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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

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  ablebodiedman

  So the first two Six's are described on the page above.

  What about the third Six?

  So far we have Six commitees world wide

  A committee of Six for each Branch.

  So how many are on the committee that looks oversees a Kingdom Hall?

  1: Presiding Overseer

  2: Secretary

  3: Treasurer/Accountant

  4: Service Overseer

  5: Ministry School Overseer

  6: Literature Department Overseer

  Six!

  If the name of the wild beast in the Book of Revelation is; "God's Spirit Directed Organization" and we can see that the word "organization implies a number of men, exactly as the Governing Body admitted on the page above; " a number of brothers", then the next obvious step is to determine ........................................ the mark!

  How does a person get "marked" by the name; "God's Spirit Directed Organization"?

  Keeping in mind that the mark must be something that is obtained randomly, on either the Forehead or Hand.

  It must be through some significant and identifiable event that every individual Jehovah's Witness must encounter that has a great deal to do with the actual name of the wild beast; "God's Spirit Directed Organization".

  Any ideas?

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

  So the first two Six's are described on the page above.

  What about the third Six?

  So far we have Six commitees world wide

  A committee of Six for each Branch.

  So how many are on the committee that looks oversees a Kingdom Hall?

  1: Presiding Overseer

  2: Secretary

  3: Treasurer/Accountant

  4: Service Overseer

  5: Ministry School Overseer

  6: Literature Department Overseer

  Six!

  If the name of the wild beast in the Book of Revelation is; "God's Spirit Directed Organization" and we can see that the word "organization implies a number of men, exactly as the Governing Body admitted on the page above; " a number of brothers", then the next obvious step is to determine ........................................ the mark!

  How does a person get "marked" by the name; "God's Spirit Directed Organization"?

  Keeping in mind that the mark must be something that is obtained randomly, on either the Forehead or Hand.

  It must be through some significant and identifiable event that every individual Jehovah's Witness must encounter that has a great deal to do with the actual name of the wild beast; "God's Spirit Directed Organization".

  Any ideas?

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

  
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  Daniel Chapter 7 - Commentary - NEW ARTICLE

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've just published a new article on my website.. it's called: "daniel and the future of the 'saints of the most holy' - a commentary on daniel chapter 7".

  i'd like to draw your attention in particular to the identity of the fourth beast since i depart clearly from the more or less consensual explanation that is about rome and the antichrist.

  i won't waste time with that it isn't, though, and focus on what it is.

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  ablebodiedman

  Remember that the four animals are seen from the perspective of the "holy people", Israel. Although there are more empires on earth, the prophecy only concerns itself with those who interact significantly with the "saints of the Most Holy", the specially cleansed people of Yahweh, the Israelites.

  Edenone,

  The fourth wild beast in Daniel is the last iteration of Christianity before the end.

  It is Jesus Christs Kingdom being ruled by those "saints of the Most Holy".

  I come to that conclusion by comparing the adjectives and nouns in two passages of scripture.

  Try it:

  Daniel 7:19

  "Then it was that I desired to make certain concerning the fourth beast, which proved to be different from all the others, extraordinarily fearsome, the teeth of which were of iron and the claws of which were of copper, which was devouring [and] crushing, and which was treading down even what was left with its feet;

  Micah 3:1-5

  And I proceeded to say: "Hear, please,YOU heads of Jacob and YOU commanders of the house of Israel. Is it not YOUR business to know justice? 2 YOU haters of what is good and lovers of badness, tearing off their skin from people and their organism from off their bones; 3 YOU the ones who have also eaten the organism of my people, and have stripped their very skin from off them, and smashed to pieces their very bones, and crushed [them] to pieces like what is in a widemouthed pot and like flesh in the midst of a cooking pot. 4 At that time they will call to Jehovah for aid, but he will not answer them. And he will conceal his face from them in that time, according as they committed badness in their dealings.5 "This is what Jehovah has said against the prophets that are causing my people to wander, that are biting with their teeth and that actually call out, ‘Peace!’ that, when anyone does not put [something] into their mouths, also actually sanctify war against him,

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

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  God's Spirit Directed Organization

  Doesn't really seem like much of a name until its use in the re-invented Jehovah's Witness baptismal vows is contemplated along with the other names it attempts to associate itself with.

  Consider Jesus Christs commandment:

  Matthew 28:19-20

  Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of God's Spirit Directed Organization and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."

  I decided to put the name God's Spirit Directed Organization before "the son" because after all, if the Governing Body is audacious enough to re-invent Jesus Chrits baptismal commandment in the above then they must think they are better than him!

