I also don't think the dems would *not* fix elections when they could, they were thoroughly willing to fix the primaries through any and all means necessary.
I am curious: Will you accept the result of the investigation?
Posts by bohm
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401So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Simon: Okay we agree on that definition. But did you watch the 20/20 interview yesterday and the things Trump said about voter fraud? Trump made it clear he was talking about dead people and people registered in two states. Also read the link I send you about what he said behind closed doors (i.e. the conspiracy).
In the 20/20 interview he made it clear that his beliefs were backed up by a report that documented his claims; he also said all votes illegally cast were for HRC. His findings will confirm people are registered in two states and I think we can be certain he will read that as people voting HRC. I mean, he has already done that once.
We don't need to speculate about how this will be received. It will all be believed because it is already believed.
Look at the top comments on Breitbart. It is now well-known there is wide-spread voter fraud and this is allowing the democrats to win:
It's something that's gone on for a long time most of all in the inner city urban areas.
So glad President Trump has called for a voter fraud investigation.
There is a growing mountain of evidence that prove his assertions,
and without free and fair elections, the left wins/steals it every time.Oh yes we need Anti-Voting Fraud Reform, like....
Photo ID to register & vote.
No 'motor voter' registration. (This is how California registers illegals)
30 day voter registration buffers to ensure roll audits.
No early (& often) voting.
Biometric Voting ID like fingerprinting, even on mail ballots.
No Soros voting machines.
Verifiable ballot receipts.
Then, sit back and watch another 10 states go Red.
California, goes purple overnight.Unfortunately California has elected to sell out its citizens by bestowing 800000 DLs to illegals.
America has elected to sell out its citizens by importing 60 million new Democreep voters since 1965. http://www.truthjustice.net/po...
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Simon:
Just so we are speaking the same language.
By voter fraud we can mean two things. Either actual fraud, like someone deliberately trying to cast more than one vote, or the things Trump mentioned (people being registered in more than one state, as seems to be common for his staff)
Which of the two are we talking about?
Within the actual fraud category, the question is if actual fraud happens more often than the 0.0(dunno how many)04% which is estimated today --i.e. millions of actually, false votes as Trump believes.
I think Trump 100% made that up (look at the link I send).
The problem here is that Trump IS going to find a lot in the first category -- if his own staff and family does it, it must be very common.
We both know how that is going to play out: All those double-registered votes are democrats and something must be done. Trump already said that he know this
If you don't believe me all you need to do is listen.. many people already "know" this is true on twitter.
There is no chance Trump will look like an idiot to these people. Remember, they believed the birther issue for years: All trump needs to do is to say there is evidence, or that whatever findings there is is evidence, and it will be true. The discussion will be shifted to how "liberals are freaking out over voter-fraud allegations".
What is going to happen next? Trump will call for control on voting. more regulations. Especially in inner cities. That's a prediction I am willing to make.
All this does is that it will further undermine democracy: many people will now know the election was rigged, even when their candidate won.
The question is if Trump is such an idiot he will undermine the validity of an election he won ... or if there is something else happening.
If something is found then they don't deserve the vote count they got and someone should go to prison.
Yes, I agree. But if it turns out there is no actual evidence I think Trump should be impeached.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Kasparov:
https://twitter.com/kasparov63/status/769009111098880000?lang=en
Tolokno:
Q: So Julian Assange didn’t deny that he was working with the Russian government?
A: He couldn’t deny it.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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The rape charges (by a CIA operative) looked suspect from the start IMO
I don't have a lot of specific knowledge about the rape charge. It could be true or false; if it was CIA it would (as I see it) only make him more desperate and therefore more amenable to do what he could to keep wikileaks and his own ego afloat.
I mean, what would his choice be? Work with Ivan (which involve a show on RT today, and yes he did not do that for free, and not asking where his information came from) or go to jail and find out if the black-site stuff was still on?
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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I think he's an absolute tool. But, he's an idealist and likes to think he's better than others and seems to take pride in the reputation of WikiLeaks. Being caught compromised acting against the US at the behest of Russia would ruin them and I simply don't think he is likely to do that
Why do you think he has a RT today show?
Who actually supports Assange on the wikileaks staff? (I only know about the anonymous post that said he was compromised and all of the original staff had left because they believed he was a fascist in it for the fame)
Why do the "serious" russian dissidents, left to right, believe he is compromised?
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Trump is either on to something with the election fraud or he isn't. If he isn't, he'll look a schmuck. If it turns out he is, and there is strong evidence that he might be from some reports, then the people who've been shouting "no way!" will look silly and it will be pretty devastating to dems.
