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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

  why are there no letters to jesus?

  no painting of jesus from that time?

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  EndofMysteries

  Off to an Easter party now, I'll get back to this tomorrow. Good debate though.
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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

  why are there no letters to jesus?

  no painting of jesus from that time?

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  The names of his disciples are not those found the Bible. He was killed by the Sanhedrin, not the Romans, contrary to the Bible. He was killed for religious crimes, not the the crime of sedition as recorded in the Bible.
  So, the ONLY similarities are Jesus, Jewish and some disciples. More details, major details, differ than agree. Maybe it is talking about the same man, but it is certainly largely disagreeing with the Bible on most major points.

  This is all about a historical Jesus, not about the accuracy of the bible as we have it today. But whether there was a real historical Jesus. As for who killed him, the Romans may have carried out the deed, but it was the Sanhedrin who ordered it. Unless you can find any historical documents talking about a man like Jesus that ALL jews embraced and that none of them were calling for him to be put to death, but that the Romans themselves did this, then it stands it really was the Jews responsible for it. Even the ancient contemporary scholars as my previous posts show they believed that as well.
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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

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  First, he never said "crucified", so attempting to associate "crucified" with "executed" is disingenuous at best. Secondly, Jesus was crucified by the Romans, not Jews. Third, he NEVER mentions Jesus. You saying he does is completely untrue.

  I fixed crucified before you had replied, but yes he said murdered. Now as for the Romans killing him, the Romans were an instrument. Who called for this death? The Romans didn't just grab Jesus and kill him on their own, it was the religious leaders of the Jews who coerced Pilate into doing it. Pilate washed his hands and obviously scholars of that time put it on Jews.

  IF the 'wise king' who the Jews murdered, then their city was ABOLISHED shortly after, was not Jesus, then who was it? Was socrates a figment of the imagination? Mara is asserting that the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD happened not too long after the murder of the Wise King of the Jews. As he did disasters that befell those who killed Socrates. So if it's not Jesus, who else fits the bill?
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  Indiana "Religious Freedom" (right to discriminate)

  by Simon in

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  sickening to see the photo of the religious zealots all stood around the governor signing into law the right for people to discriminate against others (gay, lesbian, trans-gender) based purely on religious dogma.. if religious people want those freedoms then the can't have it both ways - they cannot complain if *they* are discriminated against.. "sorry, we don't like zionists, get out".

  "oh, it's some special mass and you can't work your shift?

  you're fired!"..

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  EndofMysteries

  http://tribuneherald.net/2013/08/23/kkk-wins-lawsuit-against-bakery-for-discrimination/

  I think this is the only and first comment of yours I've ever liked and laughed at haha. Nice find.
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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

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  EndofMysteries

  He refers to A wise king but never names him or otherwise indicates he in talking about Jesus. Your claim is 100% untrue.

  
  

  He said, "Their Wise King". Not "a" Wise King. The sign on Jesus cross said, "King of the Jews". Tell me another historical figure that non Jews place among names such as Socrates that the Jews had murdered and could be considered a wise king? O and in context, he was talking about the catastrophes that happened after said events. What happened in 'the generation' that saw Jesus killed to Jerusalem? So who else matches those descriptions since you claim since he didn't specify the name, Jesus, that it can be somebody else?
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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

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  no painting of jesus from that time?

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  mocking christians not talking about Jesus

  
  

  Not talking about Jesus? Who is the man he says they worship? Who is the distinguished personage who introducted their rites and was crucified? Who was their original lawgiver?

  “The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account….You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.” (Lucian, The Death of Peregrine. 11-13)

  
  

  
  
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  Some Questions About Jesus

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

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  Mara Bar-Serapion
  He never mentioned Jesus.

  Really? Which of the jews wise king did they murder then?

  What did the sign post on Jesus cross say? John 19:19 if you forgot.

  Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:

  “What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.
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  Some Questions About Jesus

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  Talking about Christians, not Jesus.

  Had you read the whole part instead of glance the first 2 sentences and reply, you would have read this part that IS talking about Jesus and it's a Roman confirming that Pontius Pilatus did to Jesus,

  "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
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  Some Questions About Jesus

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

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  EndofMysteries

  That's talking about an earthquake and eclipse, not Jesus.

  
  

  That's in support of the great earthquake and darkening of sun when Jesus died.The fact that Thallus mentions the darkness tells us that something did happen, and that is an extrabiblical citation for the event. If I recall correctly it's been researched and there was no eclipse around that time which would mean something else happened.
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  Some Questions About Jesus

  by Coded Logic in

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  why didn't jesus ever write anything?

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  EndofMysteries

  That doesn't describe the Jesus of the Bible.

  The Babylonian Talmud 43a IS talking about the Jesus of the bible. Remember the Pharasees accused him of in Matt 12:24-27?

  Same for 107b, these sources are showing how those who killed Jesus viewed him. Now what you must ask yourself is why aren't they denying such a man ever existed? They are describing him in them exactly as portrayed how they thought of him in the bible, as evil, sorcery, etc.

  Here are more...

  • Jesus as a sorcerer with disciples (b Sanh 43a-b)
  • Healing in the name of Jesus (Hul 2:22f; AZ 2:22/12; y Shab 124:4/13; QohR 1:8; b AZ 27b)
  • As a torah teacher (b AZ 17a; Hul 2:24; QohR 1:8)
  • As a son or disciple that turned out badly (Sanh 103a/b; Ber 17b)
  • As a frivolous disciple who practiced magic and turned to idolatry (Sanh 107b; Sot 47a)
  • Jesus' punishment in afterlife (b Git 56b, 57a)
  • Jesus' execution (b Sanh 43a-b)
  • Jesus as the son of Mary (Shab 104b, Sanh 67a)