Prophet, and God Himself. With out fail it will come true. Now for my excerps from the Wikipedia Encyclopedia:
"As soon as Agrippa departed, Eleazar, commander of the Temple began trouble. He made a proposal that henceforth no sacrifices be offered in the Temple for Gentiles. This was done in the past to ask God's blessing and favor on the Roman Emperor. The purpose of Eleazar to stop this was to insult Nero. According to history, leading Jews tried to prevent this action. The doctors of the Law pleaded with the people at a mass meeting in the Temple. They were not successful. Fanatics among the priest and Levites ceased all sacrifices at that time. Josephus reports this was the beginning of open rebellion. According to Jewish records, the Sanhedrin sent off a request to Florus and Agrippa to send military aid. No help came! But because of the trouble brewing, Roman General Cestius Gallus assembled an army of 40,000 soldiers in Antioch, Syria, and they arrived at the walls of Jerusalem in September 66AD.
The Roman General was shocked at the resistance. He thought the people would surrender. He attacked the well fortified city. But the Jews defended the city and withstood all attempts to make them surrender. While the siege was tremendous with 40,000 men camped as far as the eye could see, there was no great tribulation at this time. Not many deaths, no starvation, no famines, no water turned into blood, no earthquakes, and no seals opened, trumpets sounded, or vials poured out. Having failed in this effort, Gallus departed to Caesarea before the year was over. In his flight from the city of Jerusalem, Jews took after him and killed 6,000 of his troops.
Word of the defeat of Gallus reached Rome in the spring of 67AD. Nero picked Titus Flavius Vespasian to put Israel back under Roman Tribute and control.
Finally in the spring of 70AD the emperor appointed his son Titus as General over the Roman troops still in Syrian and Israel. Another sizable army was organized and Titus swung down through Samaria and came to the walls of Jerusalem arriving in April. In a few short weeks there was a breach in the walls of the lower city. But the tower of Antonia and the temple fortifications offered great resistance. Titus decided to build a earthen wall around the city and starve the Jews. This failed and an assault was launched against the tower of Antonia which fell into Roman hands on July 5, 70AD. The Temple came immediately under attack and fell on August 10, 70AD. The upper city fell on September 7, 70AD and the capture of Jerusalem was over.
Just as Jesus Foretold. Titus built that embankment around that City, and carried out every word that Jesus had predicted. So, the judgement on God's House came, as Peter mention it would. That being the case, what does This World lying in the power and control of satan have to look forward to? Nothing very pleasant from my understanding of scripture.
18 "Their silver and their gold
will not be able to rescue them
on the day of the LORD's wrath.
The whole earth will be consumed
by the fire of His jealousy.
For He will make a complete,
yes, a horrifying end
of all the inhabitants of the earth." {Zephaniah 1:14-18} HCSB}
Will it all come true? Ezekiel the Prophet thinks so, and I feel it safe to say, he knew what he was talking about when he said the following:
33 "When all this comes true—and it surely will—then they will know that a prophet has been among them." {Ezekiel 33:33 NIV}
So! Will it all come true? For an absolute certainty Wannabe.
07:39:0707:39:08
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Will it all come true?
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
" {matthew24:44 niv}.

{mark 13:33} {luke 12:40 niv}.

