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  Aerial Photography of Your Home Town - Wow!!

  by Celtic in

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  beautiful site with aerial photographs, i found 3 pictures here that actually do my home town and the helford river in sw cornwall uk, justice.

  (stunning!!

  type in your town in the search and show/post us all your favourite photos.

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  Perry,

  Bergen is Norway's 2nd largest city If you live in NYC, I guess it's a village by comparison

  Yes, it's very beautiful, especially on a summer day like we had today.

  - Jan
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  Aerial Photography of Your Home Town - Wow!!

  by Celtic in

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  beautiful site with aerial photographs, i found 3 pictures here that actually do my home town and the helford river in sw cornwall uk, justice.

  (stunning!!

  type in your town in the search and show/post us all your favourite photos.

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  The web isn't exactly short of pictures of my home place, Bergen. Here's a few selected ones...

  Aerial photo:

  The harbour (the building on the right is where I enjoyed a music quiz a few hours ago; it's 2 minutes from my home!):

  Cable car up to Mt Ulriken:

  The Funicular stops practically next to my doorstep:

  - Jan

  Edited by - JanH on 31 July 2002 20:27:39
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  Blood Part 04 - Organ transplants: cannibalism

  by JanH in

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  organ transplants: cannibalism!.

  as with blood, the wts originally had no objections to organ transplants.

  in a questions from readers section in the watchtower, aug. 1, 1961, page 480, the question about organ transplants is answered pointedly:.

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  JanH

  Thanks for the comments.

  In my view and experience, what makes dubs leave is losing faith in the judgment of the WTS leadership. Pointing out the total absurdity of past teachings (which believers will have to admit were false) will often help dubs see how absurd current teachings and practices are.

  - Jan
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  Fluffers=1 Researchers=0 Hurting Dubs=-500

  by Farkel in

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  ain't democracy great?.

  farkel

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  * biting tongue *

  - Jan
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  I sold my soul for lobster

  by joannadandy in

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  ok so my parents big deal has always been while i may not go to meetings they are free to ask about my religious status, and invite me to meetings (i do not have to accept the invitation) as long as i live under their roof.

  my parents other big deal is to go out to lunch after the sunday meeting.

  in fact, they usually say "say, wanna come to the meeting tomorrow?

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  Joanna,

  LOL. I propose your subject title as JWD Headline of the Month!

  - Jan
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  Blood Part 04 - Organ transplants: cannibalism

  by JanH in

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  organ transplants: cannibalism!.

  as with blood, the wts originally had no objections to organ transplants.

  in a questions from readers section in the watchtower, aug. 1, 1961, page 480, the question about organ transplants is answered pointedly:.

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  JanH

  Part 03 is here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=33058&site=3

  There you'll also find links to the previous two installments.

  Part 05 will be posted some time before Armageddon

  - Jan

  Edited by - JanH on 30 July 2002 21:59:57
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  Blood Part 04 - Organ transplants: cannibalism

  by JanH in

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  organ transplants: cannibalism!.

  as with blood, the wts originally had no objections to organ transplants.

  in a questions from readers section in the watchtower, aug. 1, 1961, page 480, the question about organ transplants is answered pointedly:.

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  Organ transplants: cannibalism!

  AS WITH BLOOD, THE WTS originally had no objections to organ transplants. In a Questions from Readers section in The Watchtower, Aug. 1, 1961, page 480, the question about organ transplants is answered pointedly:

  " Is there anything in the Bible against giving ones eyes (after death) to be transplanted to some living person?L. C., United States.

  The question of placing ones body or parts of ones body at the disposal of men of science or doctors at ones death for purposes of scientific experimentation or replacement in others is frowned upon by certain religious bodies. However, it does not seem that any Scriptural principle or law is involved. It therefore is something that each individual must decide for himself. If he is satisfied in his own mind and conscience that this is a proper thing to do, then he can make such provision, and no one else should criticize him for doing so. On the other hand, no one should be criticized for refusing to enter into any such agreement."

  In view of the unorthodox views on medical practices demonstrated by the WTS on earlier questions, it is not surprising that it found some "Biblical principles" addressing this question the next time it came up, in 1967:

  " Is there any Scriptural objection to donating one's body for use in medical research or to accepting organs for transplant from such a source?-W. L., U.S.A.