  Hey, that reminds me of another scripture:

  2 Thessalonians 2:4

  opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.

  So yes, God's Spirit Directed Organization is a name!

  After all, it claims to speak on the basis of Jesus Christs name!

  However, what exactly is God's Spirit Directed Organization and how is that organization organized?

  Does anyone know?

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

  sosoconfused,

  I'm talking about both.

  To recap what an 8 year old should be able to understand so far about so called riddles in the bible:

  -: The mark of beast is obtained by people who are misled by the false prophet.

  -: The Gospels show that the false prophet would come in Jesus Christs name. aka Christian

  -: This means that only Christians could possibly receive the mark of the beast.

  -: this eliminates atheists and any non-Christian Religion from being potential candidates, exposing the very popular age old and also contemporary Christian opinions about the mark of the beast, as completely absurd.

  -: Jehovah's Witnesses blatantly disobey Jesus Christs commandments in the Gospels about following or believing the false prophets.

  -: This makes Jehovah's Witnesses primary candidates for the mark of the wild beast.

  -: Jehovah's Witnesses have published that it is "THE Organization" who speaks on the basis of Jesus Christs name.

  -: An organization infers that a specific numer of men are involved --------- a man's number.

  So what next?

  I think that even an 8 year old would recommend that the NAME of THE organization be determined and then do some research to discover how that organization is organized!

  What is at stake?

  The lives of 7+ Million People!

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  ablebodiedman

  sosoconfused,

  I'm talking about both.

  To recap what an 8 year old should be able to understand so far about so called riddles in the bible:

  -: The mark of beast is obtained by people who are misled by the false prophet.

  -: The Gospels show that the false prophet would come in Jesus Christs name. aka Christian

  -: This means that only Christians could possibly receive the mark of the beast.

  -: this eliminates atheists and any non-Christian Religion from being potential candidates, exposing the very popular age old and also contemporary Christian opinions about the mark of the beast, as completely absurd.

  -: Jehovah's Witnesses blatantly disobey Jesus Christs commandments in the Gospels about following or believing the false prophets.

  -: This makes Jehovah's Witnesses primary candidates for the mark of the wild beast.

  -: Jehovah's Witnesses have published that it is "THE Organization" who speaks on the basis of Jesus Christs name.

  -: An organization infers that a specific numer of men are involved --------- a man's number.

  So what next?

  I think that even an 8 year old would recommend that the NAME of THE organization be determined and then do some research to discover how that organization is organized!

  What is at stake?

  The lives of 7+ Million People!

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

  Well how about this:

  w59 5/1 p. 269 Attain Completeness in the New World Society

  To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says.

  They have already given a clue as to who it is that claims to speak on the basis of Jesus Christs name!

  ................................. The organization!

  So what is the NAME fo the organization?

  and hey, hold on, doesn't "an organization" imply that a number of men are involved ....... a man's number!

  Is that rationale beyond something that an 8 year old could grasp?

  So what next?

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

  8 year old still understands the gospel... I dont think the god that Jesus spoke about would kill her. so apparently the riddles are there just for fun.

  Yes, but the 8 year old has very easily obtained a profound conclusion about 7 Million People on the planet that also includes many other 8 year olds, and can now clearly see that their parents are balatantly disobeying what Jesus Christ said in the Gospels with an enormous amount of peril involved!

  The 8 year has easily seen through what people claim to be riddles and in so doing identified 7 Million very likely candidates for the mark of the wild beast!

  Should the 8 year old care?

  So what next?

  abe
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  Why is God speaking in riddles?

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it seems for most of the bible that god spoke directly to people and told them what to do.

  he wrote things on rocks.

  he gave them laws.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  ablebodiedman

  On the other hand, if we see a large number of people claiming to be Christian who refuse to obey Jesus Christ commandment above then the very real possibility exists that IT IS THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!

  So once this conclusion is reached then what direction should an 8 year old take to pursue this easily obtained and yet profound conclusion further?

  Considering that:

  The wild beast is said to have a name.

  and

  That name can be calculated as also representing a mans number.

  and

  People give worship or venerate the wild beast.

  and

  We also now understand why it is people who BELIEVE the false prophets who claim to speak for Jesus Christ that are the targeted candidates indicated in the Book of Revelation to be misled into receiving the mark of the beast.

  What historical evidence does the 8 year old have so far that might indicated where a name is involved amoungst these people who choose to disobey Jesus Christs very straight forward commandment in the Gospels?

  Do you think an 8 year old might even grasp what might be the next step in solving something the bible says would require wisdom?

  abe