peter will tell us that:.
wannabe

Will it All Come True?
Can it be expected that the People of our World today, will really believe, that this entire World is on the brink of destruction; and the War of the Great Day of God The Almighty, at Armageddon is looming on the horizen? How did the People of the period of the Global Flood react to Noah's Ark building campaing? Since the Bible tells us that Noah was 'a preacher of righteous.' he must have been delivering them a warning message; but even was that not to be true, the Building of the Ark itself was screaming out a loud warning message. Was any attention paid by them at that time to Noah and his building campaign? According to Jesus, obviously not, note what he has to tell us:
37"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." {Matthew 24:37-39 NIV}
Obviously they were to occupied with the cares of life to give Noah any notice. That proved out to be very costly for them, swept away in the flood, as they all were. According to the words of Jesus, it will be exactly the same way when he returns very suddenly. All caught by complete surprise when they least expect it.
"So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." {Matthew24:44 NIV}
Not even his close personal followers would be exempt from being taken by surprise; even they had to be awake and on the watch. {Mark 13:33} {Luke 12:40 NIV}
What was the attitude foretold that the people of this World now in these last days, were to display?
3 "First of all, here is what you must understand. In the last days people will make fun of the truth. They will laugh at it. They will follow their own evil longings. they will say, "Where is this 'return' he promised? Everything goes on in the same way it has since our people of long ago died. In fact, it has continued that way since God first created everything." {2 Peter 3:3,4 NIRV}
What would it be that these people are failing to appreciate? Peter will tell us that:
5"But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men." {2 Peter 3:5-7 IV}
So, Peter is telling us, that just as that one World Destruction swept all the wicked unGodly away in the flood period, because God's Word had decreed that, we can bet, that same word spoken in this case, will see fulfillment with out fail, because Jehovah's word never goes unfulfilled. {Isaiah 55:10,11} This following scripture makes that crystal clear"
45 "Not a single one of all the good promises the Lord had given to the family of Israel was left unfulfilled; everything he had spoken came true." {Joshua 21:45 NLT}
With that in mind it does well to consider the words of Jesus to those early Jews. He gave two Prophecies concerning the destruction that was to come upon ancient Jerusalem that were fulfilled in detail: The first one next was General Cestius Gallus leading the Roman Army, who was beaten back by the Jews, losing thousands of men in his retreat from that City. This occurred in 66AD - Notice how Jesus foretells this event:
20 "And when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then you will know that the time of its destruction has arrived. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. Those in Jerusalem must get out, and those out in the country should not return to the city."{Luke 21:20,21 NLT}
The fact that he was beaten back, gave the Jews who had paid attention to the warning Jesus gave, fled that City, while many never listened to what Jesus had said, and remained in that condemned City. 1 Million 100 Thousand lost their lives four years later. The fulfillment of these Prophecies are recorded events of History. The Apostle Peter speaks of these as Judgements on God's Household next, prior to their occurrences
17" For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News?"{1 Peter 4:17 NLT}
This Judgement would be the fulfillment of the words of Jesus to those Jews: The first attack on Jerusalem, done by Cestius Gallus in 66 AD when his Army surrounded Jerusalem. That was the time to flee into the hills; after Cestius Gallus had been driven back. When he was, they would naturally flee the City. What happened four years later, when those who failed to heed the word of Jesus? Over 1 Million of them slaughtered, by General Titus and his Army. Both recorded events in our Books of History. Notice first the words of Jesus foretelling their destruction:
41" But as he came closer to Jerusalem and saw the city ahead, he began to weep. 42 "How I wish today that you of all people would understand the way to peace. But now it is too late, and peace is hidden from your eyes. 43 Before long your enemies will build ramparts against your walls and encircle you and close in on you from every side. 44 They will crush you into the ground, and your children with you. Your enemies will not leave a single stone in place, because you did not accept your opportunity for salvation."{Luke 19:41-44 NLT} These ones failed to follow the direction that Jesus had given them, to flee, when opportunity presented itself.
"Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. Those in Jerusalem must get out, and those out in the country should not return to the city." {Luke 21:21}
These next words of Jesus were fulfilled in 70AD when Titus leading the Roman Army completely destroyed the City of Jerusalem:
1"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you." {Luke 19:41-44 NIV}
I've copied two excerpts from the Wikipdeia Encyclopedia just to show that, these two events Jesus foretold are a matter of History, and anyone who so desires can go in and read up on them for themselves. If this destruction came on the house of God, as foretold it would, then just as surely, the destruction of our World System of things will be totally wiped out at the Battle of Aramageddon; for it too was foretold by God's Prophet, and God Himself. With out fail it will come true. Now for my excerps from the Wikipedia Encyclopedia:
"As soon as Agrippa departed, Eleazar, commander of the Temple began trouble. He made a proposal that henceforth no sacrifices be offered in the Temple for Gentiles. This was done in the past to ask God's blessing and favor on the Roman Emperor. The purpose of Eleazar to stop this was to insult Nero. According to history, leading Jews tried to prevent this action. The doctors of the Law pleaded with the people at a mass meeting in the Temple. They were not successful. Fanatics among the priest and Levites ceased all sacrifices at that time. Josephus reports this was the beginning of open rebellion. According to Jewish records, the Sanhedrin sent off a request to Florus and Agrippa to send military aid. No help came! But because of the trouble brewing, Roman General Cestius Gallus assembled an army of 40,000 soldiers in Antioch, Syria, and they arrived at the walls of Jerusalem in September 66AD.
The Roman General was shocked at the resistance. He thought the people would surrender. He attacked the well fortified city. But the Jews defended the city and withstood all attempts to make them surrender. While the siege was tremendous with 40,000 men camped as far as the eye could see, there was no great tribulation at this time. Not many deaths, no starvation, no famines, no water turned into blood, no earthquakes, and no seals opened, trumpets sounded, or vials poured out. Having failed in this effort, Gallus departed to Caesarea before the year was over. In his flight from the city of Jerusalem, Jews took after him and killed 6,000 of his troops.
Word of the defeat of Gallus reached Rome in the spring of 67AD. Nero picked Titus Flavius Vespasian to put Israel back under Roman Tribute and control.
Finally in the spring of 70AD the emperor appointed his son Titus as General over the Roman troops still in Syrian and Israel. Another sizable army was organized and Titus swung down through Samaria and came to the walls of Jerusalem arriving in April. In a few short weeks there was a breach in the walls of the lower city. But the tower of Antonia and the temple fortifications offered great resistance. Titus decided to build a earthen wall around the city and starve the Jews. This failed and an assault was launched against the tower of Antonia which fell into Roman hands on July 5, 70AD. The Temple came immediately under attack and fell on August 10, 70AD. The upper city fell on September 7, 70AD and the capture of Jerusalem was over.
Just as Jesus Foretold. Titus built that embankment around that City, and carried out every word that Jesus had predicted. So, the judgement on God's House came, as Peter mention it would. That being the case, what does This World lying in the power and control of satan have to look forward to? Nothing very pleasant from my understanding of scripture.
18 "Their silver and their gold
will not be able to rescue them
on the day of the LORD's wrath.
The whole earth will be consumed
by the fire of His jealousy.
For He will make a complete,
yes, a horrifying end
of all the inhabitants of the earth." {Zephaniah 1:14-18} HCSB}
Will it all come true? Ezekiel the Prophet thinks so, and I feel it safe to say, he knew what he was talking about when he said the following:
33 "When all this comes true—and it surely will—then they will know that a prophet has been among them." {Ezekiel 33:33 NIV}
So! Will it all come true? For an absolute certainty Wannabe.
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What is being trampled on today?
by wannabe in
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jehovah was the king of that city at that time.

" {genesis 3:14,15 niv}.

" {matthew 24:9 niv}.
wannabe

Oh! Yeah!
To be expected I guess Eh? Many intelligent comments, from Oh! So intelligent Christian's! Wannebe
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What is being trampled on today?
by wannabe in
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2. bible
jehovah was the king of that city at that time.

" {genesis 3:14,15 niv}.

" {matthew 24:9 niv}.
wannabe

Oh! Yeah!
To be expected I guess Eh? Many intelligent comments, from Oh! So intelligent Christian's! Wannebe
10
What is being trampled on today?
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. bible
jehovah was the king of that city at that time.

" {genesis 3:14,15 niv}.

" {matthew 24:9 niv}.
wannabe

Oh! Yeah!
To be expected I guess Eh? Many intelligent comments, from Oh! So intelligent Christian's! Wannebe
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What did Luke Mean? "Jerusalem will be trampled on?"
by wannabe in
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we know the christ has 144,000 anointed brothers, who also make up a part of this woman's seed.. paul tells us the promises were spoken to abraham and to his seed, which of course we know was the christ, but was there only one seed belonging to abraham?

"{matthew 23:33-36 niv}.

