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  Accounts of Jesus From Hostile Ancient Sources

  by Perry in

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  from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn the following:.

  jesus was born and lived in palestine.

  he was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter.

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  shadow:

  An insignificant, illiterate, itinerant preacher with a tiny following, who went wholly unnoticed by any literate person in Judaea somehow started a religion that changed the world.

  Yes, it is indeed very interesting. I am just now listening to a podcast on the first world war; did you know that the assasination attempt on Franz Ferdinand first failed and it was only by a series of coincidences the would-be assasin later that day came near Ferdinand when his car accidently stalled outside the bar where the assasin was eating a sandwhich? We could aks the same question: how did an insignificant serbian nationalist who desided to eat a sandwhich somehow cause WW1 and WW2?

  Jesus started a small religion like so many others; then by wild coincidences, and because the historical circumstances was correct, that religion grew (and changed properly beyond all recognition!) to take over the remains of the roman empire and here we are today.
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  How to tell how effective JW.TV will be

  by bohm in

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  here is a simple and obvious way to tell how effective jw.tv is going to be:.

  in the past, how effective has religious tv been for you?

  has watching religious tv made by moonies, evangelists, mormons or scientologists made you seriously reflect on spirituality?

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  jwfacts: if you made it to the end you deserve a medal :-).

  Anyway, I think the use of rock music to give a more popular appeal is GREAT news. The obvious point to compare against is the the evangelic church in the US which is strugling very badly to retain the younger generation:

  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/the-decline-of-evangelical-america.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  if there is one trend I associate with the evangelic church is is the attempt to make it appear more "cool" to the younger generation using all the techniques middle-age people assume teenagers think are cool like bad rock music, books and tv programs with biblical themes. This obviously isn't a recipe that guarantes success.
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  How to tell how effective JW.TV will be

  by bohm in

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  here is a simple and obvious way to tell how effective jw.tv is going to be:.

  in the past, how effective has religious tv been for you?

  has watching religious tv made by moonies, evangelists, mormons or scientologists made you seriously reflect on spirituality?

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  slobbyjoe: I think the tv is already effective. It's not about conversions, it's not about donations. It's about the organization advancing due to jehovahs blessing and convincing the current jws of that.

  And it will work wonders the next six months, it is already now all over facebook. Then what? Whats really next for Jehovah? A movie? A drama series with a biblical theme? childrens TV? A closed social-media platform would IMO be a disaster.

  Religious TV has been done since the 80s. Other religions (most notably scientology) has been trying their best at the internet. Is this really something that is affecting us?
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  How to tell how effective JW.TV will be

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here is a simple and obvious way to tell how effective jw.tv is going to be:.

  in the past, how effective has religious tv been for you?

  has watching religious tv made by moonies, evangelists, mormons or scientologists made you seriously reflect on spirituality?

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  Justnowout:

  We don't really know what the TV is going to be comprised of yet, but lets assume that it's roughly going to be about a mix of "Sister Ann used to do drugs, now she is a jehovahs witness, see how happy she is", an old guy talking about the bible, caleb/sofia, a play or something else aimed at children and how awfull everything is in russia. In other words, it will be the average convention/meeting experience with better production value.

  The point here is that (in my view) many don't really go to conventions to hear the talks which they can't recall afterwards anyway, but to show others that they go to conventions, to chat, because "that is what everyone else does", for the experience, to find a mate or to meet other people. The TV-show should more or less be compared against a DVD recording of an old convention: If this was really exciting to the average dub, DVD recordings would already circulate quite far and wide and be viewed often. I know recordings do circulate and some obviously watch them, but how often did you get a recording and watched it for the great experience in your living room? If you had access to 12 recordings, would you watch one every month? I could be wrong (never was a dub) but I would bet my girlfriend when she was the most in would not have bothered at all.

  My point is not this will be a disaster, I would guess half of all jehovahs witness would watch this regularly. But getting most JWs to watch this somewhat regularly is *not* a success unless it translate into getting them more exited and involved than just going to meetings, reading magasines, doing service and once in a while a book. I just don't think TV is very effective at that.

  More importantly, this is saying nothing about getting OTHER people involved. So far I cannot imagine this will be effective AT ALL for that job.
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  How to tell how effective JW.TV will be

  by bohm in

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  2. friends

  here is a simple and obvious way to tell how effective jw.tv is going to be:.

  in the past, how effective has religious tv been for you?

  has watching religious tv made by moonies, evangelists, mormons or scientologists made you seriously reflect on spirituality?

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  Here is a simple and obvious way to tell how effective JW.TV is going to be:

  In the past, how effective has religious TV been for you? Has watching religious TV made by moonies, evangelists, mormons or scientologists made you seriously reflect on spirituality? Has it ever made you do anything? Has it even come close?

  For me, the answer is a resounding no. In my experience religious TV has always been a complete joke, even less effective by far than talks or books promoting a particular religion. I cannot put a finger on why this is the case but it just appears to be so.

  Turning to the particular case of JW TV I don't even think they did a good job insofar as religious TV is concerned. What is their most important story? That they build a TV set in two months. Who exactly are going to be impressed by this information? Suppose scientology claimed to have build a TV set in a single month, would anyone give a crap?

  The content was awfull; within three minutes we had both heard that the TV show was a trial yet god had helped them build the tv-set. This is both contradictory and cultish. I could not bother to watch all of it but it seems comprised of booring talks and was unecesarily bland and condescending: "what come after twelve....thirteeeeen!".

  No doubt the quality will improve, but I still have a hard time imagining anyone who is not a JW would really choose to watch this type of show over other content freely available. I am also curious if even hard-core JWs will want to watch it, it seems like meeting/convention type content but without any of the social interaction or peer preasure.

  It is going to make for great youtube material though.
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  Is the AGM today?

  by hamsterbait in

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  anybody going or who can give us the noolite hot from the gb a$$?.

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  3rdgen: lol! Hillarious
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  Barbie doll is now a JW!!!

  by wolfman85 in

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  unbelievable, this is too much!!!.

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  This must be a photoshop
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  Is science a tool, or a source of philosophy?

  by EdenOne in

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  is science simply a powerful tool, or must it also dictate adherence to strict secularism?.

  science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say.

  - gilbert keith chesterton.

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  Well according to some religions the world is flat, according to science it is not. If we on the other hand consider a philosophers god who made the world just as we observe it there cannot by definition be a contradiction with scientific ontology
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  Is science a tool, or a source of philosophy?

  by EdenOne in

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  is science simply a powerful tool, or must it also dictate adherence to strict secularism?.

  science must not impose any philosophy, any more than the telephone must tell us what to say.

  - gilbert keith chesterton.

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  Do we talk about scientific/religious ontology or epistomology?
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  UK KH projection equipment

  by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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  as everyone knows, there have been major changes in kh financing recently.

  this means that congs should only have funds equal to 3 months expenditure on hand - send the rest to the borg.

  in the uk there has also been an appeal to send extra funds to finance the new bethel (if we are going to print our own literature and show videos on the doors, why do they need a new bethel?).

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  is the letter specific about where the equipment should be ordered from?