the people in the ot made mistakes about what god wanted and expected from them.
some of the laws that were given were in place because they were too hard-hearted to accept anything more merciful.
jesus clearly states this:.
The bible contains verses descriptive or advocating suicide, incest, bestiality, sexual activity in a violent context, murder, revenge and human rights violations. May cause delusions hallucinations, decreased cognitive and objective reasoning abilities, hatred, bigotry and violence.
Do not take it leterally
Take care,
Ismael
the people in the ot made mistakes about what god wanted and expected from them.
some of the laws that were given were in place because they were too hard-hearted to accept anything more merciful.
jesus clearly states this:.
“For people who use the OT to try and prove that God is an awful tyrant...”
With all due respect, I don’t have to prove that the dog it’s a tyrant. The tyrant did that all by himself. Just read the bible!
“The people in the OT made mistakes about what God wanted and expected from them. Some of the laws that were given were in place because they were too hard-hearted to accept anything more merciful.” - tec
Are you implying that the bible is not dog’s word? 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Where can I find those mistakes? Do I get to pick and choose the passages I want?
Jesus also said:
1. Hate your family. Luke 14:26, Matthew 10:34, Matthew 10:21
2. That the Jews are unruly, vain talkers, deceivers and motivated by money. 1Thessalonians 2:15, Titus 1:10-11
3. He didn’t come in peace. Matthew 10:34
4. He speaks in parables to confuse people (what a jerk). Matthew 13:10-14
5. That he tells people lies to trick them in order to damn them. 2Thessalonians 2:11-12
6. That the dog makes some people evil on purpose so he can condemn them. Jude 1:5, Romans 8:29-30
7. That all who offends him shall be thrown into a burning furnace to wail and gnash their teeth. (so much about turning the other cheek). Matthew 13:41-42
8. That he didn’t come to change the laws followed by the Jews. Matthew 5:17-19
That book is a work of fiction.
I took this from another website:
The dog placed two types of people on this, his only planet that matters:
(1) Those who critically analyze and evaluate all available information, making decisions, including those involving their belief systems, based on thought, facts and reason; and
(2) Folks who have been blessedly spared such tedium.
Take care,
Ismael
it's amazing what you notice when you go through the bible again with a changed worldview.
this week's watchtower-assigned bible reading is the opening chapters of 1 samuel.
this little gem just jumped off the page at me:.
"Those numbers are very conservative too since big whoppers like the Flood count as zero." - Open mind
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-many-has-god-killed-revised_04.html
Take care,
Ismael
it's amazing what you notice when you go through the bible again with a changed worldview.
this week's watchtower-assigned bible reading is the opening chapters of 1 samuel.
this little gem just jumped off the page at me:.
Apparently people have no idea of the things our "good" and "loving" dog can do if someone piss him/her/it off.
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/
How many people did God kill in the Bible?
Verse | Number killed | Cumulative total | ||
1 | God drowns everyone of earth (except Noah and his family) | ? | ? | |
2 | God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. | ? | ? | |
3 | 1 | 1 | ||
4 | 1 | 2 | ||
5 | 1 | 3 | ||
6 | ? | 3 | ||
7 | ? | 3 | ||
8 | ? | 3 | ||
9 | 600 | 603 | ||
10 | ? | 603 | ||
11 | 3000 | 3,603 | ||
12 | ? | 3,603 | ||
13 | 2 | 3,605 | ||
14 | 1 | 3,606 | ||
15 | ? | 3,606 | ||
16 | God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food. | ? | 3,606 | |
17 | 10 | 3,616 | ||
18 | 1 | 3,617 | ||
19 | 3 | 3,620 | ||
20 | 250 | 3,870 | ||
21 | 14,700 | 18,570 | ||
22 | ? | 18,570 | ||
23 | For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people. | ? | 18,570 | |
24 | ? | 18,570 | ||
25 | 2 | 18,572 | ||
26 | Israelites for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" | 24,000 | 42,572 | |
27 | Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) | ? | 42,572 | |
28 | ? | 42,572 | ||
29 | The slaughter of the Zamzummim, Horim, Avim, and the Caphtorim | ? | 42,572 | |
30 | God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) | ? | 42,572 | |
31 | ? | 42,572 | ||
32 | ? | 42,572 | ||
33 | Achan (and his his sons and daughters) for taking the accursed thing | 1 | 42,573 | |