  . . . When there is a diseased or defective organ, the usual way health is restored is by taking in nutrients. The body uses the food eaten to repair or heal the organ, gradually replacing the cells. When men of science conclude that this normal process will no longer work and they suggest removing the organ and replacing it directly with an organ from another human, this is simply a shortcut. Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others." (The Watchtower, Nov. 15, 1967, p. 702)

  Most people would probably be surprised at the idea that an organ transplant is cannibalism, but the WTS argued that this was the case. And again, the JWs would have to toe the line. They should rather die or be crippled than accepting an organ transplant.

  As with the question of vaccinations, quack science was employed to support the idea that organ transplants were wrong. For the WTS, it has always been of primary importance to give JWs the idea that the rules really benefit them. And just as many JWs have been convinced and firmly believe that blood transfusions are evil and bad for them, they were exposed to the same sort of propaganda about organ transplants:

  "A peculiar factor sometimes noted is a so-called personality transplant. That is, the recipient in some cases has seemed to adopt certain personality factors of the person from whom the organ came. One young promiscuous woman who received a kidney from her older, conservative, well-behaved sister, at first seemed very upset. Then she began imitating her sister in much of her conduct. Another patient claimed to receive a changed outlook on life after his kidney transplant. Following a transplant, one mild-tempered man became aggressive like the donor. The problem may be largely or wholly mental. But it is of interest, at least, that the Bible links the kidneys closely with human emotions." (The Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1975, p. 519)

  In the same magazine, some health reports about certain risks in organ transplants are extrapolated to make it appear like the benefit is virtually zero and the risks are huge. We have seen this pattern in WTS attempts to demonise vaccinations, we see it used on organ transplants and, as we will see later, it is especially evident in statements about blood transfusions.

  An interesting motivation behind this view of organ transplants is a peculiar idea about the heart. Like the above article strongly suggested that a kidney transplant caused emotional change, the WTS argued that we do indeed think with our literal heart! When the Bible mentions heart as a seat for our deepest emotions and wishes, people will understand this symbolically, realising that these things physically reside in the brain. Unless, that is, you are a leader of the Watchtower Society.

  "Most psychiatrists and psychologists tend to overcategorize the mind and allow for little if any influence from the fleshly heart, looking upon the word "heart" merely as a figure of speech apart from its use in identifying the organ that pumps our blood. . . . The heart is a marvelously designed muscular pump, but, more significantly, our emotional and motivating capacities are built within it. Love, hate, desire (good and bad), preference for one thing over another, ambition, fear-in effect, all that serves to motivate us in relationship to our affections and desires springs from the heart." (The Watchtower, March 1, 1971, p. 134)

  Some JWs will still remember a drama at the "Divine Name" convention the following summer on this topic, where giant, glowing, talking models of a heart and brain illustrated the point that we really store information in our hearts! Needless to say, JWs with any understanding whatsoever of science or medicine were deeply embarrassed by these teachings. I am too young to remember this, but I clearly remember when I first realised that this was indeed the teaching of the WTS, and even though I did not argue with my father I was extremely sceptical towards this idea and I was in primary school at the time! What I did not realize, unfortunately, was the danger of allowing men with such shallow reasoning based on quack science to decide life and death matters for a community of millions of JWs.

  This was not purely an academic question! The prohibition of organ transplants rested on this concept, which again had been important in the long-rejected ban on vaccinations. To instil fear in JWs against organ transplants and especially heart transplants, the following quack claims were reported:

  "MedicalWorld News (May 23, 1969), in an article entitled "What Does a New Heart Do to the Mind?" reported the following: "At Stanford University Medical Center last year, a 45-year-old man received a new heart from a 20-year-old donor and soon announced to all his friends that he was celebrating his twentieth birthday. Another recipient resolved to live up to the sterling reputation of the prominent local citizen who was the donor. And a third man expressed great fear of feminization upon receiving a woman's heart, though he was somewhat mollified when he learned that women live longer than men. According to psychiatrist Donald T. Lunde, a consultant to surgeon Norman Shumway's transplant team at Stanford, these patients represent some of the less severe mental aberrations [italics ours] observed in the Shumway series of 13 transplants over the last 16 months." The article continues: "Though five patients in the series had survived as of early this month, and four of them were home leading fairly normal lives, three of the nonsurvivors became psychotic before they died last year. And two others have become psychotic this year."" (The Watchtower, March 1, 1971, p. 134)

