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  WHAT IS FACT. ( A bizarre fantazy)

  by new hope and happiness in

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  i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.

  in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.

  love is conditional.

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  NHaH: I think you need to more firmly distinguish between the particular claim ("The cat is white") and the belief in the claim (I believe it is nearly certainly true that "the cat is white"). Much post-modern waffle on truth and facts arise by confusing the two, for instance it is argued that since we can never know for certain that a cat is white (the second type of claim) the first type of statement does not make sense, or since two people can have different beliefs about the cat (say one can think the cat is white and the other black; again a claim of the second type) we cannot make sense of the factual statement "the cat is white".

  Once this distinction is made, and once we accept knowledge is not certainty nor have to be, a lot of philosophical deadwood is swept away.
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  WHAT IS FACT. ( A bizarre fantazy)

  by new hope and happiness in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think my earlier post " what is a fact" has run it's course.

  in this thread i would like to present the same question " what is a fact" from a different viewpoint.. many j.w children have loving parents ( that is a fact) but parents who insanley demanded unquestioning obidience to their deranged standards.. so " what is a fact" to innocent children is that a god who they have never seen nor heard, will destroy them if they dont live to the g.bs deranged standards.. so basically these children have been taught the wrong meaning of words:-.

  love is conditional.

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  Crossposting:

  The emphasis on words like fact, truth, proven or certainty in conjuction with scientific ideas is in my oppinion a misunderstanding of the nature of science and knowledge in general. It is much more usefull to consider science as obtained ideas that are usefull in the sense of making predictions; when these predictions turn out to be confirmed or disconfirmed on evidence, this allow us to increase or decrease our confidence in the ideas. "Usefull", "trustworthy" or "properly true" are in my oppinion a more usefull vocabulary.

  Bertrand Russell, in his history of western philosophy, discuss this as the difference between the english and continential enlightenment: The continential enlightenment (Kant is a good example) conceptualize the process of obtaining knowledge as starting out from certain ideas that are assumed to be self-evidently true and then deducing consequences that must then be true as well. The english enlightenment view knowledge as being piecemeal, tentative and not necesarily strictly true. Russell illustrate the obtained knowledge as two pyramids: the english enlightenment supporting theories on a wide base of accepted ideas and facts whereas the continential enlightenment is an inverted pyramid where broad knowledge is supported on just a pinpoint of logic.
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  I really don't understand this

  by keyser soze in

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  why, if you're a health care worker who's been exposed to the ebola virus, would you get on an airplane and travel right after?.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-texas-nurse-with-ebola-had-traveled-by-plane/ar-bb9f6bs.

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  I really don't understand this

  by keyser soze in

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  why, if you're a health care worker who's been exposed to the ebola virus, would you get on an airplane and travel right after?.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-texas-nurse-with-ebola-had-traveled-by-plane/ar-bb9f6bs.

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  Sam Whiskey: in other words, god will kill all the unbelievers and that make you happy. Well that sounds perfectly sane...

  Must be frustrating to have your nutty beliefs invalidated every few months :-).
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  I really don't understand this

  by keyser soze in

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  why, if you're a health care worker who's been exposed to the ebola virus, would you get on an airplane and travel right after?.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-texas-nurse-with-ebola-had-traveled-by-plane/ar-bb9f6bs.

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  nonjwspouse: "Bohm, using tape is NOT going to protect these people. ( kinda obvious now huh? But to anyone with COMMON SENSE it was already obvious."

  no, sure, and there will be other cases, other fuckups, other health workers infected.. just like with every other contageous disease. I just don't see why there are reasons to be alarmed at this point since *most* african countries seem able to cope.
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  I really don't understand this

  by keyser soze in

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  why, if you're a health care worker who's been exposed to the ebola virus, would you get on an airplane and travel right after?.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-texas-nurse-with-ebola-had-traveled-by-plane/ar-bb9f6bs.

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  Nonjwspouse: it spread because they did not follow procedures. Now, plenty of people gets infected every day by all sorts of things in hospitals and it dont mean a lot. If this can be kept relatively under control by most african countries i just dont see why people are so worried.

  Want to bet it wont spread much in the us?
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  I really don't understand this

  by keyser soze in

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  why, if you're a health care worker who's been exposed to the ebola virus, would you get on an airplane and travel right after?.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/second-texas-nurse-with-ebola-had-traveled-by-plane/ar-bb9f6bs.

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  It is pretty contained in africa despite much poorer health systems, this is not a big deal IMO
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  perry == troll.
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  900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

  by Perry in

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  we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

  selection to account for the complexity of life.

  careful examination of the .

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  Yes 900 top scientists, each and everyone from top universities and with an extensive publication record in fields strongly connected to evolutionary biology has used their expert knowledge to determine there are problems with evolution.

  This is certainly worth noticing, take for instance Mark Apkarian, one of the 900 top scientists who first obtained his PhD from the university of mexico in the field of ... kinesiology ... now employed at the top-rated ... biola university ... with an extensive publication record of ... no publications at all.

  Certainly when Mark Apkarian says something, the scientific world listens!

  Or to take another from the list, Suzanne Phillips, a professor of biology and (supposedly, however her webpage does not tell) leader of the biology department of the internationally acclaimed university of ... Southwestern Adventist University ... a position she landed based on her strong publications record composed of ... 5 articles ... not all of which she is the first author.

  Lol. Not everyone on the list is a a joke, but you don't quite get the impression it is too hard to make the list if you have a PhD in something or another. More to the point, if we should be convinced by a person having a PhD, then would that not mean we should all subscribe to evolution since this is what most PhDs believe?
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  Noam Chomsky On Artificial Intelligence , Cognitive Science , and Neuroscience

  by frankiespeakin in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdcqzj7_tho.

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  Saw this a few months back, a really interesting panel, unfortunately they had to little time.