34 | 12,000 | 54,573 | ||
35 | God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. | ? | 54,573 | |
36 | 5 | 54,578 | ||
37 | ? | 54,578 | ||
38 | 10,000 | 64,578 | ||
39 | ? | 64,578 | ||
40 | ? | 64,578 | ||
41 | ? | 64,578 | ||
42 | ? | 64,578 | ||
43 | ? | 64,578 | ||
44 | 1 | 64,579 | ||
45 | 10,000 | 74,579 | ||
46 | ? | 74,579 | ||
47 | 1 | 74,580 | ||
48 | 120,000 | 194,580 | ||
49 | A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit | ? | 194,580 | |
50 | ? | 194,580 | ||
51 | 1 | 194,581 | ||
52 | The spirit of the Lord comes on Samson and he murders 30 men for their clothes | 30 | 194,611 | |
53 | The Spirit of the Lord comes upon Samson and he kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass | 1,000 | 195,611 | |
54 | 3,000 | 198,611 | ||
55 | 65,100 | 263,711 | ||
56 | 1 Samuel 2:25 , 34 ; 4:11 | 2 | 263,713 | |
57 | God smote three cities with hemorrhoids in their secret parts | ? | 263,713 | |
58 | 50,070 | 313,783 | ||
59 | The LORD thundered with a great thunder upon the Philistines | ? | 313,783 | |
60 | The Ammonite Massacre (and another God-inspired body part message) | ? | 313,783 | |
61 | Jonathan's very first slaughter (not counting the one before) | 20 | 313,803 | |
62 | ? | 313,803 | ||
63 | ? | 313,803 | ||
64 | 1 | 313,804 | ||
65 | ? | 313,804 | ||
66 | 1 | 313,805 | ||
67 | ? | 313,805 | ||
68 | ? | 313,805 | ||
69 | 4 | 313,809 | ||
70 | ? | 313,809 | ||
71 | ? | 313,809 | ||
72 | 1 | 313,810 | ||
73 | 1 | 313,811 | ||
74 | God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did. | ? | 313,811 | |
75 | The seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord | 7 | 313,818 | |
76 | From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) | 70,000 | 383,818 | |
77 | A lion is sent by God to kill a prophet for believing another prophet's lie | 1 | 383,818 | |
78 | Jeroboam's son | 1 | 383,820 | |
79 | Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord." | ? | 383,820 | |
80 | Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord." | ? | 383,820 | |
81 | Religious leaders killed in a prayer contest | 450 | 384,270 | |
82 | God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands | 100,000 | 484,270 | |
83 | God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers | 27,000 | 511,270 | |
84 | God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet | 1 | 511,271 | |
85 | Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god | 1 | 511,272 | |
86 | Burned to death by God | 102 | 511,374 | |
87 | God sends two bears to kill 42 children for making fun of Elisha's bald head | 42 | 511,416 | |
88 | An unbeliever is trampled to death | 1 | 511,417 | |
89 | God calls for a seven year famine. | ? | 511,417 | |
90 | Jezebel | 1 | 511,418 | |
91 | Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord" | ? | 511,418 | |
92 | God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners for not fearing him | ? | 511,418 | |
93 | Sleeping Assyrian soldiers | 185,000 | 696,418 | |
94 | Saul | 1 | 696,419 | |
95 | God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah | 500,000 | 1,196,419 | |
96 | Jeroboam | 1 | 1,196,420 | |
97 | "The Lord smote the Ethiopians." | 1,000,000 | 2,196,420 | |
98 | God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out | 1 | 2,196,421 | |
99 | Judean soldiers killed for forsaking God | 120,000 | 2,316,421 | |
100 | God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans. | ? | 2,316,421 | |
101 | God and Satan kill Job's children and servants | 10 | 2,316,431 | |
102 | Ezekiel's wife | 1 | 2,316,432 | |
103 | Ananias and Sapphira | 2 | 2,316,434 | |
104 | Herod | 1 | 2,316,435 | |
105 | Jesus | Ephesian 5:2 , Hebrews 10:10 , 1 Peter 1:19-20 , Revelation 13:8 | 1 | 2,316,436 |
Take care,
IsmaelT
what is a fact?
a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.
i've read the bible many times in many ways with many methods.. .
Well..... I tried, the book is a piece of sh!t.
Take care,
Ismael
what is a fact?
a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.
i've read the bible many times in many ways with many methods.. .
“What information does the bible contain that is "obviously" from a divine source unavailable by any other source? Practical information; not doctrinal assertions is what I mean.”
Here’s your practical information:
Leviticus 15:17
NET © | and he must wash in water any clothing or leather that has semen on it…… |
NIV © | Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water……….. |
Don’t believe me, ask Bill Clinton.