  The idea that a person would have his personality changed by a new organ was also, as we remember, used to support the vaccination ban. And as we will see later, the same idea is used to increase the anti-blood hysteria among JWs. When the WTS argued the dangers of organ transplants, this quack science was again applied

  "It is significant that heart-transplant patients, where the nerves connecting the heart and brain are severed, have serious emotional problems after the operation. The new heart is still able to operate as a pump, it having its own power supply and timing mechanism independent of the general nervous system for giving impulse to the heart muscle, but just as it now responds only sluggishly to outside influences, the new heart in turn registers few, if any, clear factors of motivation on the brain. To what extent the nerve endings of the body and the new heart are able to make some connections in time is not clear, but this cannot be ruled out as one of the several factors causing the serious mental aberrations and disorientation that doctors report are observed in heart-transplant patients." (The Watchtower, March 1, 1971, p. 135)

  In the same article, the WTS even argued that people who accepted donor hearts lost their personalities, and more than hinted that people who had donor hearts were really heartless!

  "These patients have donor-supplied pumps for their blood, but do they now have all the factors needed to say they have a "heart"? One thing is sure, in losing their own hearts, they have had taken away from them the capacities of "heart" built up in them over the years and which contributed to making them who they were as to personality."

  The advice the WTS gave on day-to-day situations based on its literal understanding of heart and mind was sometimes unintentionally humorous:

  "To illustrate, suppose the time comes when you must make a decision on buying a new suit or dress. First, the mind is confronted with certain facts. Perhaps older clothes are getting past their usefulness or there is a need for a change for some good reason. The heart comes very much into the picture too, as there is a desire at heart to look presentable. Heart and mind are in agreement that a new dress or suit be obtained. The mind now collects information on prices, quality, styles, and so forth, so that when you go shopping you have a pretty good idea which suit or dress should be purchased. But when you arrive at the store, there in the window is quite an eye-catcher, just waiting for the impulse buyer. It is not really practical for you; it involves much more money; it is rather extreme in styling; but how it tantalizes the heart! "Its the hearts delight!" Now what will be done? What decision will be made? Will it be a practical, reasoned-out one, or one according to this new desire of the heart? If you are not very careful, the heart will overwhelm the mind." (The Watchtower, March 1, 1971, p. 140)

  During the period organ transplants and blood transfusions were both prohibited, these things were often equated in WTS literature. In one case, when an anonymous JW who was a surgeon wrote his life story in the Awake! magazine, he wrote about the dangers of blood transfusions:

  "It has been especially gratifying to me to see at firsthand evidence of the truthfulness of the Bibles directives on blood. The medical profession itself has gradually come to appreciate that blood is not an innocuous lifesaver. Blood transfusion is now recognized as a dangerous procedure as hazardous as any other organ transplant." (Awake!, March 22, 1974, p. 21)

  He also added:

  "Today much is also made of the transplanting of various organskidneys, hearts, lungs and livers. . . . Because of what I have reason to believe is the Creators view of organ transplants, I have serious reservations as to their Scriptural propriety." (ibid. p. 23)

  Small notes in WTS literature not only told stories about the horrors on blood transfusions, but also gave the same strongly exaggerated accounts of the dangers of organ transplants. In many Awake! magazines, we find under the feature "Watching the World" notes like these:

  "Transfusion Horror

  Two babies were infected with syphilis by blood transfusions at Germanys Kiel University Clinic last year, reports Wiesbadener Kurier. Infection spread to the parents. Not knowing the source, at least one of the families involved threatened to break up, each partner accusing the other of being unfaithful. Even though the truth came out in court, the damage was done. "Two people will have told one another things of which they would be ashamed when they learned the truth," notes the article.

  More Transplant Complications

  Recently it was reported that the incidence of cancer is 100 times greater among organ-transplant recipients than among the general population. However, the frequency of brain tumors is "about 1,000 times greater," according to Dr. Wolff M. Kirsch, of the University of Colorado Medical Center. The prolonged immunosuppressive therapy to prevent rejection of the new organ frequently entangles the patient "in a snare of pathological processes," he says. Prospects for helping such patients are considered "bleak."" (Awake!, Feb. 22, 1974, pp. 30-31)

  Needless to say, the WTS' writers search newspapers and magazines all over the world for these articles, and would of course never give a single reference to positive results of blood transfusions or organ transplants as long as these are prohibited.