"{matthew 24:45 niv}.
wannabe

What did Luke Mean? Jerusalm will be Trampled on" ...
For how many Centuries now has satan been the unseen Power as 'god of this World;' holding Authority over the many ruling Dynasties of Kings that have ruled and dominated this earth, to the hurt of earths inhabitants? Along with all of the Religious establishments that have ruled over and dominated their followers, misleading them all on a path of error? It can be said, with certainty, ever since the Fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, satan has held those positions; with his Religious Empire holding sway over all the inhabitants of Mankind. In the beginning it started out with Adam and Eve Worshipping Jehovah; he was their God, they were his two people. As such their Worship was directed only to him. It was, to begin with, true Worship. Of course, it had a very small beginning, with only two people worshipping Jehovah in that Garden. Jehovah's intent though, was for the pair to fill the earth, with righteous perfect individuals like themselves, all Worshipping the ONE GOD of Truth. With his blessing upon them. {Revelation 13:1,2} {Luke 4:5-8}
Had they of remained in that perfect, righteous, sinless condition; what would have come out of the loins of Adam, would have been a race of human beings all Worshipping the One God of Truth, bearing the exact same condition as the pair started out possessing. A human Race of individuals all worshipping the one true God with his blessing upon all of them. True Worship would have been a Global condition. Why isn't it like that now?
Adam and Eve had followed the lie told by satan, and had obeyed satan's slyly designed countermand of Jehovah's true command, not to touch the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil; by saying to the Woman: "Is it really so that God said, you must not eat from every Tree of the Garden" You see! First plant the seed of doubt! Maybe you didn't understand what he meant, sort of thing. Get Eve to think maybe she hadn't understood correctly. So then, she would begin to examine the fruit more closely, and notice how desirable it was to look upon. Perhaps noticing the sweet aroma of it. From there an easy matter to take that first bite. Along comes Adam, he follows Eve's lead and he eats of the fruit because he knows she has, already eaten of it. {John 8:44}
Not to last very long, sad to say. satan, by misleading the Woman Eve, caused her to violate one of Jehovah's clear commands, not to eat of a certain Tree; for the moment they did that they would die. Adam too had followed the lead of his Wife, Eve, and he ate right along with her, bringing the penalty of death on themselves and on all Mankind.
Now satan had a World of humans that would come out of the loins of Adam, and because the pair had deviated from the true worship of Jehovah, would be born now, like Adam and his Wife; now dying sinners, not worshipping the true God, but worshipping satan the devil, because now, he, satan, was god of the World. Adam now cut off from the Tree of life could only pass on to Mankind all he possessed. A legacy of sin and death. A world filled with mortal humans subject to death worshipping the devil. {Romans 5:12} {2 Corinthians 4:3,4}
Many will very probably disagree with me on this following point, but the Pair as Jehovah had said: "The day you eat of it, you will surely die." Die they did that very day. Even though they lived on to populate the earth for a time. When Jehovah makes any statement what-so-ever, you know it's carved in stone. For without fail it will come true. That very day they both were dead in Jehovah's eyes, for violating his express command, not to touch the Tree. That is seen by the Angel he had placed to gaurd the way to theTree of Life. They were cut off from the source of life so were as good as dead, because Jehovah had told them they would be. When he makes any statement what-so-ever; take it to the Bank, it's as good as done. {Isaiah 55:10,11} {Genesis 2:16,17;3:1-7,15,24}
Right from the Garden of Eden, this entire World has been been held in the power of satan the devil! He has blinded and misled the entire inhabited earth! Every succeedding generation from Adam's Day, up until right now, has been under the power and control of the devil, blinded and misled by him. Like it! Don't like it! That's the way it is, and has been for some 6000 years now. {1 John 5:19} {Revelation 12:9} {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} Everything on this Planet today, belongs to satan the devil. The greedy Commercial Empire, the greedy Political Empire, and the even greedier Relgious Empire. It all belongs to satan.
Does this mean that Jehovah doesn't have a people on this earth today? No! It does not! Jehovah has always had his faithful ones on this earth. Abel, for one! Enoch for another who pleased God so well Jehovah took him. Doesn't say where. Just took him.
Along with those, Abraham Isaac, Jacob, King David, and a host of others metioned in Hebrews 11. There was also Noah! Moses! Lot!
Let us not forget God's Son, Jesus Christ! The Twelve Apostles! All of the first Century Christian's. Steven, for another who was stoned to death because of his faithfulness. Then the chosen ones metioned by Jesus at Matthew 24:24-
Then there's Jehovah's sentence passed on satan to consider that really, when looked closely at, reveals a great deal, that might just ordinariy be missed.
Notice first the mention of a Woman, who has a seed, that 's at enmity with the seed of the devil. So, we have two seeds to consider. One belonging to the devil, the other the Woman's.
15"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel."{Genesis 3:15 DT}
Both Seeds are Religious entities, opposed to one another. There's a hatred between them both. We know the principle or main seed was, or is, the Christ. According to the following words of Paul:
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." {Galatians 3:16 NIV} So, that's settled. The Christ is the primary seed. We know the Christ has 144,000 Anointed Brothers, who also make up a part of this Woman's seed.
Paul tells us the Promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed, which of course we know was the Christ, but was there only one seed belonging to Abraham? No! There was many, many more! The promise Jehovah made here to Abraham, he made also to Isaac and Jacob.
"The Angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not with-held your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."{Genesis 22:15-18 NIV} Genesis 26:1-4;28:10-14}
I will point out at this point, all of the faithful worthys of old will be resurrected to life back here on earth, and all of these are said to belong to the Christ, due to the fact it is he that resurrects them all. So they are all Abraham's Seed, due to that fact. All of these looked forward to gaining the better ressurection. They considered disgrace for the Christ of greater treasure than the treasures of Egypt. That was the viewpoint of Moses, it would have been the same with all of them.
"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."{Galatians 3:29 NIV}
35"Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection."{Hebrews 11:35 NIV}
24"By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh's daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward." {Hebrews 11:24-26 NIV}
Think about this for a moment! We know the prime seed was the Christ. We know the secondary seed would be his anointed Brothers; and we know all were to rule as King Priests. Ruling as Kings as they will be, constitutes them all, as the City of the living God, heavenly New Jerusalem. Or Jerusalem above.
As regards the Ancient worthies who will be resurrected to life on earth, being the seed of the Woman, would constitute them as Earthly Jerusalem. Where the Throne of Jehovah was. Where his Kings sat on his Throne in that City. Being as it is, they are the seed of the Woman as well. {1 Chronicles 23:29}
When was the hatred or enmity for this Seed first displayed? Was not Abel a part of the seed of the Woman who represented Jerusalem? So Cain was the first murderer of the seed of the Woman, was he not? Did not the trampling on earthly Jerusalem begin with that first murder of the seed of the Woman? Abel; in this case picturing Jerusalem, being as he was part of the seed of the Woman? How long has the butchery of the seed of the Woman been going on, and will it go on? Jesus told us right up until his Coming into kingdom power, that hatred and murder would be going on. {Matthew 24:9} {Revelation 12:1-17} Who did he hold responsible for most of the hatred and murder?