Take care,
Ismael
i must admit that this surprised me.
i've personally never noticed a connection.. .
study links religion and racism.
"In general, the more devout the community, the greater the racism,"
I wonder why.
Deuteronomy 7:3
NET © | You must not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, |
NIV © biblegateway Deu 7:3 | Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, |
NASB © biblegateway Deu 7:3 | "Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons. |
NLT © biblegateway Deu 7:3 | Do not intermarry with them, and don’t let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. |
MSG © biblegateway Deu 7:3 | Don't marry them: Don't give your daughters to their sons and don't take their daughters for your sons-- |
BBE © SABDAweb Deu 7:3 | Do not take wives or husbands from among them; do not give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons. |
NRSV © bibleoremus Deu 7:3 | Do not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, |
NKJV © biblegateway Deu 7:3 | "Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. |
First Kings 11:2
NET © | They came from nations about which the Lord had warned the Israelites, “You must not establish friendly relations with them! 1 If you do, they will surely shift your allegiance to their gods.” 2 But Solomon was irresistibly attracted to them. 3 |
NIV © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2 | They were from nations about which the LORD had told the Israelites, "You must not intermarry with them, because they will surely turn your hearts after their gods." Nevertheless, Solomon held fast to them in love. |
NASB © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2 | from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the sons of Israel, "You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods." Solomon held fast to these in love. |
NLT © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2 | The LORD had clearly instructed his people not to intermarry with those nations, because the women they married would lead them to worship their gods. Yet Solomon insisted on loving them anyway. |
MSG © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2 | He took them from the surrounding pagan nations of which GOD had clearly warned Israel, "You must not marry them; they'll seduce you into infatuations with their gods." Solomon fell in love with them anyway, refusing to give them up. |
BBE © SABDAweb 1Ki 11:2 | The nations of which the Lord had said to the children of Israel, You are not to take wives from them and they are not to take wives from you; or they will certainly make you go after their gods: to these Solomon was united in love. |
NRSV © bibleoremus 1Ki 11:2 | from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the Israelites, "You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you; for they will surely incline your heart to follow their gods"; Solomon clung to these in love. |
NKJV © biblegateway 1Ki 11:2 | from the nations of whom the LORD had said to the children of Israel, "You shall not intermarry with them, nor they with you. Surely they will turn away your hearts after their gods." Solomon clung to these in love. |
Nehemiah 13:25-27
NET © | So I entered a complaint with them. I called down a curse on them, and I struck some of the men and pulled out their hair. I had them swear by God saying, “You will not marry off 1 your daughters to their sons, and you will not take any of their daughters as wives for your sons or for yourselves! |
NIV © biblegateway Neh 13:25 | I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God’s name and said: "You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. |
NASB © biblegateway Neh 13:25 | So I contended with them and cursed them and struck some of them and pulled out their hair, and made them swear by God, "You shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor take of their daughters for your sons or for yourselves. |
NLT © biblegateway Neh 13:25 | So I confronted them and called down curses on them. I beat some of them and pulled out their hair. I made them swear before God that they would not let their children intermarry with the pagan people of the land. |
MSG © biblegateway Neh 13:25 | So I took those men to task, gave them a piece of my mind, even slapped some of them and jerked them by the hair. I made them swear to God: "Don't marry your daughters to their sons; and don't let their daughters marry your sons--and don't you yourselves marry them! |
BBE © SABDAweb Neh 13:25 | And I took up the cause against them, cursing them and giving blows to some of them and pulling out their hair; and I made them take an oath by God, saying, You are not to give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons or for yourselves. |
NRSV © bibleoremus Neh 13:25 | And I contended with them and cursed them and beat some of them and pulled out their hair; and I made them take an oath in the name of God, saying, "You shall not give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons or for yourselves. |
NKJV © biblegateway Neh 13:25 | So I contended with them and cursed them, struck some of them and pulled out their hair, and made them swear by God, saying , "You shall not give your daughters as wives to their sons, nor take their daughters for your sons or yourselves. |
Don’t forget Numbers 36:3-9 and Numbers 25:6-8
Take care,
Ismael
iv.
emotional control1.
manipulate and narrow the range of a person's feelings.. 2. make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader's or the group's.. 3. excessive use of guilt.
Thanks
Ismael
iii.
thought control1.
need to internalize the group's doctrine as "truth".
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Ismael
ii.
information control1.
use of deception.
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Ismael
