UN took the letter down a while back. You can find copies of the letter maybe screenshots but that's about it. UN had the letter response up for a long long time before they decided to take it down - very unfortunate since JWs have hard time even accepting this when they see it on a UN's official site.
diamondiiz
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Answer I got to the UN association.
by Inisc inso, this a long story but i'll try to keep it short.
this was about 2years ago,.
my wife brought up the un thing to my parents, much to their horror and despite me advising her not to.
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Mem invitations
by AnonJW ini have heard quite a few reports of how the invitation work has not been carried out as enthusiastically as it was last year.
during the 2011 campaign, many due to the reduced hour requirement pioneered for the month, some congregations had over 50% of its members doing this.
this year it has all changed, and even though some have made an extra effort, not nearly as many as did last year.
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diamondiiz
"Special" campaign is not so special when done on regular basis.
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They would have to pay me to go, besides who wants to snack on some horrible crackers and some cheap wine?
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For those who think THEY are in financial problems
by therevealer inuse google earth to view patterson and wallkill (watchtower farms).
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diamondiiz
It may depend on what you mean by financial problems. What "division" are we talking about? If we're talking about division of the business related to publishing, ya they may not be getting returns on their investment so they downsize. I never thought too deeply into dividing wts into "divisions" but quickly off the top
Printing
KHs
Assemblies Halls
DC
WTS properties including land
Investment Assets
KH fund
Missionaries
If printing isn't making money they will continue to downsize until it may be more profitable to offload it to a third party to print the trash. This way they won't need to update the machinery, and they eliminate the liability of having people working on their premises.If KHs don't cover their own costs, KHs will be sold off and congregations merged while wts gets the proceeds of the sale. Many KHs have excess capacity that's not being utilized. 2 or 3 congregations pet KH leaves a lot of nights where the KH is not being used. You can easily have 5 congregations per KH if need be.
Assembly Halls, same thing, if they can't make enough they will force congregations to make extra congregational donations towards the assembly through a guilt trip by means of local needs and a anonymous vote.
DC - we already have a rumor of moving those to Assembly halls. Whether true or not it's one possibility of managing the future costs.
WTS properties - They are sitting on profits, they are moving out of cities to larger land properties which will be build with slave labor, and will allow for nicer living quarter for the GB and the top while at the same time the profits from the sale of Crooklyn buildings will be re-invested in assets that will bring greater returns - stocks, land in the country. Farm land may very well be a good future investment at this point.
Investment Assets (stocks/bonds,futures, etc.) - are well taken care off, and we'll most likely never know what kind of sums they're playing with. If they're making or losing in this area we'll never know.
KH Fund is obviously profitable, otherwise they would use external source for their insurance needs
Missionaries, were a liability and money burner which needed to be overhauled so they were replaced with uber-elder-spy class to keep a closer eye on wts' paying customers (jws).
As the cult moves forward, they will become more lean with focus on JWs to be more willing to accept any and all of GB directions, less educated, more sacrificing. That's why we see more GB worship, more anti-education, more anti individualism and continued anti-internet propaganda. Today's JWs are less educated than general public and are also a liabilities to wts so that may also be why we hear that JWs are not wts' volunteers nor are JWs wts' representatives. WTS is making a greater distinction between themselves and r&f for liability reasons.
Their business model is changing and they are adopting by cutting costs and moving money losing assets into asset classes that seem to have better returns in the future. So as a whole, I doubt they are having financial problems, but some divisions may very well be major money losers and in need of realignment.
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on the fence - an introduction
by so confused ini was brought up around the truth.
my dad was disfellowshiped when i was young, around 6-7. he was a elder and very devoted even going to jail when he was younger for the truth.
he had a stroke and started preaching things that the society was not teaching and he was disfellowshiped.
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diamondiiz
Welcome,
First steps outside of the watchtower world are always scary and full of distrust. It's good to question and ask for references. Watchtower indoctrinated us not to think for ourselves and trust the watchtower without ever really researching it's teachings, it's past and it's publications which has caused much harm to millions of people.
As you examine your faith give www.jwfacts.com a try and take a look at the rich heritage that watchtower doesn't like it's followers to know. Check the references, as it's good to understand that xjws don't usually make up lies about watchtower as JWs claim. Many of us have been where you are, it takes time to realize that the con man is not the outsider but the one whom we've trusted a large part of our life. As you research watchtower's history also consider how BITE model applies to the organization which will amaze you how many other cults use the same techniques on their followers.
It's great that you and your husband are examining what you've been taught. Keep the information that you learn to yourselves and don't share it with witnesses because you might lose everyone you know in a hurry if you don't stop your research or if you don't agree with wts - this includes closest friends and family.
Take your time as it's a slow process of realizing to what extend you've been conned and how little you really know about the organization claiming to be the truth and God's mouthpiece on earth.