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? {Gehenna} 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."{Matthew 23:33-36 NIV}
Was Jesus to be delivering the words of Luke at Chapter 21:24 do you in your wildest dreams believe that Jesus would tell us that, that Nation of Jerusalem, was being trampled on? They were themselves the tramplers. Remember! They Killed him! They Stoned Steven to death! They hounded, hated, and persecuted the true followers of Jesus. They were a Nation of murderers. "Snakes and vipers" Jesus called them. In other words they had reverted over to demon worship. Can you trample on that? Tell me yes, I'll laugh in your face. How could they be trampled on by the Nations? They were the Nations! Doing exactly what the Nations did. Offered thier sacrifices to demons and not to God.
As far as the seven times of Daniels Prophecy was concerned all that pointed to was the end of the reign of Jehovah's line of earthly Kings until the installation of his Heavenly King, the ruler of the City of the living God, Heavenly New Jerusalem; the Jerusalem above, headed by the seed of the Woman. It had absolutely nothing to do with the appointed times of the Nations, because those particular times could not end until Jehovah's Chosen King took active rulership of God's Kingdom, and stood up as Michael the Archangel. Even when the King of God's Kingdom stands up and takes ACTIVE rulership the foretold hatred, persecution, and murder, is still going on against the seed of the heavenly Woman. It was actually a part of the composite sign of the COMING of Christ in kingdom power.
As far as Christ being invisibly present in 1914, that too is just so much bunk. The reason being he has been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first Century. Remember please, he had finished the work his Father had given him to do. {John 17:4} He had conquered the World, according to his own words. {John 16:33} As a world conquerer, he had sat down at his Fathers right hand, and had received his Crown, and he said himself: "To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my Throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his Throne." {Revelation 3:21} Now, reasonably! What do his 144,000 anointed Brothers become when they sit down with Jesus on his Throne? They become crowned Kings, do they not? So what is Jesus who himself has conquered and sat down with his Father on his Throne? He too has become a crowned King, correct? When did Jesus first sit down down there? In the first Century after his ascension, correct? So he's been wearing that crown ever since he ascended. How long was he to sit at his Fathers right hand before becoming an active ruling King? Until the words of Psalm 110:1,2 were fulfilled correct? "Until I make your enemies a stool for your feet." When he hears the words: "Go subduing in the midst of your enemies." Michael will stand up and become an active ruling King of God's Kingdom. {Daniel 12:1}
As that ruling King, when he's again finished his work of fighting the War of the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon, and satan's entire empire is wiped from the face of this earth, it will be then the Trampling on Jerusalem will end forever. satan will be chained and abyssed; no longer able to mislead the Nations anymore until the Thousand years has ended. No longer able to persecute and murder the seed of the Heavenly Woman. The Jerusalem Luke was talking about when he said:... "and Jerusalem {the Seed} will be be trampled on by the Nations until the appointed times of the Nations are fulfilled." They will be fulfilled at Armageddon. Do you know the date for that big event? Perhaps if you did, you'd be able to put an exact number to those times. Since you do not! You cannot! Now can you? {Revelation 16:14-16;20:1-3,7-10}
So, the Trampling on Jerusalem, turns out to be, the foretold enmity between the two seeds. The Seed of Satan. The Seed of the Woman. Which Woman's Seed represented the Jerusalem spoken of by Luke. How wrong a false Prophet can be,when they begin toying with Jehovah's Holy Word. Even worse! How dangerous for those that swallow the lies of these false Prophets.
15 "Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen´na twice as much so as yourselves." {Matthew 23:15 NWT}
A very sad ending for those who believe, the Governing Bodies teaching, that the appointed times of the Nations began in 607 BCE, because was that teaching to be correct, then Michael would have stood up in 1914 and become an active ruling King of God's Kingdom, in that he already was invisibly present in the first century, and all that remained was for him was to stand up and take the reigns of power. So, if you're happy with being twice as much a subject for Ge-hen'na, I'm quite happy to give you my share of that. All I can say is: "Enjoy the Lie, if it's the lie that you love."
As for us today, since it is the New Covenant in force today, and has to do with Heavenly New Jerusalem, the Jerusalem above, established on the Blood of the primary seed of the Woman; that is the Jerusalem Luke was making reference to; it could never have been earthly Jerusalem that was at issue, because, like Nebuchadnezzer, who received his Kingship back, the Kingship was not restored to earthly Jerusalem, but as made crystal clear here, was restored as a Heavenly Kingdom. Heavenly New Jerusalem, that was recieving the Trampling on by the Nations. As a matter of fact, that Trampling is still in progress right now at this time, and certainly never ended in the year 1914, as taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses that it did end in that year.
It's merely another Watchtower blunder which at this time they have had great experience at making those. 130 years of failed predictions and false prophecies qualifies them as very probably the best false prophet that's ever braced the scene, in that, they actually do look like a true prophet of Jehovah God.
Looks, though can be exposed! As can be false teachings, as I'll show"
Now , the Governing Body will tell us that they are the appointed Faithful Slave of the Parable in Matthew 24:45- Lets look deeply at that scripture, and compare it with one other I already have in mind to see if they are what they lay claim to being. First the one in Matthew-
"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."{Matthew 24:45 NWT}
Okay! their claim is they are saying without actually coming right out and saying it, that they are appointed over God's House to dispense the spiritual food to the other members of the house at the proper time, That much is pretty clear isn't it? Now look at this other scripture that I had in mind:
1 "Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess—Jesus. 2 He was faithful to the One that made him such, as Moses was also in all the house of that One. 3 For the latter is counted worthy of more glory than Moses, in-as-much as he who constructs it has more honor than the house. 4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God. 5 And Moses as an attendant was faithful in all the house of that One as a testimony of the things that were to be spoken afterwards, 6 but Christ [was faithful] as a Son over the house of that One. We are the house of that One, if we make fast our hold on our freeness of speech and our boasting over the hope firm to the end." {Hebrews 3:1-6 NWT}
Notice here how Jesus is compared with Moses, who was in early times appointed over God's House, but then it tells us to view Jesus as having more honor than Moses. Worthy of more glory. Then we learn that it is Jesus was faithful as a Son OVER God's House. Then Paul tells us, "We are the HOUSE of that one." So it is Jesus who is appointed over God's House according to Paul's words here. The rest of his brother's constitute the HOUSE itself.
Recall the Faithful Slave was appointed over the domestics to give them their food at the proper time. So the domestics would have been members of the household, but not appointed over it.
