LisaRose: I meant the WH press conference. You really must see it, it is one of the most surreal things I have seen in my life:
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58Women's March on Washington
by azor inmy support is with the marchers in washington and around the country today.
i was raised through my formative years by my mother and sister while my father was out of the picture.
they gave me the compassion i have today.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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bohm
Right now, the left is a pitiful wreck of whiny annoying cretins that need a slap.
I am part of the left, do you think I am a whiny annoying cretin that needs a slap?
Didn't you just write that one of the things the left does wrong is to demonize white working-class America? Isn't that exactly what you are doing here?
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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bohm
Oh and just a thing.
I agree that the monetary ties between large, mainstream media sources and big business deserve scrutiny. But if we are going to use that as an argument to distrust the mainstream press we got to recognize that the "youtube truthtellers" too have a monetary interest in what they are doing. Case in point, Gad saad (and I haven't listened to enough of him to form a view of him) is getting a very sizeable monthly sum on patreon for putting out videos which (I assume) has a general ideological flavor.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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bohm
Free press? Define "free". You mean the corporate for-profile press with close ties to politicians? No, I don't trust them. There are some good journalists doing good work, they are typically not the headlines that tend to focus on the unimportant. Real issues are complex and require work to expose and explain.
By free press I mean the mainstream press, nytimes, WSJ, WAPO, etc. Thank you for answering my questions. I disagree nearly 100% but I don't think I can change your view -- this is not saying that I think the press is 100% reliable.
Do you think Trump is more or less prone to lying than the mainstream press?
I trust what I can read myself.
So does I. That's why I don't post things as, say, Rybolovlevs plane being spotted in Concorde, NC the same day Trump held a rally there (Rybolovles was the same person who brought a 95M house from Trump, arguably above market price) because I can't verify it.
But let's take todays press conference: According to the Trump administration, the inaguation was the most attended in all of history (is that true?), there were more people on the subway than during the Obama inaguation (is that true?) and it was the first time protective pads were used on the lawn (is that true?). This information appears to be in conflict with other evidence reported from many different sources.
What am I to make of that?
All sources of news tells things that are false, or put a spin on events. I think we both agree that is bad, but in that case it is bad both when Trump does it and when CNN does it. The truth is the truth no matter who tells it.
Try arguing for the opposite point of view and you might learn things about people and your own beliefs.
The past months I have read RT today and breitbart every day. I try to follow the nut-right on youtube as well. It is very enlightening. What sources that oppose your view do you follow on a regular basis?
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Women's March on Washington
by azor inmy support is with the marchers in washington and around the country today.
i was raised through my formative years by my mother and sister while my father was out of the picture.
they gave me the compassion i have today.
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bohm
Lisa:
Trump has said there are no real protesters to his election, they are either paid protesters or violent extremists. I am sure he will just say the numbers are just being exaggerated by the media, just like he said they lied about how few attended his inauguration, be we saw what we saw: hundreds of thousands of people telling Trump to stuff it.
I wished I had gone as well. Trumpism can't take peaceful protests because a peaceful protest indicates that those protesting are peaceful and reasonable.
I predict there will be a ton of propaganda pushing two ideas:
1) The protests are not peaceful (cue picture of a overturned car, somewhere, and much talk about Black lives matter)
2) some of the protesters had ridiculous signs and are really just liberal crybabies.
BTW, spot on about the crowd-size. Did you watch the press conference?
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Women's March on Washington
by azor inmy support is with the marchers in washington and around the country today.
i was raised through my formative years by my mother and sister while my father was out of the picture.
they gave me the compassion i have today.
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bohm
It is a small but loud element on the left and right that are causing these issues. As we disenfranchise the mass in the middle we push them to the extremes.
This is very true. The funny thing is that rhetorically these two factions are nearly indistinguishable (outrage, shock, ridicule, intellectual superiority, victimhood) and feed off each other by continuously pointing out the worst actions of "the other camp". Problems in their own camp is always met with: "Yes but look at..." -
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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bohm
Simon: Please help me understand your worldview. You do not trust the free press anymore? Do you not trust the CIA/FBI's conclusions regarding the 2016 election?
Who then do you trust?
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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bohm
The main-stream corporate liberal media eroded trust in themselves a long time ago.
The collusion between them and Clinton was shown up.Very well! Step 1 is complete: Sow distrust in the free press.
I would recommend everyone to watch the full first press conference in full:
I simply can't believe this is happening.
Simon: Regarding the Gad Saad video, well, it is good he speaks out about hypocrisy & lies; that's what I am trying to do regarding the trump administration.
But there is a great difference if random SJW unemployed youtuber say something crazy, or lies, or exaggerates, or appear unhinged compared if the president of the USA does the same.
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bohm
You still don't get it. The scale of what is important to you can be different to what is important to others. It's not simply whether any one reason is rational or not, it's that they are not all weighted equally and consistently by everyone
Of course I recognize that. However this does not mean all weightings of what is important are equally rational. I can't consistently think that I have objective, rational reasons to think Trump is disqualified to be president in a way no other candidate I can think of has been (this, by the way, include Nixon who at least was rational and made good decisions) and at the same time think that a coal-miner in the middle of America does not have access to those same reasons.
Sure, we can say that this coal-miner because he is a coal-miner simply must vote trump because HRC supporters say mean thing about him, but that is not a rational reason for voting Trump and I think it is depriving him of basic agency.
I will put it like this: If HRC spend all her day saying that my particular social class was trash, and Trump spend all day saying my particular social class was the best, that would still not provide a rational reason to vote Trump because he remains a much more flawed candidate.
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So, the Womens March ... What Is It For?
by Simon init seems like mobilizing after the election, which seems pointless.
i keep hearing demands for equal rights but don't understand what rights they are missing exactly.. normally a march is to show the support (and potential votes) for a cause, but ... votes for what?
... and the election happened already.. is anyone else confused?
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bohm
Arguing about who's "event" had the most people is as unimportant as who won the popular vote. It doesn't change anything.
