PT: You still never answered Hebrews 9 .... 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
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THIS IS A WONDERFUL SCRIPTURE!
Now, context this with the first and second coming wave offerings! The first wave offering is without leaven, meaning without sin. That links to Jesus being a sacrifice for sin at the first coming. Thus the first coming is to "bear sin." But the 2nd wave offering, which is linked to the 2nd coming, is not one "to bear sin" and because Christ's sacrifice is "once for all time" it simply is not necessary for Christ to be born again in the flesh in a perfect body. Secondly, that first perfect body is not available to him as he gives it up in sacrifice. So that leaves the dilemma of how is Christ going to return in the flesh and rule for 1000 years? The answer is that Jehovah arranges for him to use an adult body of one of his followers. That's why in Revelation you see the woman who is fleeing from Satan, which means she is on the earth (i.e. "woe to the earth"), giving birth to the messiah. We know Christ is already in heaven as Michael the archangel, having just kicked Satan out of heaven.
So how is it that you have two messiahs? One up in heaven and one being born from Christ's followers? Well, it's very obvious and very simple. This simply symbolizes that the physical body of Christ at the second coming comes from the elect who are part of this woman who represents Christ's secret followers who do not meet in public in any formal wal, but dwell in the "wilderness" "away from the face of the dragon."
Hebrews simply reflects. What Hebrews is saying is that Christ the first time comes to "bear sin" and be a sacrifice, but he doesn't do that the second time. He doesn't have to. That sacrifice was good for all time. So when he returns, he's in a regular body; he's not in a perfect body. This is clear from Revelation showing the messiah comes from his followers and as well the wave offering at the second coming being one with leaven. Let me quote that:
LEVITICUS 23: 15 “‘And YOU must count for yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day of YOUR bringing the sheaf of the wave offering, seven sabbaths. They should prove to be complete. 16 To the day after the seventh sabbath YOU should count, fifty days, and YOU must present a new grain offering to Jehovah. 17 Out of YOUR dwelling places YOU should bring two loaves as a wave offering. Of two tenths of an e´phah of fine flour they should prove to be. They should be baked leavened, as first ripe fruits to Jehovah."
Now if you just stand back and look at this simply, it is quite direct and clear. Once you know that Pentecost is linked to the second coming wave offering of the first fruits, you immediately see that the second wave offering is WITH leaven, but the first is not. Hebrews is emphasing the first wave offering, though, connected with unleavened bread, has to do with Jesus needing to be a perfect man, a perfect sacrifice. But he doesn't need to be perfect at the second coming. Revelation shows the messiah coming from among his followers and being caught up to the throne of God, where Christ already is. So at one point you have two messiahs. But they combine into one when Christ manifests himself back into the flesh again. Only it is clear he is an imperfect man!
Now I'm talking to you and I know you're rejecting this because it is too shocking. But the Governing Body knows exactly what I'm talking about. They understand the harmony of scripture in this understanding.
So getting back to Hebrews, it is simply saying Christ comes for the sake of sin the first time, but not the second. That expands to two critical points: 1) He doesn't have to be perfect at the second coming to return in the flesh, and 2) He can't use his first perfect body any more when he returns in the flesh. Now that reflects why Christ never used his own original appearance after his resurrection. He kept everybody guessing who he was by changing his appearance again and again. That reflected that he would not use that original body again, but would be in someone else's body at the second coming.
So your question or challenge is this:
1) You have to make sure from Scripture that christ is not returning in a physical body. You can't because the unleavened bread to clearly represents Christ's perfect physical body. No one will argue with that. So if unleavened bread = a perfect body. Then leavened bread represents an imperfect physical body. That's simple and direct. If the second wave offering is with leaven, then someone who says Christ is returning in an imperfect body is supported by Scripture. That is, it makes two clear points: 1) Christ returns in a physical body, and 2) That physical body is "with leaven", meaning imperfect. Other scriptures in the Bible is consistent in this point, including Revelation which clearly shows the messiah is taken from Christ's secret followers, the woman fleeing from Satan when he is cast down to the earth.