They, as a body, would constitute the House, but dependent on the one appointed over the house for thier spiritual feeding. In this case Jesus was the one appointed over the house, that much is clear, is it not? I mean we have the Faithful Slave on the one hand on the other the domestics. Or as Paul said: "We are the House."So the house are the domestics, clear? The one appointed over them we learned was Jesus. So, don't know if you follow or not, but Jesus was the Faithful Slave. To
administer the food at the proper time. Certainly not the Governing Body as they claim.
Now I used the Jehovah's Witness Bible to show you that scripture in Matthew 24:45, but look how the picture changes using the NIV Bible.
"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?"{Matthew 24:45 NIV}
Now we have a wise servant put in charge of the servants in the household. By the Master. Quite a difference now, isn't there?
Reading the New World translation, would you think to ask, Just whose household is in question here? Who is the Master referred to? Who is the wise servant?
To cut to the chase. The household belongs to Jehovah God. The wise servant is the Christ. The servants are members of God's Household. Showing the Governing Body is nothing more than a self-exalted false Prophet. That being the case, none of their teachings can, nor should be trusted. More particularly the appoint times subject.
We notice, at the time God's Kingdom actually does come into power, when the War in heaven is fought and satan and his demons are cast down to our earth, the Trampling on Jerusalem, the Seed of the Woman is going on with a vengeance, as satan goes off to wage War with them. So the age-old hatred is still going on even at this time. But foretold to go on by Jesus when he gave the sign of his coming. Notice Johns words:
Top of Form 1
"And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." {Revelation 12:17 NWT}
So the hatred for the Woman is alive and well at this time, as the words of Jesus at Matthew 24:9 are being fulfilled, and the trampling on the Seed that pictured Jerusalem comes to a Boil, and just as Jehovah foretold in his words to satan the devil, violent persecution and murder breaks out against the seed of the Woman, as the age old ennmity or hatred is displayed on a World-Wide Scale. Note the words of Jesus on this very thing, note also why the hatred:
Now all the Nations are brought into the picture, displaying the foretold enmity Jehovah foretold at Genesis 3:15 and why the hatred? Jesus said: "Because of my name." What did the name of Jesus represent? He was Jehovah's designated King, was he not? King of What? The City of the living God. Heavenly New Jerusalem! The Jerusalem above. The Jerusalem Luke was making making reference to when he said: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Nations until the appointed times of the Nations are fulfilled." {Luke 21:24}
Bottom of Form 19 "Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." {Matthew 24:9-14 NWT}
Now! What do the words , Fulfill signify in this case at this time?
ful·filled
, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises. 2. To carry out (an order, for example). 3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform satisfy. 4.
To bring to an end; complete.
Jesus was here telling us about conditions that would exist just prior to his taking Kingdom Power, it would be at this time the appointed times of the Nations along with their violent hatred for the Woman and her seed would finally come to an end. Armageddon would end the appointed times of the Nations once and for all. Those times would be finally fulfilled, or ended. Now, obviously, those times are still in progress. That is quite clear! So, if they are still running at this time, the seven times Prophecy could not possibly be applied to the words of Luke at Luke 21:24.
I have already shown what Daniels Prophecy pointed to in other articles I've done and put on the Boards, and it had abslolutely nothing to do with the Appointed times of the Nations. I can prove that! I Already have. But if I must, I'll do it again. Just for the sake of the unbelievers.
When satan and all of these hateful Nations, that have sacrificed to him, for the many Centuries of their existence are removed from this earth, so will end the hatred for the Woman and her seed, and the Trampling on Jerusalem, will be fulfilled; ended.
This all begets the question; since it's the Jerusalem above that's now experiencing this Trampling by the Nations, at what point would this particular Trampling begin? What might direct our attention to that particular Date? Consider now, if you will, Pauls words in the following scripture:
16"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ."{Galatians 3:16 NIV}
So, the principle or main seed would be the Christ is that not true? We know that the Christ was murdered by the seed of satan, don't we? His execution took place in the first Century, we all know that as well. His death established the New Covenant, by virtue of his Blood. Now the way was open for all the Nations to come in under that New Covenant. Some also from among the Nations would now have opportunity to gain Heavenly Life, and rule as King Priests with the Christ, along with those chosen out of the Jewish Nation. Now, since the Christ was the Principle ruling King of God's Kingdom; would he not now be the ruling head of Heavenly Mount Zion, and Heavenly New Jerusalem? The City of the Living God? The Jerusalem above? All of that being true, would not the Christ himself picture the Jerusalem that was being trampled on, in that he was the one who suffered the extreme hatred Jehovah foretold in Genesis 3:15? By being murdered by the seed of satan the devil, by receiving as he did the foretold heel wound, instigated by the seed of satan? Which turned out to be the Jewish Nation? Now, lets face it, if any Jerusalem was to be trampled on, it had to be heavenly New Jerusalem, which trampling would begin at the execution of the Christ. Afterall was he himself not the promised seed of the Woman? Who would be at enmity with the seed of satan? One to receive a mere heel wound, the other a fatal head wound? As far as I'm concerned, that wraps it all up, and shows the Governing Bodies interpretation of Luke 21:24, is so flawed, it's laughable.
We now should be able to see what had occurred here. satan had started the Ball rolling, as can be seen by Jehovah's words to him at Genesis 3:15- because of that sentence passed on satan, Cain ended up with the enmity foretold by Jehovah, against his righteous brother Abel, displaying that hatefull disposition when he murdered Abel. He was the seed of satan. That seed contintinued to exist all down through the days of the Israelite Nation under the old Law Covenant. They too were of the seed of satan, because they persecuted and murdered the Prophets Jehovah sent to warn them away from their wicked ways. Evidenced by these following scriptures. {2 Chronicles 36:15,16} {Matthew 23:33-36}
When the Christ came on the scene, because he was the seed of the Woman, the hatred or enmity reverted over to him, and those under the new Covenant, and the enmity carried over. It was now on Heavenly New Jerusalem due to the change in Covenants, from Old to New. Christ had received the foretold heel wound, at his execution, and from there the enmity carried on. It is still going on right at this moment in time, and cannot end until satan is chained and abyssed, and his entire seed is wiped out at Armageddon. {Matthew 24:9} {Revelation 16:13-16; 20:1-3}
That trampling as should be seen now first began right when Cain slew his Brother Abel, and that sure wasn't in 607 BCE. Now you tell me, what that does to the Governing Bodies calculations that those times, as they say, began in 607 BCE- Ran for a period of 2,520 years and ended in 1914? If anyone could ever mess anything up, they sure as Hell have messed up this one; and they are Spirit Directed? Of course we all believe that, now don't we? Wannabe?
What did Luke Mean? "Jerusalem will be trampled on?"
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we know the christ has 144,000 anointed brothers, who also make up a part of this woman's seed.. paul tells us the promises were spoken to abraham and to his seed, which of course we know was the christ, but was there only one seed belonging to abraham?

