Posts by MadGiant

"No. Since God is not nothing (the absence of anything/everything)... this is untrue. Everything came from HIM. From HIS energy, that brought forth LIGHT/LIFE.

(though the statement... God created the universe from "Nothing"... the new definition, is not much different than what that physicist is saying (other than the God part), in that that the universe came from "Nothing". Because "Nothing" isn't nothing)"

“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me?
Don't you believe in telepathy?
— in ancient astronauts?
— in the Bermuda triangle?
— in life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.

One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"

Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”
? Isaac Asimov

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?
I have done some research and couldn't fine any evidence to support those claims. Only personals experiences, but those experiences don't count.

Here's why: I can claim that aliens adopted me for 10 days for 10 hours a day, 10 years ago. Proof me wrong.

The scary thing is this: every believer think that he/she have the right answer, every believer have his/her "own account" and everybody is correct. If you have 1,000 believer you are going to end up with 1,000 accounts. Their is no evidence.

Take care,

Ismael

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Just this simple fact of life is proof of God....

by EndofMysteries in

i'll be curious for any alternative plausible explanations for this...... .

every lifeform on earth, humans, plants, bacteria, cells, anything with life originated with other life.

all trees come from living seeds from other trees, etc.

MadGiant

Haven't read all posts, only the OP but.

"EVERY lifeform on Earth, humans, plants, bacteria, cells, ANYTHING with life originated with other life."

I agree with that. But it's not magic.

"All trees come from living seeds from other trees, etc. There is no life that comes from nothing, even simple cells."

I agree with this to. But remember that it's a proses of natural selection. In you example, trees comes from seeds because that was the reproductive method that work. Remember that almost half the plant species in the world reproduce asexually, without creating seeds. Seed-bearing plants can also reproduce asexually under certain conditions. The daughter plants resulting from asexual reproduction are genetically identical to the parent plant. In fact, they are less daughters than clones of the original. Plants can reproduce naturally without seeds by many methods, including sending out runners and developing bulbs or tubers which split off bulblets. Plants also reproduce without seed via human intervention, such as through cuttings and grafts or by a gardener physically dividing a root clump with a shovel. All these are examples of methods that work better for the plants. (Still using your plant example), There are some fishes and reptiles that can change sex.

"So God forming these things then putting his life force into it, him being the originator of life for the start of these things, is the only thing that makes sense."

This opens a very interesting proposal. You admit that life need a creator. Who/What created the creator? I know that it sound stupid, but think about it for a minute.

"If it was possible that life can just appear out of nothing, and all life on Earth just happened,"

Follow the evidence.

"why can't intelligent life do it? Instead of the billions of lifeforms on Earth that just happened to happen somehow, why can't we trace how they all originated and create any type of life we can imagine."

At this moment humans are doing research. Remember, you are talking about DNA the genome project started in 1987 (I think). A working draft of the genome was announced in 2000 and a complete one in 2003, with further, more detailed analysis still being published. We still in diapers.

"Why would it still not be happening today? Why would it have stopped? "

It still happening. Natural selection is the gradual natural process by which biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of the effect of inherited traits on the differential reproductive success of organisms interacting with their environment

"Also think about this, according to the bible, man was formed out of soil. Written long before we knew the properties of soil such as copper, iron, calcium, zinc, etc. Our bodies need all of those things to survive and function properly. What happens if you are deficient in copper, iron, etc. It certainly seems like we were formed from soil and the start of life was God's lifeforce going into us." "I can understand Agnostic thinking because of distrust from anything written, but for athiests, not believing life came from a God seems even harder to make sense of since no life on Earth originates from plain dead matter. Do you have alternative explanations?

" Yeah, Instead of asking for an answer, why don't you do some research first. Read a couple of books about each subject you just mention. Read form apologists, opposers, critics (neutral sources) and draw your own conclusions.

Take care,

Ismael

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

MadGiant

Thanks ma'am.

Take care, Ismael

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

MadGiant

"Lots of scholars have concluded the story to be a fable, if not most. What other plausible explanation is there? What do you think was going through the minds of the original writers of Genesis?"

Sooooo, no Genesis no original sin, no original sin no need for a an omnipotent spirit being from another dimension to give birth to himself so he could later torture himself to death as a sacrifice to himself to appease himself for something he started in the first place... Ismael

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

MadGiant

Wow!! I fell like I am trolling.

"Fable is a synonym of allegory. There are specific reasons WHY the serpent is a serpent and not another animal. You seem to gloss over this major factor." Would you please post the sources you have that lead you to this conclusion? Are those sources you opinion? Do you have any other sources to support your claims? Ismael

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

MadGiant

"MadGiant,

TEC doesn't feel that 2 Tim 3:16 applies to her, since she marched into his office and demanded Jesus have a personal relationship with her, and he said she's exempted from following the Bible now since she goes straight to the source to get the pure unadulterated Word of Jesus.

Adam"

copy that, thanks.

Take care,

Ismael

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

MadGiant

"I used the physics book example because scripture works in the same way. When you are done learning from a physics textbook and are left with nothing of use, it was not a physics textbook. That's not in the "eye of the beholder" it's the scientific method. Billions of people all around the world stand by the usefulness of their ancient texts for the training of righteousness. Scripture is distinguished from non scripture by it's usefullness especially across generations."

Really!!!! Are you trying to ad the scientific method into mythology discussion. Are you trying to apply legend to the physical world? This is the basic model for the Scientific Method. Try to apply #3 and #4 to the book and your deity. Let me know how it goes. 1. Observation and description of a phenomenon or group of phenomena. 2. Formulation of an hypothesis to explain the phenomena. In physics, the hypothesis often takes the form of a causal mechanism or a mathematical relation. 3. Use of the hypothesis to predict the existence of other phenomena, or to predict quantitatively the results of new observations. 4. Performance of experimental tests of the predictions by several independent experimenters and properly performed experiments. Ismael

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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

by tootired2care in

at that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.

they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.

- jerimiah 25:33.

MadGiant

"In 2 Tim 3:16 Paul was giving us the specifications for true scripture. If a certain grouping of texts prove NOT to be useful in "teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousnes" then they're not "God-breathed." God is the source of competency, therefore His works will be fully competent." Why are there clouds in the sky? Nahum 1:3 Why are some people blind, deaf, dumb or handicapped in some other way? Exodus 4:11, Luke 1:20 What causes thunder and lightning? Job 37:2-3 Why do we sometimes see rainbows? Genesis 9:13-15 What causes tornadoes to form? Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 40:24 Why are some women unable to have children? Genesis 20:3, 18. Samuel 1:2, 5 What causes earthquakes? Isaiah 13:13, Psalms 18:7 Why are some men afflicted with hemorrhoids? Deuteronomy 28:27, 1 Samuel 5:6 So, you are telling me that 200, 300 years ago, all this verses answered this questions and where inspired. Today they are not. What going to happens when men keeps finding answers, more verses will turn to be "not inspired"? How do I know one from the other? All that's make sense today is inspired, all that doesn't make sense today is not inspired? The day after tomorrow we will see what happens? Ismael