Posts by ablebodiedman

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

There is another important indicator which might give some evidence to help answer the question: "When is Armageddon"?

Check out the scripture:

Revelation 16:12-16

12 And the sixth one poured out his bowl upon the great river Eu·phra´tes, and its water was dried up, that the way might be prepared for the kings from the rising of the sun.

13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

15 "Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness."

16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on.

So if the great river Euphrates was to dry up we could be pretty sure that the gathering together to that place called "Armagedon" was actually happening.

It really would be something extraordinary for such an enormous river thats been around for thousands of years, to actually dry up!

From the evidence I have posted in the thread above however, the gathering to Armageddon has already been happening right under all our noses for about a hundred years now!

Those unclean inspired utterances that Jesus Christ warned us about, coming from the false prophet, have had spectacular effect!

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

So that is two unclean inspired expressions.

1/ Millions Now Living Will Never Die

2/ Coming on the basis of Jesus Christ's name.

What about a possible third unclean inspired expression?

I am leaning towards the "due time has approached" expression that Jesus Christ warned us about here in regard to those who come on the basis of his name:

Luke 21:8

8 He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.

Do not go after them!

Is that a recommendation or perhaps some advice from Jesus Christ or, is it a commandment!

So .......................... who is really obeying Jesus Christ?

and

Who is it that is being gathered together by unclean inspired expressions?

I am convinced there is no grey area here!

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

w95 7/1 p. 19 "The Israel of God" and the "Great Crowd"

19 However, Exodus 19:5, 6 ultimately has a far more glorious fulfillment. In the book of Revelation, the apostle John hears heavenly creatures applying this scripture as they praise the resurrected Jesus: "You were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth." (Revelation 5:9, 10) In its final sense, then, the royal priesthood is God’s heavenly Kingdom, the ruling authority for which Jesus taught us to pray. (Luke 11:2) All 144,000 anointed Christians who endure faithful to the end will have a part in that Kingdom arrangement. (Revelation 20:4, 6) What a wonderful fulfillment of the promise made so long ago through Moses!

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

Millions Now Living Will Never Die.

So, if this really is an unclean inspired utterance coming from the mouth of the dragon and the mouth of the wild beast and the mouth of the false prophet then there are more questions to ask:

1/ Who are the people that this unclean expression is gathering together?

and

2/ Do any of these people claim to be "kings of the earth".

here is another clue:

Revelation 5:9-10

And they sing a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, because you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

Millions Now Living Will Never Die!

Was this expression inspired?

Are those Millions to whom this was said all still alive?

If not, then is this expression unclean? (aka false)

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

Genesis 3:3-5

"At this the serpent said to the woman: "YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad."

Out of the mouth of the dragon!

Millions Now Living Will Never Die!

You positively will not die

Revelation 16:13-14

And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

Millions Now Living Will Never Die!

Can there be any doubt in peoples minds that this inspired expression is ............. out of the mouth of the dragon?

But hey, its also comes out of the mouth of an entity that blatanty claims to; "come on the basis of my name" ... The False Prophet!

out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

So we have heard it from the mouth of the dragon and the mouth of the false prophet!

So who the heck is the wild beast who says the same thing!

Millions Now Living Will Never Die!

The positively will not die.

2 Corinthians 11:3

But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.

So............................................. whose minds have been corrupted by an unclean inspired expression?

and how close are we now to understanding where that place called Armageddon is?

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

By simply determining an entity that; "comes on the basis of my name" a Christian would be well on the way to discerning the "inspired utterances".

Here is a World Wide entity that blatantly makes that claim:

w59 5/1 p. 269 Attain Completeness in the New World Society

To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.

A Christian should be getting closer to understanding where that place called Armageddon is!

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

To know what to look for several questions MUST first be answered as folllows:

1/ Who are "the kings of the earth"?

2/ Who is the Wild Beast?

3/ Who is the False Prophet?

4/ What are the inspired utterances?

I think the easiest thing to look for are the "inspired utterances".

Jesus Christ already gave us several clues written in the Gospels about what to watch for in regard to "utterances" coming from the false prophet!

The Apostles also gave us some clues!

Here are some:

Matthew 24:23-26

"Then if anyone says to YOU, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned YOU. 26 Therefore, if people say to YOU, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner chambers,’ do not believe it.

Luke 21:8

He said: "Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.

Matthew 7:15-16

"Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them.

2 Peter 2:1-3

2 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their acts of loose conduct, and on account of these the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, with covetousness they will exploit YOU with counterfeit words. But as for them, the judgment from of old is not moving slowly, and the destruction of them is not slumbering.

1 John 4:1

4 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

2 Corinthians 11:3

But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.

abe

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

ablebodiedman

Armageddon is a place where "the kings of the earth" are gathered together by demonic inspired utterances which come from Satan, the Wild Beast and the False prophet.

This happens prior to the "War of the great day of God The Almighty".

Asking the question; "When is Armageddon" is very redundant when Armageddon is identified as a place.

The real question that should be asked is; "When is the war of the great day of God The Almighty?

What is really meant by "When is Armageddon" should not be to look for the actual war but, to look for the gathering together!

To know what to look for several questions MUST first be answered as folllows:

1/ Who are "the kings of the earth"?

2/ Who is the Wild Beast?

3/ Who is the False Prophet?

4/ What are the inspired utterances?

abe

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What Is The Most Absurd JW Belief or View?

by minimus in

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there are many silly doctines and viewpoints.. one of the strangest ones is the blood doctrine.. why anyone could logically accept this belief is beyond reason..

ablebodiedman

Having the audacity and presumption to re-invent the baptismal vows that Jesus Christ commanded should be in place right up to the conclusion of this system of things and then claiming that these corrupted vows are necessary for salvation!

w93 4/1 p. 7 Should You Be Baptized?

A person who truly has such love and wants a special relationship with Jehovah God would not hold back from freely dedicating his life to him. Baptism is but an outward symbol of that dedication. It is a necessary step toward salvation.

God's spirit directed organization is; "a number of brothers". (see page 109 of the book; "Jehovah's Witnesses - Proclaimers of God's Kingdom")

They are making a vow to the same men who had the audacity to re-invent Jesus Christ's commandment, obtaining veneration for themselves!

They are publicly showing that they are also gods!

To claim that a vow to them is now necessary for salvaltion!

They are treating Jesus Christ as of no account!

Acts 4:11-12

This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’ 12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

The Name; "God's Spirit Directed Organization" is not essential to your salvation!

abe