Of course he will find wide spread "voter fraud"! He said so on the ABC 20/20 interview himself!
People who are dead and registered (because people die)! People who are registered in two states! (like his entire staff seems to be).
He will conclude all of these people must have voted HRC. He is already spreading lies (yes, lies!) about people who have told him they were standing in line with south-Americans (he know they were!) and then told to leave the line. This too will be believed to be true (I very much hope you will read this piece)
Then a few cases of genuine voter-fraud which can be stamped up (someone tells someone to vote for him, whatever, this happens every year in our elections) will be found an paraded around as "evidence" every single dead registered voter voted liberal.
Don't believe me?
The "the election was rigged" meme is already being spread as true on the alt-right twittersphere if you look into it using the usual lines: "You are just mad because you lost the election even though it was rigged".
Breitbart is going to support this claim, or rather, how important that investigation is. It will then find a number of double-registered voters and dead voters (even though there is no evidence actually false votes were cast) and THAT will be used as a line to further de-legitimize THAT aspect of the american democracy as well.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Simon:
Another reason is that I doubt WikiLeaks would risk having links to Russian state sponsored hacking and be shown to be partisan.
I think you should look into Assange...
The original staff of wikileaks left because they came to believe Assange is a fascist who are in it for his own fame --- that's from Anonymous.
Remember the timeline: Assange leaked left and right about everyone up to around 2011 (I am not 100% sure about the year); he was on record saying the purpose of Wikileaks was to call out totalitarian regimes such as Putins Russia. He then reported he had a large treasure-trove of Russian information. Around that time the American banks cut off donations and wikileaks were about to go bust.
Suddenly Assange is at the embassy fleeing rape charges, and a moment later he is on RT today (Kremlin/Putin controlled propaganda outlet) IN Russia and wikileaks have no more financial problems...
After 2011 wikileaks have leaked information damaging for US/EU interests and not said a peep about Putin except some very general noises all the while leaking material believed to originate from FSB. You can find his name all over pro-Putin propaganda material and crackpottery.
This is not a far-left theory.. this is widely held by the Russian dissidents left to right, from Kasparov (by no means left; he believes Obama was one of the worst presidents and Regan the best) to Pussy Riot who, after a meeting with Assange, said he was compromised.
I know this is circumstantial but why do we know Assange is one of the good guys except he was believed to be around 2010?
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Simon: I thought about what you said yesterday, that the recount perhaps wasn't some stupid random shit but Trump might know something (I think that was what you said).
Here is my current line of thinking:
- According to the NSA/FBI/CIA Putins strategy for influencing democracy both in Russia and abroad has always been to primarily delegitimize democracy rather than influencing it, to show it is every bit as fake as any other form of government.
- According to the report, there is no evidence the cyberattack against the USA tried to affect the vote count, rather it was about stealing emails and spreading them via wikipedia as well as disseminating propaganda via putinbots and propaganda outlets such as RT today.
- HOWEVER voting databases were hacked. This piece of information has gotten very little coverage.
- Now Trump is performing an investigation which will involve these same databases...
I don't know if this has any relevancy, it might just be random shit from Trump. But it is an odd coincidence. On the plus side Trump can do little to affect voting laws (I checked and they are determined at state level). But if you want to delegitimize democracy you first go after the free press (done!), then you go after the fairness of the elections...
Bonus fact: Voting databases were also hacked in the Philipines a month before the election, a country where the elected president (a populist much like Trump) can't stop telling the world how much he adores Putin.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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Yeah, but then the left has been calling everyone a nazi since forever.
Simon: Yes I agree and that is terrible etc. etc. as I have said so many times in this thread.
The point is that now we got a guy who really behaves like Hugo Chavez did when he grapped power and that is what I speak out against. I did not spend the last 8 years calling everyone a nazi (I dare you to find a quote) and I don't think trump is a Nazi (or Bannon for the matter), but they ARE pushing really dangerous ideas with deep ties to totalitarian agendas; the concept of a lying press and a pro-state "trusted" press being one of them.
The solution to that can't be to try and make the radical left shut up about nazis because it won't happen for 30 years --- trust me, I have tried to communicate with some of them and it ain't going to work ever (I got shouted down in the usual manner), they are as impossible to talk with as any breitbot.
We got to prioritize our resources. Trump will only galvanize the radical left and make them more extreme; he is basically the single best piece of evidence for Patriarchy ever. The solution to that is to call out extreme thinking, left and right, to draw the parallels there are there and have people step out of their echo-chambers.