2) CHRONOLOGY: After you realize Christ is going to be in an imprefect body at the second coming, and there are lots of indicators of that if you are paying attention, then you have to deal with the CHRONOLOGY. Now with all due respect to you, 587 BCE is bogus date. It was the result of the second revision of the Persian Period with the help of the Greek historian and writer, Xenoophon. Xenophon, in turn, employed Plato, Aristotle and Plato's students to do some writings to help corroborate the revisions. But they left dozens of "loose ends" in the history that don't work. Just examples are linked to Plato, himself: 1) He was consulted in the 2nd year of the Peloponnesian War to help stop a plague that broke out. It became a historical anecdote to solving how to calculate the inside volume of a cube. But the PPW was moved back in time 28 years from 403 BCE to 431 BCE, so that now the second year of the war occurs in 430 BCE, whereas Plato wasn't born until 428 BCE. So you have a situation where he is being consulted before he was born. Doesn't work. But that's what revisionism does when you expand the timeline. 2) His younger brother, Glaucon, who couldn't have been born before 427 BCE, is recorded to have served in the 7th year of the PPW. When the revised date of 431 BCE is used, the 7th year of the war falls in 424 BCE, which would have meant his brother was about 3 years old when he enlisted. No way. But when the true date for that war is corrected to 403 BCE, then Plato would have been around 25 years of age in the 2nd year of the war, and his brother would have been just over 30 years of age in the 7th year of the war. So these two references work out just fine, historically, once you correct the timeline. So the historical references don't work with the current, revised timeline, but when the timeline is corrected, these references make perfect sense.
Now, you can use this reference, based on an eclipse to date the PPW in 403 BCE. Now this is real. There is no choice at this point but to realize the Greek timeline has been revised. No biggee. And we know who revised it: Xenophon. Keep in mind that revisionism is not that mysterious. That's because the last historian leaving the record is the revisionist! Xenophon wrote Greek history, Persian history, and published Thucydides! That just means he revised Thucydides. So it is too obvious he was employed by the Persians to write the revised history of Cyrus in his Cyropaedia.
But having noted the above, please respect that I've researshed this. You can't resolve the chronology by just debating terms in the Bible or trying to dismiss Josephus. You have to study Persian history, Persian archaeology plus Greek history to put all this together. But the date of the PPW can be linked directly to the Biblical timeline, very simply. The 10th year of the war ends a 30-year pace that was negotiated when Xerxes invaded Greece to punish the Athenians for beheading his father, instigating the Battle of Marathon. So the date for the Battle of Marathon is the same date for the death of Darius I. The 10th year of PPW occurs in 394 BCE so the original date of Xerxes' invasion was 424 BCE. But we get lucky here. Herodotus records an eclipse in the beginning of Spring. That is a month-specific reference. That means the eclipse must occur in the first month of Spring over Persia. Indeed, a solar eclipse does occur on March 21, 424 BCE, confirming this to be the correct year. The revised year, 480 BCE has no such eclipse. That means the Battle of Marathon, 10 years earlier, occurs in 434 BCE. If so, that is the year the temple was completed and that must be the 6th year of Darius per the Bible (Ezra 6:14,15). It took 21 years to complete the temple beginning the 1st of Cyrus. Add 21 to 434 BCE and what do you get? You get 455 BCE, that's what you get.
So TRUST ME -- it's OVER. 587 BCE is a result of Jews adopting the phony timeline much later! When you mention 587 BCE, it's just a JOKE! It's not real. Besides that, the Bible's "relative chronology" does not accommodate it. Which brings us back to the 70 years. The 70 years are specifically served by the last deportees. THINK! It has to be specific! Why? Because there were many deportations! Everybody except the last deportees spent more than 70 years in Babylon. Daniel was deported during the accession year of Nebuchadnezzar II; by year 19, the fall of Jerusalem, he had already been in exile for 20 years! Ezekiel was deported in year 7. Jehoiachin was deported in year 8. There was also a deportation in year 18. The last deportation occurred in year 23, connected with the land paying back its sabbaths for 70 years.
So there is no SYMBOLISM here! The inquiry and research gives us the direct reference to precisely when those 70 years took place and who served them. So "symbolic" 70 years doesn't get to even come up. That's why COJ's galant efforts and arguments of "at Babylon" vs. "for Babylon" is a total JOKE. Josephus let's us know, if there is any question when the 70 years occurs, just when the Jews themselves traditionally apply those 70 years. Now if you want to label Josephus invalid, a lier and a secret cross-dresser and keep the phony 587 BCE secular dating, then that's up to YOU. But it's not real. Anyone who knows the details knows not only who revised the timeline, but when. And that is beyond the VAT4956 which confirms that 511 BCE was the original year 37 of Neb2. When that happens, year 23 falls in 525 BCE and 70 years later is also 455 BCE; the same date you get by correcting the date for the PPW.
