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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  Simon: I think at this point we just have to agree to disagree on this issue...
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  Right now it seems the main goal was to promote identity politics and differences, to carve people up into groups which is what the dems just love to do.
  

  you can't see a smidgen of irony in that statement?

  
  

  Anything the left does to avoid addressing their own issues is the wrong direction.

  Well, if you believe that I assume you also believe this statement: "Anything the right does to avoid addressing their own issues is the wrong direction." ?

  I fully support calling out sillyness on the left --I think I have made that abundantly clear on this thread-- but what we call out must not be left/right sillyness, it must be sillyness and lies and propaganda itself.

  You yourself brought up the concept that idiocy matters more or less depending on how much power it has (the nazis that could fit in a room statement). I also subscribe to that idea. That's why I think the lunatics in the white house needs to be held accountable.

  
  

  
  
  
  
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  Simon:

  The neo-nazis / extreme right were not any threat, they were a fringe of a fringe who could barely fill a small room. You will never eradicate such groups completely but they were really nothing.

  I agree! (with the fringe-bit. Not the small room-bit since I do not know).

  The nut-left created themselves because they kept being given more and more power and influence. When that happens, it never gets to a point where people say "OK, thanks, we have enough now!". They want more ... and more

  I 100% agree

  At some point, there is a rejection of it because it all goes too far. Now, for some people, you're a nazi just for being white or a rapist just for being a man and having the audacity to exist.

  I 100% agree. Those people are irrational. They are hurting the public discourse and prevents us from focusing on real issues, even issues they care about (Treatment of women in Islam).

  But here is the flip-side.

  The nut-left grew (as a matter of fact) in large parts by convincing its adherents that the Nazis and KKK were really not just a bunch of hillbillies in trailers in the backwater of nowhere but that "they" were actually in control... that society was systematically oppressing women, that racism is as ingrained in society as ever before and if you do not agree you are part of the problem.

  That propaganda mostly consisting of real, actual grievances that were repeated again and again. And so the nut-left created an alternative reality where everyone else were not the enemy and there was a high demand for ideological purity. That is why you can de-platform a woman like Hirsi Ali: While they recognize (at some level) this is unfair to her, they do so for a higher cause (fight oppression of all women as they see it).

  Causally, the Nazis, the real violence against women etc. is involved in that story, but that does not mean you can fix things by fixing the Nazis. Just like poverty and oppression is involved in many Islamic terrorists stories if you go back, that does not mean we fix the problem of Islamic terrorism by making it about poverty.

  Then we get to the nut right... Yes, causally the nut-left is involved. The breitbart propaganda's solution for everything IS to point fingers to the nut-left after all and you can read the comment thread to see that the liberals have morphed into something as scary as the patriarchy for the typical breitbot.

  However, the nut-right is also full of lies, exagerations, propaganda. Often homegrown, but in part also systematically spread by a hostile government... the same crazy you see on the left is at work on the right, just give it time and you are going to see the calls for ideological purity. Did you know it is widely known on the alt-right that McCain is a senile old fool? Watch the language. Notice how when someone from the GOP points out Trump lies they are "attacking" Trump. What should we do when a lapsed soul attack the dear leader?

  Then there is the science-denialism... the conspiracies (voter fraud & birtherism)... the thinly veiled racism (just read the comments).. the (and this is the big one!) endless pessimism about everything. Sounds familiar?

  All this has been around for decades, and is being fed into the SJW propaganda mill who lab it up and tries to paint every conservative in this mold.

  It is the same type of crazy and errors that are going around. We can't say that the cause of the nut-left is the nut-right (even though they figure in their propaganda) any less than we can say the cause of the nut-right is the nut-left (even though they figure in their propaganda).

  Right now I focus on the nut-right because they happen to be the ones in power.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  I find it fascinating how "the left" get's the blame for Trump because of the "bad things" the nut-left has said (uuuhh bathrooms!) which scare ordinary, reasonable Americans into Trumps arms.

  I can easily understand the psychology behind that rationalization. But it makes no sense!

  If we are really willing to believe that kind of "lack-of-agency" explanations for how people behave, we should of course say that the REAL cause of the nut-left is the nut-right (the neo-nazis, the birthers, the crazies...). Why? they simply scared good, reasonable Americans into the arms of the extreme left!

