Posts by ablebodiedman

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

The coming (or, arriving) referred to a number of times at Matthew 24:29-44 and 25:31-46 is at “the great tribulation.”

So, if you have now watched the video above then there should now be no doubt that the 6th bowl in Revelation Chapter 16 HAS been poured out over 100 years ago.

The 7th bowl is next!

This is what happens when the 7th bowl is poured out:

Revelation 16:17-21

And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: "It has come to pass!" 18 And lightnings and voices and thunders occurred, and a great earthquake occurred such as had not occurred since men came to be on the earth, so extensive an earthquake, so great. 19 And the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath. 20 Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found. 21 And a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men, and the men blasphemed God due to the plague of hail, because the plague of it was unusually great.

The greatest earthquake that the world has ever seen!

ALL the cities fall!

Compare Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 38:19-22

Surely in that day a great quaking will occur in the soil of Israel. 20 And because of me the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the wild beasts of the field and all the creeping things that are creeping on the ground and all mankind that are upon the surface of the ground will be bound to shiver, and the mountains will actually be thrown down and the steep ways will have to fall, and to the earth even every wall will fall.’"‘And I will call forth against him throughout all my mountainous region a sword,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. ‘Against his own brother the sword of each one will come to be. 22 And I will bring myself into judgment with him, with pestilence and with blood; and a flooding downpour and hailstones, fire

If all the Cities and every wall falls in the worlds greatest earthquake do you think there will be a Great Tribulation afterwards?

A tribulation greater than any other that migh have occured on the earth?

Yes, the Great Tribulation is next!

abe

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

w99 5/1 p. 16 pars. 10-12 “Let the Reader Use Discernment”

10 God’s people once understood that the first phase of the great tribulation began in 1914 and that the final part would come at the battle of Armageddon. (Revelation 16:14, 16; compare The Watchtower, April 1, 1939, page 110.) So we can understand why it was once thought that the latter-day “disgusting thing” must have stood in a holy place soon after World War I.

11 However, in later years we have come to see things differently.

Armageddon already started??? Hm. I am trying to keep this thread on the July 15th articles, working somewhat within the JW paradigm, analyzing and comparing past with present claims, the incongruities and questions they raise. I can only deal with one set of off-beat interpretations at a time - sorry abe.

AnnOMally,

I am also trying to keep this thread on your initial theme.

If you do take the time to watch the video you will see just how off-beat the Watchtower interpretations are!

You will see that Armageddon started previous to 1914.

Yes, that seems like a bold statement to make considering what the Watchtower and other popular opinions want you to believe.

Timing, its all about timing.

abe

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

I think you've been "had" by the Watchtower.

The Watchtower Society has "ruined" Jesus Christs Kingdom

Daniel 2:44

"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

abe

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

Satan's weeds are ... well ... weeded out before the Big A. Only the pure, unadulterated wheat will remain in Christ's kingdom.

Nope, the righteous will no longer be in Christs Kingdom, listen carefully to what Jesus Christ said:

Matthew 13:39-43

The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. 40 Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. 41 The Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be. 43 At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.

Where does it say they will remain in his kingdom?

So, how do Satans weeds get into this Kingdom:

Revelation 21:26-27

And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But anything not sacred and anyone that carries on a disgusting thing and a lie will in no way enter into it; only those written in the Lamb’s scroll of life [will].

AnneOMally,

I think you've been "had" by the Watchtower.

abe

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The Great Tribulation Was in the 1st Century and WIll Never Occur Agian

by cassuk11 in

the messiah told the discipels they would live through it, they would ,see it, they would experience it and it would never occur again..

ablebodiedman

Jesus Christ was not talking about a disgusting thing entering the stone temple in Jerusalem.

He was talking about the temple which he inaugurated with his own blood.

You have to read Daniel with discernment:

Daniel 8:11-12

And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant [feature],because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.

Daniel 11:31

And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary , the fortress, and remove the constant [feature].

"And they will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.

I just listened to what Messiah said.

abe

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The Great Tribulation Was in the 1st Century and WIll Never Occur Agian

by cassuk11 in

the messiah told the discipels they would live through it, they would ,see it, they would experience it and it would never occur again..

ablebodiedman

When therefore you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not in the holy place

Whaaaat?

Does that mean the temple in Jerusalem was still considered holy!

Even after Jesus Christ had said this about it; "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU. 39 For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, ‘Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah’s name!’"

and had already raised up the temple at his ressurection which occured about 37 years before the Roman Army came!

So what was The Holy place in 70ad?

The stone temple that Jesus Christ had already proclaimed was abandoned.

or

The temple that Jesus Christ raised up?

You CANNOT have both!

abe

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The Great Tribulation Was in the 1st Century and WIll Never Occur Agian

by cassuk11 in

the messiah told the discipels they would live through it, they would ,see it, they would experience it and it would never occur again..

ablebodiedman

23 “For then will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created, 23 “For then will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created, until now, no, nor ever shall be, for there will be great distress on the land, and wrath to this people.” , for there will be great distress on the land, and wrath to this people.”

The greatest tribulation that had ever occured from the beginning of creation was the flood in Noah's day when 8 people survived.

One million Jews died in Jerusale in 70ad?

Yet Six million died in the 20th century holocaust!

But hold on!

Jesus Christ said; “For then will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created, until now, no, nor ever shall be, for there will be great distress on the land, and wrath to this people.”

Which means he was not talking about the 1st Century destruction of Jerusalem!

That means the great tribulation is still future!

I just listened to what Messiah said.

abe

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

But hey, some people may object by saying that God did not set up the Kingdoms in Daniels immense image.

If that is so, then why did Nebuchadnezzar have to learn a very hard lesson about Babylon The Great?

Daniel 4:29-30

At the end of twelve lunar months he happened to be walking upon the royal palace of Babylon. 30 The king was answering and saying: "Is not this Babylon the Great, that I myself have built for the royal house with the strength of my might and for the dignity of my majesty?"

Nebuchadnezzar had to learn that it was GOD who set up Babylon The Great!

So what is Babylon The Great in the Book of Revelation which is completely crushed.

It is the last Kingdom that God set up................................................ Christianity!

abe

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

This means that Christianity WILL BE RUINED AND THEN CRUSHED!

Which is probably why Jesus Christ said we should carefully listen to his explanation:

Matthew 13:37-43

In response he said: "The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man; 38 the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, 39 and the enemy that sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. 40 Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. 41 The Son of man will send forth his angels, and they will collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where [their] weeping and the gnashing of [their] teeth will be. 43 At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.

abe

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WT 2013, July 15: Random thoughts and background info FWIW

by AnnOMaly in

will occur when the united nations (the.

tribulation.. chart, p. 4 - united nations (disgusting thing) will attack.

well, they believe in some kind of rapture now.. par.

ablebodiedman

Here is another bible paradox for the Watchtower:

If Jesus Christs Kingdom was the last one that God set up almost 2000 years ago and Jesus Christ said that it would be sown with weeds then what is the Kingdom that will never be brought to ruin and will crush all the previous Kingdoms that God set up?

Daniel 2:44

"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;

Let me put it another way:

If Satan's weeds can get into Jesus Christs Kingdom then what is the final kingdom that will crush all the others?

Revelation 21:26-27

And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But anything not sacred and anyone that carries on a disgusting thing and a lie will in no way enter into it; only those written in the Lamb’s scroll of life [will].

This means that Christianity WILL BE RUINED AND THEN CRUSHED!

abe