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wannabe

What did Luke Mean? Jerusalm will be Trampled on" ...
For how many Centuries now has satan been the unseen Power as 'god of this World;' holding Authority over the many ruling Dynasties of Kings that have ruled and dominated this earth, to the hurt of earths inhabitants? Along with all of the Religious establishments that have ruled over and dominated their followers, misleading them all on a path of error? It can be said, with certainty, ever since the Fall of Adam in the Garden of Eden, satan has held those positions; with his Religious Empire holding sway over all the inhabitants of Mankind. In the beginning it started out with Adam and Eve Worshipping Jehovah; he was their God, they were his two people. As such their Worship was directed only to him. It was, to begin with, true Worship. Of course, it had a very small beginning, with only two people worshipping Jehovah in that Garden. Jehovah's intent though, was for the pair to fill the earth, with righteous perfect individuals like themselves, all Worshipping the ONE GOD of Truth. With his blessing upon them. {Revelation 13:1,2} {Luke 4:5-8}
Had they of remained in that perfect, righteous, sinless condition; what would have come out of the loins of Adam, would have been a race of human beings all Worshipping the One God of Truth, bearing the exact same condition as the pair started out possessing. A human Race of individuals all worshipping the one true God with his blessing upon all of them. True Worship would have been a Global condition. Why isn't it like that now?
Adam and Eve had followed the lie told by satan, and had obeyed satan's slyly designed countermand of Jehovah's true command, not to touch the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil; by saying to the Woman: "Is it really so that God said, you must not eat from every Tree of the Garden" You see! First plant the seed of doubt! Maybe you didn't understand what he meant, sort of thing. Get Eve to think maybe she hadn't understood correctly. So then, she would begin to examine the fruit more closely, and notice how desirable it was to look upon. Perhaps noticing the sweet aroma of it. From there an easy matter to take that first bite. Along comes Adam, he follows Eve's lead and he eats of the fruit because he knows she has, already eaten of it. {John 8:44}
Not to last very long, sad to say. satan, by misleading the Woman Eve, caused her to violate one of Jehovah's clear commands, not to eat of a certain Tree; for the moment they did that they would die. Adam too had followed the lead of his Wife, Eve, and he ate right along with her, bringing the penalty of death on themselves and on all Mankind.
Now satan had a World of humans that would come out of the loins of Adam, and because the pair had deviated from the true worship of Jehovah, would be born now, like Adam and his Wife; now dying sinners, not worshipping the true God, but worshipping satan the devil, because now, he, satan, was god of the World. Adam now cut off from the Tree of life could only pass on to Mankind all he possessed. A legacy of sin and death. A world filled with mortal humans subject to death worshipping the devil. {Romans 5:12} {2 Corinthians 4:3,4}
Many will very probably disagree with me on this following point, but the Pair as Jehovah had said: "The day you eat of it, you will surely die." Die they did that very day. Even though they lived on to populate the earth for a time. When Jehovah makes any statement what-so-ever, you know it's carved in stone. For without fail it will come true. That very day they both were dead in Jehovah's eyes, for violating his express command, not to touch the Tree. That is seen by the Angel he had placed to gaurd the way to theTree of Life. They were cut off from the source of life so were as good as dead, because Jehovah had told them they would be. When he makes any statement what-so-ever; take it to the Bank, it's as good as done. {Isaiah 55:10,11} {Genesis 2:16,17;3:1-7,15,24}
Right from the Garden of Eden, this entire World has been been held in the power of satan the devil! He has blinded and misled the entire inhabited earth! Every succeedding generation from Adam's Day, up until right now, has been under the power and control of the devil, blinded and misled by him. Like it! Don't like it! That's the way it is, and has been for some 6000 years now. {1 John 5:19} {Revelation 12:9} {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} Everything on this Planet today, belongs to satan the devil. The greedy Commercial Empire, the greedy Political Empire, and the even greedier Relgious Empire. It all belongs to satan.
Does this mean that Jehovah doesn't have a people on this earth today? No! It does not! Jehovah has always had his faithful ones on this earth. Abel, for one! Enoch for another who pleased God so well Jehovah took him. Doesn't say where. Just took him.
Along with those, Abraham Isaac, Jacob, King David, and a host of others metioned in Hebrews 11. There was also Noah! Moses! Lot!
Let us not forget God's Son, Jesus Christ! The Twelve Apostles! All of the first Century Christian's. Steven, for another who was stoned to death because of his faithfulness. Then the chosen ones metioned by Jesus at Matthew 24:24-
Then there's Jehovah's sentence passed on satan to consider that really, when looked closely at, reveals a great deal, that might just ordinariy be missed.
Notice first the mention of a Woman, who has a seed, that 's at enmity with the seed of the devil. So, we have two seeds to consider. One belonging to the devil, the other the Woman's.
15"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel."{Genesis 3:15 DT}
Both Seeds are Religious entities, opposed to one another. There's a hatred between them both. We know the principle or main seed was, or is, the Christ. According to the following words of Paul:
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." {Galatians 3:16 NIV} So, that's settled. The Christ is the primary seed. We know the Christ has 144,000 Anointed Brothers, who also make up a part of this Woman's seed.
Paul tells us the Promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed, which of course we know was the Christ, but was there only one seed belonging to Abraham? No! There was many, many more! The promise Jehovah made here to Abraham, he made also to Isaac and Jacob.
"The Angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time 16 and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not with-held your son, your only son, 17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."{Genesis 22:15-18 NIV} Genesis 26:1-4;28:10-14}
I will point out at this point, all of the faithful worthys of old will be resurrected to life back here on earth, and all of these are said to belong to the Christ, due to the fact it is he that resurrects them all. So they are all Abraham's Seed, due to that fact. All of these looked forward to gaining the better ressurection. They considered disgrace for the Christ of greater treasure than the treasures of Egypt. That was the viewpoint of Moses, it would have been the same with all of them.
"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."{Galatians 3:29 NIV}
35"Women received back their dead, raised to life again. Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection."{Hebrews 11:35 NIV}
24"By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh's daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a short time. 26 He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward." {Hebrews 11:24-26 NIV}
Think about this for a moment! We know the prime seed was the Christ. We know the secondary seed would be his anointed Brothers; and we know all were to rule as King Priests. Ruling as Kings as they will be, constitutes them all, as the City of the living God, heavenly New Jerusalem. Or Jerusalem above.
As regards the Ancient worthies who will be resurrected to life on earth, being the seed of the Woman, would constitute them as Earthly Jerusalem. Where the Throne of Jehovah was. Where his Kings sat on his Throne in that City. Being as it is, they are the seed of the Woman as well. {1 Chronicles 23:29}