  This ban on organ transplants could not be sustained in the long run. The direct cause for the change is not given, but the WTS merely states that it is "a matter for conscientious decision by each one."

  " Should congregation action be taken if a baptized Christian accepts a human organ transplant, such as of a cornea or a kidney?

  Regarding the transplantation of human tissue or bone from one human to another, this is a matter for conscientious decision by each one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Some Christians might feel that taking into their bodies any tissue or body part from another human is cannibalistic. . . . Other sincere Christians today may feel that the Bible does not definitely rule out medical transplants of human organs. . . . It may be argued, too, that organ transplants are different from cannibalism since the "donor" is not killed to supply food." (The Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 31; bold added)

  Again, as had happened when the ban on vaccinations had been lifted, there was not one word of apology to those who had been adversely affected. Also, the WTS is hypocritical when it pretends that "sincere Christians may feel" anything but what they have been told to feel. As with the blood prohibition, "sincere Christians" are not free to feel, they are only "free" to do exactly what the WTS orders them to do. When individual JWs risked their lives they did it because they were ordered to do so under threat of being disfellowshipped, and because they believed the WTS spoke for God. The reversal on two major medical issues demonstrates that on the matter of medicine, the WTS certainly does not.

  After the reversal the horror stories about organ transplants ceased, while exaggerated reports on the dangers of blood transfusions continue to this day. With respect to organ transplants, the WTS' change of heart is shown in this article:

  "Bloodless Heart Transplant

  Last October, three-year-old Chandra Sharp was admitted to a hospital in Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A., with a heart that was not only enlarged but also failing. She was undernourished, her growth stunted, her weight only 19 pounds [9 kg], and she needed a heart transplant. She was given only a few weeks to live. Her parents agreed to the transplant but not to blood transfusion. They are Jehovahs Witnesses.

  This was no issue with the surgeon, Dr. Charles Fraser. The Flint Journal of Michigan reported on December 1, 1993: "Fraser said the Cleveland Clinic and other medical centers are becoming adept at performing many surgeriesincluding transplantswithout the infusion into the patient of other peoples blood. We have learned more about how to conserve blood, and how to prime the heart-lung machine with solutions other than blood, said Fraser." He then added: "Some specialty hospitals have for decades been doing major cardiovascular operations without blood transfusions. . . . We always try to do surgery without (transfused) blood."" (Awake!, May 22, 1994, p. 7)

  In light of the earlier ban on organ transplants heart transplants in particular this sudden praise of bloodless heart transplants drips irony. For doesn't the heart do more than just pump blood? No, this was changed ten years earlier:

  "What are we to understand, then, by the word heart?. . . . What an amazing number of different functions and capabilities are ascribed to the heart! Do all of these reside in the literal heart? That could hardly be so. . . . in nearly a thousand other references to heart in the Bible, heart is obviously used in a figurative sense. . . . obviously, a distinction must be drawn between the heart organ and the figurative heart." (The Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1984, pp. 3-7)

  In another ironic twist, we see that less than two years later, the same magazine states:

  "The ancient Egyptians believed that the physical heart was the seat of intelligence and the emotions. They also thought that it had a will of its own. The Babylonians said that the heart housed the intellect as well as love. The Greek philosopher Aristotle taught that it was the seat of the senses and the domain of the soul. But as time passed and knowledge increased, these views were discarded. Finally the heart became known for what it is, a pump to circulate the blood throughout the body." (The Watchtower, June 1, 1986, p. 15)

  The article did not remind the reader that the WTS had taught the same as these ancients until just two years before! An inquiring JW who didnt remember this prohibition would never find out. The Watchtower Publications Index 1930-1985 is carefully edited to remove any mention of "organ transplants." This embarrassing chapter in WTS history was closed, and only the dead and wounded were left behind.