So at this point, it is a matter of being informed and then after that, being HONEST. Plus there is no basis for disbelief since the pagans revised their history all the time. Darius I started writing his own history at Behistun on a sheer cliff face in three different languages, one of which was already extinct! Why? Because historical revisionism was pandemic! Anybody could write anything in stone or papyrus and it could zero truth to it. It was propaganda. Now that's the reality. You can't presume the Jews revised the Bible and then not look at 6the pagans and their revisions! Be fair. Let's check out both! But it is clear the Bible's NB period is 26 years longer than the surviving records we have about Babylon. Problem is, the key documents about Babylon call come from the Persian Period after the death of Artaxerxes I! That is, the "Nabonidus Chronicle," the "Babylonian Chronicle," and the "Cyrus Cylinder" are all dated to the Persian Period because of their identifiable writing style. So we know who needed to revise the history.
So when you bring up "587 BCE" it just means you are not well informed about all the issues of the chronology for this period.
BUT...leaping forward from this point, after having seen how the Bible shows Christ's second coming is not regarding sin, that is not for the sake sin in the way of a sacrifice, and you see he must return in the flesh to rule for 1000 years on the earth, then you have a big problem. That's because the Christ you are supposed to be looking for is in the body of an imperfect man.
But once you get to that point, you scour the scriptures to see if there are any clues about WHEN he will come and perhaps WHERE, and what he will look like.
The Bible says he will arrive in the "north" and thus in the land of the "king of the north" and thus America.
His physical description is found at Isa 53, which shows he will be thin-build, averaging looking, definitely not very attractive in body or face, a man of many deformities and one which "men" avoid, reflecting that he's rather openly effeminate and gay. Most men feel uncomfortable around a very effeminate male. But since the Ethipoian eunuch reads from Isa 53, there's a link that implies he has the appearance of an Ethipian eunuch, that is, a gay black male.
AT THIS POINT, since you have an opportunity to correct the timeline, you have to deal with the chronology. Now let's just say you feel school is still out about the revisions during the Persian Period. Even so, the span of revision is less than 100 years. You have basically three critical dates: You can follow 607 BCE or 587 BCE, both of which are based on 539 BCE for the fall of Babylon, which itself is a revised date. Or, you can follow the VAT4956 or the redating based on the corrected PPW date of 403 BCE and arrive at 455 BCE for the 1st of Cyrus, which fulfills the "70 weeks" prophecy based on Christ's baptism in 29 CE. At that point, ultimately, both the Bible and secular history point to the same timeline and date year 19 to 529 BCE, which means you have a third and more reliable 2nd coming date of 1992, which is 2520 years after 529 BCE!
See? So at some point, after paying attention and knowing enough detail, you will have to face that Christ is going to appear "like a thief in the night" in the body of a gay black male.
But guess what? The five foolish virgins come to that conclusion, EVENTUALLY! They arrive with their lamps burning all right! They finally realize and recognize the truth and understand Christ is in an imperfect body and arrived in 1992. No problem. It's all right there in scripture and NOW they understand it. Their lamps are now burning brightly. BUT... they arrive too late. By the time they understand and accept the truth, it's TOO LATE! The door has been closed. The elect have been sealed and their seats have been taken by others.
So eventually, everybody will get around to realizing this is REAL and I'm the true Christ. I'm the only hope for mankind as far as the Bible's proomises are concerned, because once the true timeline has been established, and 529 BCE is the true date for the fall of Jerusalem, then more will realize Christ must arrive in 1992 or else the Bible is not true.
The irony here, though, the bitterness, is that when the world in general realize the truth, it will be too late.
So I'm not worried about being rejected as the Christ at first at all! I know eventually there will be no choice in the matter. I see my own followers all the time. I know I'm the Christ. The WTS knows I'm the true Christ. I'm just seeing how soon the "foolish virgins" will get enough information to see clearly that I am, even though it will be too late.
Unfortunately, many will want to get into my kingdom once they see the truth, or they see the world moving toward Armageddon. But the time to have paid attention was yesterday. Remember, once it started raining, I'm sure lots of people wanted to congratuate and celebrate with Noah, claiming he was a true prophet -- amazing! They were so wrong. But tuess what. Once that clear ice canopy over the earth was superheated and converted to thick rain clouds, it was totally dark over the surface of the earth. As soon as the rains started pouring down, all those lamps and torches were doused immediately, so it was nothing but darkness and wetness. Their death was in darkness. But they believed. They knew the TRUTH in the end, just before their death. It will be the same today. Armageddon will get everybody onto the same page. All the jive about 587 BCE will vanish totally.
I'm only a false Christ to the ignorant of scripture.