When was the hatred or enmity for this Seed first displayed? Was not Abel a part of the seed of the Woman who represented Jerusalem? So Cain was the first murderer of the seed of the Woman, was he not? Did not the trampling on earthly Jerusalem begin with that first murder of the seed of the Woman? Abel; in this case picturing Jerusalem, being as he was part of the seed of the Woman? How long has the butchery of the seed of the Woman been going on, and will it go on? Jesus told us right up until his Coming into kingdom power, that hatred and murder would be going on. {Matthew 24:9} {Revelation 12:1-17} Who did he hold responsible for most of the hatred and murder?
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? {Gehenna} 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation."{Matthew 23:33-36 NIV}
Was Jesus to be delivering the words of Luke at Chapter 21:24 do you in your wildest dreams believe that Jesus would tell us that, that Nation of Jerusalem, was being trampled on? They were themselves the tramplers. Remember! They Killed him! They Stoned Steven to death! They hounded, hated, and persecuted the true followers of Jesus. They were a Nation of murderers. "Snakes and vipers" Jesus called them. In other words they had reverted over to demon worship. Can you trample on that? Tell me yes, I'll laugh in your face. How could they be trampled on by the Nations? They were the Nations! Doing exactly what the Nations did. Offered thier sacrifices to demons and not to God.
As far as the seven times of Daniels Prophecy was concerned all that pointed to was the end of the reign of Jehovah's line of earthly Kings until the installation of his Heavenly King, the ruler of the City of the living God, Heavenly New Jerusalem; the Jerusalem above, headed by the seed of the Woman. It had absolutely nothing to do with the appointed times of the Nations, because those particular times could not end until Jehovah's Chosen King took active rulership of God's Kingdom, and stood up as Michael the Archangel. Even when the King of God's Kingdom stands up and takes ACTIVE rulership the foretold hatred, persecution, and murder, is still going on against the seed of the heavenly Woman. It was actually a part of the composite sign of the COMING of Christ in kingdom power.
As far as Christ being invisibly present in 1914, that too is just so much bunk. The reason being he has been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first Century. Remember please, he had finished the work his Father had given him to do. {John 17:4} He had conquered the World, according to his own words. {John 16:33} As a world conquerer, he had sat down at his Fathers right hand, and had received his Crown, and he said himself: "To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my Throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his Throne." {Revelation 3:21} Now, reasonably! What do his 144,000 anointed Brothers become when they sit down with Jesus on his Throne? They become crowned Kings, do they not? So what is Jesus who himself has conquered and sat down with his Father on his Throne? He too has become a crowned King, correct? When did Jesus first sit down down there? In the first Century after his ascension, correct? So he's been wearing that crown ever since he ascended. How long was he to sit at his Fathers right hand before becoming an active ruling King? Until the words of Psalm 110:1,2 were fulfilled correct? "Until I make your enemies a stool for your feet." When he hears the words: "Go subduing in the midst of your enemies." Michael will stand up and become an active ruling King of God's Kingdom. {Daniel 12:1}
As that ruling King, when he's again finished his work of fighting the War of the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon, and satan's entire empire is wiped from the face of this earth, it will be then the Trampling on Jerusalem will end forever. satan will be chained and abyssed; no longer able to mislead the Nations anymore until the Thousand years has ended. No longer able to persecute and murder the seed of the Heavenly Woman. The Jerusalem Luke was talking about when he said:... "and Jerusalem {the Seed} will be be trampled on by the Nations until the appointed times of the Nations are fulfilled." They will be fulfilled at Armageddon. Do you know the date for that big event? Perhaps if you did, you'd be able to put an exact number to those times. Since you do not! You cannot! Now can you? {Revelation 16:14-16;20:1-3,7-10}
So, the Trampling on Jerusalem, turns out to be, the foretold enmity between the two seeds. The Seed of Satan. The Seed of the Woman. Which Woman's Seed represented the Jerusalem spoken of by Luke. How wrong a false Prophet can be,when they begin toying with Jehovah's Holy Word. Even worse! How dangerous for those that swallow the lies of these false Prophets.
15 "Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen´na twice as much so as yourselves." {Matthew 23:15 NWT}
A very sad ending for those who believe, the Governing Bodies teaching, that the appointed times of the Nations began in 607 BCE, because was that teaching to be correct, then Michael would have stood up in 1914 and become an active ruling King of God's Kingdom, in that he already was invisibly present in the first century, and all that remained was for him was to stand up and take the reigns of power. So, if you're happy with being twice as much a subject for Ge-hen'na, I'm quite happy to give you my share of that. All I can say is: "Enjoy the Lie, if it's the lie that you love."
As for us today, since it is the New Covenant in force today, and has to do with Heavenly New Jerusalem, the Jerusalem above, established on the Blood of the primary seed of the Woman; that is the Jerusalem Luke was making reference to; it could never have been earthly Jerusalem that was at issue, because, like Nebuchadnezzer, who received his Kingship back, the Kingship was not restored to earthly Jerusalem, but as made crystal clear here, was restored as a Heavenly Kingdom. Heavenly New Jerusalem, that was recieving the Trampling on by the Nations. As a matter of fact, that Trampling is still in progress right now at this time, and certainly never ended in the year 1914, as taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses that it did end in that year.
It's merely another Watchtower blunder which at this time they have had great experience at making those. 130 years of failed predictions and false prophecies qualifies them as very probably the best false prophet that's ever braced the scene, in that, they actually do look like a true prophet of Jehovah God.
Looks, though can be exposed! As can be false teachings, as I'll show"
Now , the Governing Body will tell us that they are the appointed Faithful Slave of the Parable in Matthew 24:45- Lets look deeply at that scripture, and compare it with one other I already have in mind to see if they are what they lay claim to being. First the one in Matthew-
"Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."{Matthew 24:45 NWT}
Okay! their claim is they are saying without actually coming right out and saying it, that they are appointed over God's House to dispense the spiritual food to the other members of the house at the proper time, That much is pretty clear isn't it? Now look at this other scripture that I had in mind:
1 "Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess—Jesus. 2 He was faithful to the One that made him such, as Moses was also in all the house of that One. 3 For the latter is counted worthy of more glory than Moses, in-as-much as he who constructs it has more honor than the house. 4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God. 5 And Moses as an attendant was faithful in all the house of that One as a testimony of the things that were to be spoken afterwards, 6 but Christ [was faithful] as a Son over the house of that One. We are the house of that One, if we make fast our hold on our freeness of speech and our boasting over the hope firm to the end." {Hebrews 3:1-6 NWT}
Notice here how Jesus is compared with Moses, who was in early times appointed over God's House, but then it tells us to view Jesus as having more honor than Moses. Worthy of more glory. Then we learn that it is Jesus was faithful as a Son OVER God's House. Then Paul tells us, "We are the HOUSE of that one." So it is Jesus who is appointed over God's House according to Paul's words here. The rest of his brother's constitute the HOUSE itself.
