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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Joseph,

The Sword of the Spirit already showed your error, so you are wasting your time.

As for me keeping the whole Law, I clearly tell you with Paul:

"Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law." ( Romans 3:31 )

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law. He is our Rest ( Sabbath ) , and He is our Passover:

"Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed." ( 1 Corinthians 5:7 )

So we keep the whole Law BY FAITH, not by works.

And you have no idea about the spirit by which Paul speaks in the following verses:

"One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.
For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself;
for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's." ( Romans 14:2-8 )

We don't keep customs and civil or ceremonial laws in order to be saved. But the spirit in which Paul talks is that we must not make our weak brother stumble. And it's in the same spirit that he accepted to shave his head. And James gave him that advice in the same spirit of Love. And we do the same thing when we know how BY FAITH we ESTABLISH the Law, and we do not nullify it.

Joseph, the Law is spiritual. You either keep it ALL, or you don't keep it at all.

J.WITNESS †

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace be with you!

Joseph, you still insist:

I just showed you where. There are other verses as well. He even verified this by saying in the very next verse: 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Such things were still included in the Law and James was still obligating Gentiles to keep parts of it. James did not correct such thinking until finally Hebrews was written and James wrote his letter to the Jews that followed him. Christians do not keep the Law as it impales the Christ again as the scriptures teach: Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. This is something quite different from knowing right from wrong and doing things for such reasons. The scriptures show that it was Law and not good behavior that James was forcing upon the Apostle Paul.

I don't see anywhere James forcing Gentiles to keep the Law. The text talks about BELIEVERS from a Gentile background. I already told you that real believers love to keep the Law, the WHOLE Law.

And I also don't see where the Scripture ever said that the advice that James AND the elders gave to Paul was wrong.

You have a large imagination. But make sure you do not add to the Word of God.

Your following words clearly show that you don't even know what the use of the Law is:

Joseph responds: Does this mean that we must keep this Law then? No! While it was in effect for Israel it served as a means of salvation for the forgiveness of sins but no longer.

No, it is not that we MUST keep the Law. It is that we LOVE to keep the Law. The Law is now written in our hearts.

And, no, the Law has not saved anyone from the beginning of creation until now, not even the children of Israel. The Law cannot bring for you forgiveness of your sins, and here is the clear use of the Law:

"for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." ( Romans 3:20 )

That's the main use of the Law: the knowledge of sin. By the Law, you know that you are a sinner, but the Law cannot save you. That's why the same verse says:

"because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." ( Romans 3:20 )

NO FLESH can be justified before God and have the forgiveness of sins by the works of the Law, not even the Jews, because through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

You may say: No, but Abraham COULD be justified by the Law! The Word answers you: "For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."" ( Romans 4:3 )

You may ask: But how about those who lived AFTER the Law was given? Here you go:

"just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
"BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
"BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."" ( Romans 4:6-8 )

David lived after the Law was given, but he says that justification before God is by faith alone.

So the Law was never a means of Salvation for the forgiveness of sins! The GOSPEL is that power that saves:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek." ( Romans 1:16 )

You said:

Of course Paul could use this in his defense but Paul did not say that he was still observing it as James demanded.

Paul respected the Law in the same way James advised, because James didn't advise him to keep the Law in order to be saved. That was only your large imagination.

You add:

Joseph answers: This is not contrary to what I said but supports it: James now found himself losing the battle against Paul as he admits and tried to end it before Paul’s views could be applied to the Jews as well. He wanted them restricted to Gentiles alone. After a very intensive battle with them Paul wrote to the Galatians with more information than what was contained in Acts: At Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person:) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me : 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars , perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision. Paul did not choose to battle with them any longer having won this concession for the Gentiles. But the matter continued to plague him with Jews in his territories and finally the book of Hebrews corrected the problem for every disciple both Jew and Gentile. And James finally recognized this and corrected it in his letter to the Jews.