If you have any specific questions, just ask away. If you need older wts material ask. Almost every topic you an imagine has been discussed in the past here, use the search engine above to look up topics you might be interested in.
Take care
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Biting off more than they can chew - why I think the Society's internet approach is good for us, bad for them...
by cedars ini've been giving some thought to the society's latest decision to reduce the size of the awake, and relaunch jw.org as a revamped site - intended for bringing in yet more converts.
for those who missed it, here is the relevant part of the leaked letter to elders discussing these changes.... the internet is a technology that jehovahs organization is using to good advantage to spread the good news to all corners of the earth.
consider the impact our web sites are having.
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I don't see how they changed their view of internet at all. Internet will still be vilified and warned about, I don't see JW encouraged to talk to others on forums but will probably be continues to be discouraged from doing so.
IMO the letter informing witnesses their mags' size will be cut in half is a very negative letter so what a printing corporation needed to do was to minimize the negativity of the message. To do so, they emphasized the positives regarding their internet web site first. As the listeners soak up the positive news regarding internet "success" the last paragraph hits them with the bad news which by this time doesn't seem so negative to the hearer.
I'll be surprised if the internet witnessing will be encouraged as I view the letter mentioning it only as a spin to ease the pain of having magazines reduced to only 16 pages each.
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Rutherfords view of the Holy Spirit
by Christ Alone indoes anyone have scans of these references?
this comment was taken from http://ed5015.tripod.com/jwoccultconnection58.htm.
joseph rutherford, the second president of the wts, believed his spiritual enlightenment came from angels because the holy spirit had ceased functioning since 1918. the angels channeled information into his mind from god residing on the star alcyone.
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mP:
The above scan was for iCeltic who wanted the scan regarding the star.
As for Egyptian art, the pyramid and the Plaiades, Rutherford inherited these from Russell
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Rutherfords view of the Holy Spirit
by Christ Alone indoes anyone have scans of these references?
this comment was taken from http://ed5015.tripod.com/jwoccultconnection58.htm.
joseph rutherford, the second president of the wts, believed his spiritual enlightenment came from angels because the holy spirit had ceased functioning since 1918. the angels channeled information into his mind from god residing on the star alcyone.
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The above quote regarding star Alcyone is from Thy Kingdom Come p327 which is also known as Study in the Scriptures Volume 3, and Millennial Dawn Volume 3.
Where Russell got the idea for Plaiades, I don't really know but there is enough crazy shit in this book that really is irrelevant to me where the idea originated. Here's the page where I got the above quote from.
For anyone interested in Russell's calculation of various dates and Pyramid measurements I suggest you get Thy Kingdom Come book or download the pdf and have a read. It is an eye opener, at least it was the book that got me to realize wts was a fraud. This book contains tons of info that JW just don't have a clue about nor do their studies. Here's the link to it.
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Rutherfords view of the Holy Spirit
by Christ Alone indoes anyone have scans of these references?
this comment was taken from http://ed5015.tripod.com/jwoccultconnection58.htm.
joseph rutherford, the second president of the wts, believed his spiritual enlightenment came from angels because the holy spirit had ceased functioning since 1918. the angels channeled information into his mind from god residing on the star alcyone.
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Star Alcyone has to do with Pleiades which according to Russell was the throne of god. (Thy Kingdom Come (SS3) p.327
Astronomers are not yet fully agreed as to what or where that center is. Some,
however, believe that they have found the direction of it to be the Pleiades, and particularly
Alcyone, the central one of the renowned Pleiadic stars. To the distinguished German
astronomer, Prof. J. H. Maedler, belongs the honor of having made this discovery. Alcyone, then,
as far as science has been able to perceive, would seem to be ‘the midnight throne’ in which the
whole system of gravitation has its central seat, and from which the Almighty governs his
universe. And here is the wonderful corresponding fact, that at the date of the Great Pyramid’s
building, at midnight of the autumnal equinox, and hence the true beginning of the year* as still
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Rutherfords view of the Holy Spirit
by Christ Alone indoes anyone have scans of these references?
this comment was taken from http://ed5015.tripod.com/jwoccultconnection58.htm.
joseph rutherford, the second president of the wts, believed his spiritual enlightenment came from angels because the holy spirit had ceased functioning since 1918. the angels channeled information into his mind from god residing on the star alcyone.
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diamondiiz
There never was a connection between wts and occult nor with freemasons. Rutherford spoke out of his ass on many occasions and some went linking his stupidity with wts being involved in occult.
Rutherford was asked by a reporter how he would know if a person claiming to be King David was truly who he claimed, Rutherford replied "I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies. . . . They will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real Princes." - Time Magazine, "California Cults", March 31, 1930
I remember some jw implied that the resurrected annointed might be helping with the work, while that's crazy talk as we look back with the knowledge we have today, it seemed posible back when we were dubs. That had nothing to do with occult either, just typical JW nonsense.