  So the cause of the nut-right is the nut-left, and the cause of the nut-left is the nut right, and the cause of....

  And round and round it goes....

  We (I include myself) should own it up: By focusing on this or that point that was wrong with Hillary, the nut-right was hard at work with a gigantic smear, lie and propaganda campaign partly run by Putin. That campaign was successful and it got Trump in office.

  We now got a wannabe fascist in control of the nukes and the solution to THAT is not to ensure nobody on the nut-left ever again complain about bathrooms on tumbler or punch a nazi...

  We are all (moderate liberals and conservatives) in the back of the bus run by the crazies. Our focus should be on combatting irrationality wherever we see it and where it does the most damage. Right now that happens to be the nut-right...
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  I agree Azor. phew. This topic have been very heated right? I think it will be good to take a break from discussing the serious issues facing this country (a peaceful protest of mainly women) and mention some more light-hearted stuff.

  For instance, Donald Trump just saw this statistic on The Oreily Factor:

  
  

  ...and went to twitter to announce he would send in "the feds" in Chicago if things didn't improve.

  https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824080766288228352

  I am happy the president decides to violate the 10th amendment of the US constitution based on some random crap in a tv-show lol!

  Donald Trump is quite literally an old man yelling at his TV except he tweets whatever pops into the mind and he has nuclear weapons.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  Those doggone females and races oughtta be glad for what they got. "The left" as if it is one big homogenous entity.

  x 1000.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  Did lots of women just have non-refundable flight and hotel bookings for what they expected was going to be Clinton's inauguration? LOL

  I saw that on twitter too, it is a little funny..
  But I also got one: For all the women who attended the march because they had booked flights and felt they had to, let's remember the women who wanted to attend the march but had other obligations:

  https://twitter.com/Marv_Vien/status/823621167621619713
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  OK, so that is what you are going with now as the reason for the march ... is that your final answer? It only took 20 pages ...

  No. I think the people in the march had different reasons for going but that is probably a reason many shared.

  Other reasons are his position on global warming (and the environment in general), his idea of building a border wall, pulling out of TPP, limiting access to birth control, his various sayings about minority groups including the idea of a national registry (a republican concerned about the constitution could easily get upset about that idea), that everything about him seems to have to do with Russia, that he is a fraud and conman, that he is the posterchild of a war against truth and honesty in public discourse and that three intelligence agencies believe the Russians were involved in the election campaign and selected him as a preferred candidate. Do you have any idea about how livid the (pretty damn conservative) ex-intelligence community is about that?

  ...but you are right: There are also people who were in the march for reasons I cannot support, or which makes no sense.

  If you are really interested in the question why not go to social media and ask around? Or read about the march from people who supported it, as opposed to the people selected by the alt-right media?
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  You know it is not simply about certain cuss words. It's the hypocrisy that the march was to protest Trump's language, language that was apparently so objectionable but suddenly OK

  Quite frankly, I don't know that. I don't think the march was to protest the use of the word "fuck" or similar. Just to make it clear: Your claim is that the march was about protesting swear words like "fuck", etc.? That brought 4M men and women to the streets?

  What I think many objected to (I certainly do) is a president who brags about grabbing women in the crotch, asides all the other Trump crap. What he describe is sexual harassment. It is not the word "pussy", but that he feels he can go up to woman and grab them by their genitals.
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  SJW thinking on the right: The lack of agency

  by bohm in

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  the nut-left got a dilemma with islamic terrorism: on one hand their natural instinct is to defend muslims from any (perceived) attack on islam and on the other hand radical islam is shock full of values that are 100% opposed to everything they believe: the nut-left would simply be stoned to death in a country which properly followed sharia law.. how do you fix the cognitive dissonance?

  well, the standard script includes the following items:.

  first, you don't really defend sharia, at least not in its entirety, but spend time talking about the evils of the west, in particular, israel.

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  Jesus H Christ, you can't see that he's acting as a parody? that it's ridicule? You genuinely believe he was "triggered" and having a leftist-style meltdown?

  I think part of it was acting, yes, because it is not reasonable to expect him to have the meltdown when he knows what is in the tweet before making the video. But I think the emotions he show are based on real anger. As you said yourself two days ago the march (or I assume, the views of people in the march) also made you angry.