Beautiful dreams... Now, go ahead: give us any passage where it is said that James ever taught Salvation by the Law.

Take as much time as you want...

Then you say:

Joseph answers: And why do you think that James said that? Because he sent men to trouble the Gentiles over this earlier which is the reason Paul went to Jerusalem to correct it. Now losing the battle he does not want it to continue as it would effect what James was doing in Jerusalem with Jews. But in Acts 21 what does James do: He force Paul to shave his head and prove that he was keeping the Law. This was wrong and when he referenced this letter to the Gentiles, James proved to us all what his real intent was. It would take a few more years to correct it for the Jews as well. We have discussed all this many times here on JWD and many here understand all this very well. But I do not expect those following the teachings of men to understand it. If they cannot understand simple words like heaven, spirit, God, all things, then how can they understand something more complex?

James was not the only Christian who lived in Jerusalem. Look WHO troubled the Gentiles:

"Some men came down from Judea and began teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."
And when Paul and Barnabas had great dissension and debate with them, the brethren determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue." ( Acts 15:1-2 )

And who are these "some men"? Answer:

"But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses."" ( Acts 15:5 )

As these "some men" came from Judea, so it was the duty of James to call all the brethren not to do like those Pharisees, and not to put any burden on the Gentiles. James was not a Pharisee like you imagine. James was a true disciple.

James did not force Paul to keep the Law for Salvation. James gave Paul a very good advice that Paul applied with pleasure. We have already seen that true believers love to keep the Law. Keeping the Law is not an obligation for us, dear Joseph. You still don't know the use of the Law and of the Gospel.

So, in brief, it is YOU who are following HUMAN imaginations that have no basis in the Scripture. You look to elephants, and you imagine them flying, although you never saw them fly. Nowhere the Bible says that James taught Salvation by the Law. Nowhere the Bible says that James FORCED Paul to keep a Jewish custom. Nowhere the Bible says that James was one of the Pharisees who wanted people to be circumcised. And yet, you imagine all that as if it was true... You really have a large imagination. Believe me, it is not so complex, but, as the Lord said: "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." ( Matthew 18:3 )

You still have not given any biblical proof for your imaginations, and you accuse others of following human teachings... If you think that the Bible is human teachings, then you are in a big error.

In Christ's Love,

J.WITNESS †

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace be with you!

After we have seen how clearly the Bible says that the Son is the Creator of all things in the heavens and on the earth, both visible and invisible, we now pass to clarify some misunderstandings that Joseph has.

Acts 21:24 - "take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law."

Where do you read in this verse that James was teaching Salvation by keeping the Law?? The Law is not sin, dear Joseph, and those who are saved love the Law of God and love to keep it:

"But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets" ( Acts 24:14 )

A true believer believes everything that is in ACCORDANCE with the Law.

Respecting some Jewish customs will not make you a legalist if you have really experienced the Salvation of the Lord:

"After three days Paul called together those who were the leading men of the Jews, and when they came together, he began saying to them, "Brethren, though I had done nothing against our people or the customs of our fathers, yet I was delivered as a prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans." ( Acts 28:17 )

And look how James is clearly the contrary of what you said:

"After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brethren, listen to me.
"Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name.
"With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.
"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,
but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
"For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath."" ( Acts 15:13-21 )

Acts 15 comes before Acts 21... And in Acts 15 we see how James doesn't teach Salvation by keeping the Law, but on the contrary, he says that we must not trouble those who turn to God from among the Gentiles by saying that they must be circumcised.

In brief, it is clear how you have a large imagination, Joseph. You need to accept ALL what is written in the Bible, because, if you take only parts of the Scripture and try to explain them by your imaginations, you will fall in many errors, as we have seen.

Joseph, the real disciples of Christ are those who respect God's Word, and not those who put their HUMAN imaginations in that Word.

Grace to you!

J.WITNESS †

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace be with you!

Dear Joseph, all of your replies are based on human assumptions.