Recall the Faithful Slave was appointed over the domestics to give them their food at the proper time. So the domestics would have been members of the household, but not appointed over it.
They, as a body, would constitute the House, but dependent on the one appointed over the house for thier spiritual feeding. In this case Jesus was the one appointed over the house, that much is clear, is it not? I mean we have the Faithful Slave on the one hand on the other the domestics. Or as Paul said: "We are the House."So the house are the domestics, clear? The one appointed over them we learned was Jesus. So, don't know if you follow or not, but Jesus was the Faithful Slave. To
administer the food at the proper time. Certainly not the Governing Body as they claim.
Now I used the Jehovah's Witness Bible to show you that scripture in Matthew 24:45, but look how the picture changes using the NIV Bible.
"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?"{Matthew 24:45 NIV}
Now we have a wise servant put in charge of the servants in the household. By the Master. Quite a difference now, isn't there?
Reading the New World translation, would you think to ask, Just whose household is in question here? Who is the Master referred to? Who is the wise servant?
To cut to the chase. The household belongs to Jehovah God. The wise servant is the Christ. The servants are members of God's Household. Showing the Governing Body is nothing more than a self-exalted false Prophet. That being the case, none of their teachings can, nor should be trusted. More particularly the appoint times subject.
We notice, at the time God's Kingdom actually does come into power, when the War in heaven is fought and satan and his demons are cast down to our earth, the Trampling on Jerusalem, the Seed of the Woman is going on with a vengeance, as satan goes off to wage War with them. So the age-old hatred is still going on even at this time. But foretold to go on by Jesus when he gave the sign of his coming. Notice Johns words:
Top of Form 1
"And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." {Revelation 12:17 NWT}
So the hatred for the Woman is alive and well at this time, as the words of Jesus at Matthew 24:9 are being fulfilled, and the trampling on the Seed that pictured Jerusalem comes to a Boil, and just as Jehovah foretold in his words to satan the devil, violent persecution and murder breaks out against the seed of the Woman, as the age old ennmity or hatred is displayed on a World-Wide Scale. Note the words of Jesus on this very thing, note also why the hatred:
Now all the Nations are brought into the picture, displaying the foretold enmity Jehovah foretold at Genesis 3:15 and why the hatred? Jesus said: "Because of my name." What did the name of Jesus represent? He was Jehovah's designated King, was he not? King of What? The City of the living God. Heavenly New Jerusalem! The Jerusalem above. The Jerusalem Luke was making making reference to when he said: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Nations until the appointed times of the Nations are fulfilled." {Luke 21:24}
Bottom of Form 19 "Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come." {Matthew 24:9-14 NWT}
Now! What do the words , Fulfill signify in this case at this time?
ful·filled
, ful·fill·ing, ful·fills also ful·fils1. To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises. 2. To carry out (an order, for example). 3. To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform satisfy. 4.
To bring to an end; complete.
Jesus was here telling us about conditions that would exist just prior to his taking Kingdom Power, it would be at this time the appointed times of the Nations along with their violent hatred for the Woman and her seed would finally come to an end. Armageddon would end the appointed times of the Nations once and for all. Those times would be finally fulfilled, or ended. Now, obviously, those times are still in progress. That is quite clear! So, if they are still running at this time, the seven times Prophecy could not possibly be applied to the words of Luke at Luke 21:24.
I have already shown what Daniels Prophecy pointed to in other articles I've done and put on the Boards, and it had abslolutely nothing to do with the Appointed times of the Nations. I can prove that! I Already have. But if I must, I'll do it again. Just for the sake of the unbelievers.
When satan and all of these hateful Nations, that have sacrificed to him, for the many Centuries of their existence are removed from this earth, so will end the hatred for the Woman and her seed, and the Trampling on Jerusalem, will be fulfilled; ended.
This all begets the question; since it's the Jerusalem above that's now experiencing this Trampling by the Nations, at what point would this particular Trampling begin? What might direct our attention to that particular Date? Consider now, if you will, Pauls words in the following scripture:
16"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ."{Galatians 3:16 NIV}
So, the principle or main seed would be the Christ is that not true? We know that the Christ was murdered by the seed of satan, don't we? His execution took place in the first Century, we all know that as well. His death established the New Covenant, by virtue of his Blood. Now the way was open for all the Nations to come in under that New Covenant. Some also from among the Nations would now have opportunity to gain Heavenly Life, and rule as King Priests with the Christ, along with those chosen out of the Jewish Nation. Now, since the Christ was the Principle ruling King of God's Kingdom; would he not now be the ruling head of Heavenly Mount Zion, and Heavenly New Jerusalem? The City of the Living God? The Jerusalem above? All of that being true, would not the Christ himself picture the Jerusalem that was being trampled on, in that he was the one who suffered the extreme hatred Jehovah foretold in Genesis 3:15? By being murdered by the seed of satan the devil, by receiving as he did the foretold heel wound, instigated by the seed of satan? Which turned out to be the Jewish Nation? Now, lets face it, if any Jerusalem was to be trampled on, it had to be heavenly New Jerusalem, which trampling would begin at the execution of the Christ. Afterall was he himself not the promised seed of the Woman? Who would be at enmity with the seed of satan? One to receive a mere heel wound, the other a fatal head wound? As far as I'm concerned, that wraps it all up, and shows the Governing Bodies interpretation of Luke 21:24, is so flawed, it's laughable.
We now should be able to see what had occurred here. satan had started the Ball rolling, as can be seen by Jehovah's words to him at Genesis 3:15- because of that sentence passed on satan, Cain ended up with the enmity foretold by Jehovah, against his righteous brother Abel, displaying that hatefull disposition when he murdered Abel. He was the seed of satan. That seed contintinued to exist all down through the days of the Israelite Nation under the old Law Covenant. They too were of the seed of satan, because they persecuted and murdered the Prophets Jehovah sent to warn them away from their wicked ways. Evidenced by these following scriptures. {2 Chronicles 36:15,16} {Matthew 23:33-36}
When the Christ came on the scene, because he was the seed of the Woman, the hatred or enmity reverted over to him, and those under the new Covenant, and the enmity carried over. It was now on Heavenly New Jerusalem due to the change in Covenants, from Old to New. Christ had received the foretold heel wound, at his execution, and from there the enmity carried on. It is still going on right at this moment in time, and cannot end until satan is chained and abyssed, and his entire seed is wiped out at Armageddon. {Matthew 24:9} {Revelation 16:13-16; 20:1-3}
That trampling as should be seen now first began right when Cain slew his Brother Abel, and that sure wasn't in 607 BCE. Now you tell me, what that does to the Governing Bodies calculations that those times, as they say, began in 607 BCE- Ran for a period of 2,520 years and ended in 1914? If anyone could ever mess anything up, they sure as Hell have messed up this one; and they are Spirit Directed? Of course we all believe that, now don't we? Wannabe?