  Next chapter: Quack Science and the Risks of Blood Transfusions
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  So-called Bible Scholars........

  by hillary_step in

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  it is not a difficult thing to do to criticize wts literature, however i found this comment in a recent wt very enlightening as it seems to explain the unscholarly nature of much of what they produce.

  it also is an object lesson on how to manipulate a conditioned group of people by the use of 'trigger words'.

  i have highlighted these expressions, which are deliberately used by writing, as we have previously discussed to 'encourage' the readers to adopt a patently flawed line of reasoning.

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  Thanks for pointing this ridiculous statement out, HS.

  Obviously they are proud to be ignorant of all skills necessary to understand ancient texts.

  - Jan
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  Jw chatup lines!!!!!!!

  by haujobbz in

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  what chatup lines do you think jws were most likely to use to pull at say an assembly,mmmmm i wonder if they prepared them like say doing a talk,i bet they did because most i knew seemed under pressure to meet someone and a lot of ones i knew never pulled at assemblys due to such boring conversations with others, i mean what could they talk about.

  so cmon what chatup lines are likely to work.

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  Actually, long time ago some JW guys made a parody of the "Reasoning" book called Reasoning with the Sisters. I found it on the Net, and it seems to be what I remember. Quite funny, particularly if you remember the original.

  REASONING WITH THE SISTERS

  Introductions . . .BROTHERS/MEN
  
  * I'm talking to our sisters about where to find a practical husband to help them cope with problems of life. In the past, many sisters showed interest in brothers. But we live in a time when attitudes are changing. How do you feel about them? . . . Do you believe that brothers are just good friends? . . . If you are interested in a brother, how can you be sure he is the right one?
  
  
  CURRENT EVENTS
  
  * Good evening. My name is ---- ----. I'm a brother from (name congregation). Did you see the TV news last night? . . . That report on (mention some current item of concern, but don't talk about cars or sports), what you think about it? . . . It is not unusual for sisters to be concerned about these issues, but I believe that we are living in a time when we should be getting to know each other better. (Ask her to go out witnessing.)
  
  
  LOVE/KINDNESS
  
  * I have found many sisters are quite concerned about the lack of available brothers in the surrounding congregations. Do you feel that way too? . . . Why do you think this is the trend? . . . Did you know that I was interested in you? (Explain the reason why.)
  
  
  WHEN SISTERS SAY: "I'M BUSY"
  
  * Hi. My name is ---- ----. I wanted to discuss with you how we can get to know each other better. But I can see that you are busy (or about to go home). May we get together for lunch on Saturday after field service and discuss it further?
  
  
  How You Might Respond To Potential Conversation Stoppers . . .
  
  
  "I'M NOT INTERESTED"
  
  * May I ask, do you mean that you are not interested in me or is it brothers in general that don't interest you? I ask that because I have met many sisters who at one time were interested in brothers, but aren't anymore because they think brothers are hypocritical; (or they feel brothers are chauvinistic; or they feel brothers today are not spiritual enough, etc.). I don't approve of such attitudes myself and if you get to know me I believe we could both look to the future with confidence.
  
  * If you mean that you're not interested in having another boyfriend, I can understand that. But more likely you are interested in your future. Can you see any prospect for a relationship in the future?
  
  * Is that because you already have a boyfriend? . . . Tell me, do you think you will ever see a time when it will work out? . . . What seems to stand in the way?
  
  
  "I'M NOT INTERESTED IN YOU"
  
  * Many sisters tell me that. Have you ever wondered why brothers like myself keep trying, even though sisters generally may not be interested?
  
  * I can appreciate that, because I used to feel the same way about a sister. But, just to be fair, I decided to listen to her. And I found out that I hadn't been told the truth about her. Now we are good friends.

  From http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1060/reasoning.html

  - Jan
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  Where are the Feminine women?

  by 4skins in

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  some months ago i took my annual vacation to the land of kangaroos--you know--where men are men and sheep are skittish?

  as a social commentator i have a vested interest observing cultural changes and trends, etc.

  in the professions and trades in oz the genders dress as androgynous as their counterparts in the us.

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  plm,

  GEESH This thread took off or what? Funny!LMAO! Any popcorn left?

  Nope, sorry. We ran out of popcorn on page 4 I think.

  Wanna have a beer? Supposedly, it makes women more feminine

  - Jan

  PS: I bet there is some popcorn still available in this thread!