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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

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  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  Writers from first century-and-a-half:
  http://members.iinet.net.au/~quentinj/Christianity/No-History.html

  Not sure on the previous link!
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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  Hi Crossroads,

  I think you will find the gospels and Acts were all written around the 2nd century. All fun fiction!
  Check out this link for a timeline on all writers of the time. Mention of Jesus is surprisingly scarce/non-existence!
  > http://64.4.18.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=e6d58c3e70d95284a51d829f51b38836&lat=987705518&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fmembers%2eiinet%2enet%2eau%2f%7equentinj%2fChristianity%2fNo%2dHistory%2ehtml

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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  I guess so......

  Paul made it clear that he did not learn anything from others.

  *** Rbi8 Galatians 1:11-12 ***
  11 For I put YOU on notice, brothers, that the good news which was declared by me as good news is not something human; 12 for neither did I receive it from man, nor was I taught [it], except through revelation by Jesus Christ.

  Why would anyone take that view? Anyone living at the time would want to meet and talk to those that had lived with Jesus? Not Paul - the good news he preached was bereft of references to anything appearing in the gospels. The inference is the gospels and the substance of the gospels were not discussed etc by those early Christians. And that is the case as the first reference to them as writings was circa second century.

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  Praise Jehovah For His Great Deeds! May 15 2001 WT

  by ISP in

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  praise jehovah for his great deeds!

  may 15 2001 wt.

  page 12. thousands thronging to true worship (sub-heading).

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  Holy Cow!
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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  Hi Crossroads.....

  The good news that Paul preached came from where? Any thoughts?

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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  Hey Jeru. You made Junior Member, congrats!

  Its hard to imagine that your supposition could be correct. That Paul would elsewhere mention all sorts of facts about the historical Jesus but not in his letters.

  The fact that Paul does not mention Jesus in an historical sense is not easily argued away. In his letters he is arguing great issues like the continuing applicability of the Jewish Law, the validity of the ancient Jewish dietary regulations, whether one should obey and pay tribute to the authorities, knowing God and how to gain that knowledge, the issue of who are legitimate apostles, the nature of love and loving one's neighbour, the importance of Christ's sufferings, etc., yet he cannot draw on a single saying of Jesus in any of these cases to make his point or bolster his argument.

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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  Hi thirdson!

  When the gospels were written is only part of the problem because the apostles would NOT have to wait fot them to come into print to mention the facts of Jesus that you would expect to be known by all, especially his teachings, eschatology, moral code etc. These things would be of vital importance you would think. The silence is deafening!

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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  bjc

  Although I picked on Paul a little, the same goes for all those who wrote letters. They are by and large SILENT on what Jesus reportedly said. As far as the historical life of Jesus/his teachings are concerned-this would have to be of immense interest to all especially new converts-just as much as it is today to new converts.

  It is hard to believe that so much could have happened....so much could have been said by Jesus without it being expounded and dwelt on by the first century leaders!

  Dark Clouds
  I agree that something has to give!

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  Is it Gospel?

  by ISP in

  1. jw
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  the may 15 2000 watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the jesus seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.. it is difficult to say for yourself but i do find it remarkable that pauls letters do not contain any references to jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings.

  the sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc.

  do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations.

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  ISP

  The May 15 2000 Watchtower page 4 indicated that scholars at the Jesus Seminar had concluded that 82% of all the words attributed to Jesus in the gospels were not authentic but 'derived from later tradition'.

  It is difficult to say for yourself but I do find it remarkable that Pauls letters do not contain any references to Jesus' life, history or more importantly his teachings. The sermon the mount, lords prayer or the golden rule etc. etc. do not get a mention in his words to fledgling congregations. Whether the gospels were in circulation at the time of his writing his letters is unlikely,although the WTS dates Matthews gospel at 41CE. But irrespective you would expect his words to have been talked about and recorded in some form or other. For Paul or the other writers not to mention any of Jesus' words is supportive of the contention that much now attributed to Jesus has to be unreliable.
  *** Rbi8 Matthew 7:28 ***
  28 Now when Jesus finished these sayings, the effect was that the crowds were astounded at his way of teaching;

  (You would think those 'sayings' would be worth repeating to those far away congregations that Paul wrote to that may not have heard them.)

  Any thoughts?

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  Circle of friends

  by mommy in

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  i have a circle of friends.

  the kind of friends you can pop in whenever you are in the area, without a phone call first.

  the kind of friends i would allow to enter my house if i wasnt home, to borrow sugar, flour, toilet paper, etc, if they needed it.. we are a close knit group and watch out for each other.

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  ISP

  Hi wendy,........this was a shock.

  I am sure that it will work out BUT .........it cannot be easy.

  I am sure I would feel the same as you.

  Best wishes to you and yours,

  ISP