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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  3rdgen: It started as a womans march but it obviously became something else: A we-dont-want-Trump protest.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  3rdgen:

  Obama didn't offer real revolutionary change, neither would HRC. But Obama did get the economy more on the right course (unemployment is very low) and did do some good.

  What the choice is between is a continuation of existing policies (HRC) or Trump. The women marched against Trump because it was evident for a lot of us how bad he would be --- guess what, he has actually EXCEEDED my worst expectations. Take this story:

  
  

  Is this worth protesting?

  I know, I know: The women could not protest that at the womens march because it had not yet happened. But many of us knew something like this would happen, or could happen, under Trump. Guess what? It is now becoming a reality.

  Trump just gave ISIS their biggest propaganda victory ever. He did not make the US more safe but less.

  We are about a week in. We now know the US tax payers are going to pay for his stupid wall, that he does not have a plan for ISIS (he just asked the pentagon to come up with one so there..), he has royally pissed of mexico (and I don't only mean just insulting them; he is threatening mexico in a major way) and the chinese are saying war is now a practical reality (yep, that also happened).

  This comes on top of all the other trump bullshit, like being anti-vaxer and climate change denier...

  Between those things I think it is possible to find something to protest..
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  3rdgen: I don't get it. You say it is okay to protest out of "fear" if that fear is about Row Vs. Vade but not if it is about e.g. the ban on muslims Trump was floating before being president?
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  (Wrong thread)
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  You expect the most fervent Trump supporters to do it for you?

  No, I CERTAINLY don't.

  
  

  Yes, I said from the start that anything less than handing over the full server would not be enough to exonerate her and IMO shows there was utterly damning things deleted if she was willing to take the hit for lying and covering it up. And so many links to Islamic Brotherhood ...

  So Trump must now hand over his email server? I think that sounds like a good idea, but I would settle for much less. For instance, just a list of the countries he owes money or tax returns ;-)

  And so many links to Islamic Brotherhood ...

  What is the clearest link between HRC and the IB?

  
  

  He's done some stupid things, mostly appointments, but to be fair he's also getting shit done. You start wondering was Obama was doing for the last 8 years ... talk show circuit?

  damaged US/mexico relations, China is threatening war, given ISIS the single biggest propaganda victory they have ever had; I bet they are going to name this a national holiday.

  Not talking about all the fallout. Iran just banned US from Iran. Now what about Nuclear inspectors? There goes the Iran nuclear deal...

  
  

  Oh by the way, on the topic of imitating the nut-left, I think we can safely say the witch-hunts within own ranks is firmly on:

  
  

  It makes perfect sense Breitbarts is going to be used to damage those within own ranks who stands against Trump.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  I'm sure you would like that. But it would be like saying that Islam and Christianity are "both as bad as each other". Convenient, for some, but not really an accurate representation of how widespread an issue is on either side.

  Well, the fail train is only one week into it's journey and quite frankly, I am seeing stupidity on a scale which I cannot recall...
  
  
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  bohm

  Yes, the email server is hypocritical ... but your candidate spent the last 2 years saying it's no big deal and her supported excused it as no big deal. So trying to make a big deal out of it is also hypocritical.

  Oh please!

  I am not claiming that the private email server in itself is a big deal. I didn't do it with HRC, I don't do it with Trump: That's called consistency.

  IS it a big deal? Well, the Trump supporters said it was for 2 years. Emails, email everywhere!. Now: Crickets. I agree if I go on and on about the server now THAT is hypocritical, but please wait until I begin to do that :-).

  I also seem to remember you brought up the email server but my memory might be failing me ;-)
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  No, there is a decent chance that it's the action of some extremist. But there is nowhere near the number of people celebrating or excusing it. I'm sure you can find them, but not in the same numbers.

  Very few are going to say: It is okay to burn down a mosque. Just like very few people are going to say: Yah it is okay to punch spence.

  What you will see (not that I think it will ever be reported on Breitbart because, you know, there are still stories about Madonna worth printing) are people who will say: well yah but what about <beheading video, stoning, etc. etc.>.

  if we can agree that the nut-left and nut-right are both hypocritical that is completely fine :-D.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

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  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  Then what is your point? You were suggesting some hypocrisy, it seems there is more hypocrisy on the left than on the right.

  Can we agree just for the sake of my own sanity that "the left" consist of very diverse viewpoints where it is important to distinguish between someone like me and those on the far nut-left?

  As for hypocrisy:

  What about the private email servers run by Trump?

  I seem to recall something about HRCs email server being a problem...

  http://www.salon.com/2017/01/27/president-trumps-voters-seem-to-be-fine-with-him-using-a-private-email-poll/
  http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/31/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-explained/

  Where's all the "love trumps hate" gone? What about "he will not divide us"? The left far left divides itself and advocates and celebrates violence when it suits them. That is hypocrisy.
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  So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  it seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.

  i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?

  ... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?

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  There were lots of people saying that punching someone in the street is somehow justified.

  ...And you don't think there are "lots" of people saying that burning down a mosque is okay?

  You seem to want to excuse one of them. Why can't both be condemned? Where is the hypocrisy?

  Have I done that at ANY point so far?

  Show me once on this thread where I have said it was okay to punch spence?

  The point here is that the alt-right is deeply hypocritical: A peaceful demonstration of women against a deeply flawed administration must by all means be demonized and painted as irrational and spoiled whereas when a mosque goes up in flames you got crickets.

  You want to bet 100$ that it was not the electric installations which short-circuited?