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  One Thing I Don't Get About Brexit

  by JW_Rogue in

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  2. experiences

  how did such a weighty decision get put directly in the hands on the average citizen?

  and with only a simple majority required?

  in the usa the biggest thing that people vote on directly is city building projects or infrastructure.

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  Johnfree: i am sorry, but that is not what the commision does. I am on an ipad but i recommend you read about it on the net. Briefly, the commission draft legislation which is then voted on. The commission has to be selected and confirmed democratically every 4 years. Compare to role of other appointed officials in democratic systems
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  One Thing I Don't Get About Brexit

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did such a weighty decision get put directly in the hands on the average citizen?

  and with only a simple majority required?

  in the usa the biggest thing that people vote on directly is city building projects or infrastructure.

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  bohm

  Simon: i tried to look into the claims about EU waste and unelected members its really difficult to demonstrate its any worse than in the local governments, ymmw
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  One Thing I Don't Get About Brexit

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did such a weighty decision get put directly in the hands on the average citizen?

  and with only a simple majority required?

  in the usa the biggest thing that people vote on directly is city building projects or infrastructure.

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  bohm

  I agree many felt that way tornapart, but were they?
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  Observations: If man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  observations: if man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .... if men were only machines, they would react more or less uniformly to a material universe.

  individuality, much less personality, would be nonexistent.. materialism reduces man to a soulless automaton and constitutes him merely an arithmetical symbol finding a helpless place in the mathematical formula of an unromantic and mechanistic universe.

  but whence comes all this vast universe of mathematics without a master mathematician?

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  bohm

  Okay Believer, so the principle you are following is that if I don't know how something works that means your explanation is correct?

  If not, please explain what principle you are following because I am confused...
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  Observations: If man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  observations: if man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .... if men were only machines, they would react more or less uniformly to a material universe.

  individuality, much less personality, would be nonexistent.. materialism reduces man to a soulless automaton and constitutes him merely an arithmetical symbol finding a helpless place in the mathematical formula of an unromantic and mechanistic universe.

  but whence comes all this vast universe of mathematics without a master mathematician?

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  bohm

  Sorry but that's not how it works. That I don't know how conscience works does not mean your favored idea is correct. Also I don't know how you get the idea of "spontaneously created itself" from, that sounds utterly bizarre.
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  Observations: If man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  observations: if man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .... if men were only machines, they would react more or less uniformly to a material universe.

  individuality, much less personality, would be nonexistent.. materialism reduces man to a soulless automaton and constitutes him merely an arithmetical symbol finding a helpless place in the mathematical formula of an unromantic and mechanistic universe.

  but whence comes all this vast universe of mathematics without a master mathematician?

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  How do you know a machine cannot do those things?
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  One Thing I Don't Get About Brexit

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did such a weighty decision get put directly in the hands on the average citizen?

  and with only a simple majority required?

  in the usa the biggest thing that people vote on directly is city building projects or infrastructure.

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  bohm

  freddo: The ballot should have been like this:

  What do you prefer?
  [ ] Leave the EU
  [ ] Remain in the EU
  [ ] A pint of beer
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  One Thing I Don't Get About Brexit

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did such a weighty decision get put directly in the hands on the average citizen?

  and with only a simple majority required?

  in the usa the biggest thing that people vote on directly is city building projects or infrastructure.

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  bohm

  Re. emotions:

  the government hadn't appeared to listen

  People felt that they were being micromanaged
  They also felt that the country's infrastructure was breaking down
  They felt too that their national identity was being eroded
  They didn't feel that their concerns were being taken seriously
  So finally they lost patience and walked.

  One could also ask in another way: Did the people do it's job to investigate what the EU was and what the benefits of being a member of the EU is?
  
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  One Thing I Don't Get About Brexit

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how did such a weighty decision get put directly in the hands on the average citizen?

  and with only a simple majority required?

  in the usa the biggest thing that people vote on directly is city building projects or infrastructure.

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  bohm

  JW_rogue: That's a very good question. The big problem is the sheer amount of FUD floating around.. when unpopular decisions are made politicians are pretty quick to blame the EU because it wont hurt them politically. That means many people just "know" the EU is not democratic, inefficient, wasteful, enact stupid rules etc.

  On top of that the right-wing nationalistic anti-EU movements all across Europe keeps selling the EU as a bureaucratic (non-democratic) body that keeps on growing. The "non-democratic" part is FUD, however the growing part is true. For instance the EU had to draft a ton of banking legislation in the wake of the recent banking crisis with the Greek to stabilize the economy. But is that really a bad thing? One way or the other that legislation would have to be made, and by ensuring the same legislation for all of EU this ensures no unfair competitive advantage.
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  Some Comments On Facebook From Some Of My Relatives After Leaving EU

  by disillusioned 2 in

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  everyone talking about leaving the eu, i am concerned and excited.

  mostly i look forward to seeing bible prophecy coming true and i keep my mum in the forefront of my mind.. me too sis!.

  we left eu.

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  I would be tempted to troll them. Like write optimistically we might be heading for financial meltdown or something