First of all, who told you that Colossians 1:16 is talking about world governments? Are world governments invisible and in heaven?? It is you who want to change the meaning of that verse and passage by making earthly governments heavenly dominions of darkness.

Another example of your assumptions: If by James you meant the author of an Epistle in the Bible, then I warn you to be careful not to oppose God's Word. James never taught in the Bible that Salvation is by keeping the Law.

And after that, you imagine things about Jews or Christians who wanted to be saved by keeping the Law, and you imagine that these are the heavenly dominions of darkness. Dear friend, Jesus said that those who do evil are the children of Satan. They are not the dominions and the rulers. I already quoted for you about who are those rulers. So take your time to read them carefully.

The Holy Spirit understands better than you what Paul is teaching in the passages. So you need to read the Word of that Spirit in order to understand what is being said, instead of going to your own personal imaginations. And I see that you have a large imagination that always wants to oppose the clear meaning of the Scripture.

Be in Peace!

J.WITNESS †

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace to you!

Dear Joseph, if your background is not biblical, this doesn't mean that my background now is not the Bible. I have given you the clear evidence of Scripture, and you opposed it with non-arguments. So I don't need to refute your answer. It is clear that you didn't answer, but you tried to show it as if I am teaching what I have been taught by humans, although I quoted the Scripture in a very clear way that even a little kid would understand.

But let me say some words about it. My friend, Jesus Christ is the incarnated Logos. God created all things through Him. If you don't give Him the place He deserves in your life, then you are living in rebellion against God. The case is that those who worshipped the creature instead of the Creator are those who didn't accept the Lordship of the Son, both in the times of the Old Testament and of the New Testament. I quoted the Scripture from Hebrews that clearly says that the Son created all things. He is the Creator. If you don't honor Him as the Creator, just as you honor the Father, then you are not honoring the Father at all:

"so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." ( John 5:23 )

If you don't honor the Son with the same honor that you honor the Father, then you are not honoring the Father at all, and the text that you quoted from Romans applies to you.

And, interestingly, the same expression used about the Creator in the verse that you quoted from Romans, is also applied in the same Epistle about the SON!! Let me quote them together:

"For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen." ( Romans 1:25 )

"whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen." ( Romans 9:5 )

Satan tries to show it as if the freedom of Christ is slavery, and that you need to escape its grip...

The text of Isaiah 44:24 is very clear. Even if you take it in the form of the question, it clearly says that no one was with God while making all things from nothing ( = creating ) .

Now, what you said about Colossians 1:16 is simply without any meaning, because humans don't have authorities and dominions in Heaven. And humans are not invisible and visible both in heavens and on earth... Let me show you what are these rulers:

"For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him." ( Colossians 1:16 )

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." ( Ephesians 6:12 )

And the text of Colossians itself says it clearly:

"When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him." ( Colossians 2:15 )

All spiritual beings in the heavens were created through the Son and for the Son, even the authorities and rulers who later became rulers of the kingdom of darkness.

So I wonder why you left the text of Colossians while explaining a text from Colossians, and you preferred a text that speaks about human authorities and rulers on earth. The text of Colossians is talking about rulers and authorities in the heavens and on the earth.

Joseph, it is very dangerous to wait until the Lord comes for judgment to know whether you were in the truth or not. The Bible says that TODAY is the day of Salvation. If you don't believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, you are lost forever. Then, it is of no use to know whether you were right or wrong.

"that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" ( Romans 10:9 )

You need to confess Jesus as Lord in order to be saved. He is the Lord whose Name saves:

"And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD Will be delivered" ( Joel 2:32 ) N.B.: "the LORD" is "YHWH".

"for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."" ( Romans 10:13 ) N.B.: "THE LORD" is Jesus Christ: "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." ( Acts 4:12 )

Be in Peace!

J.WITNESS†

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace to you, dear JCanon,

The Word was not passive in the creation of all things. He said:

"My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." ( John 5:17 )

In the account of Genesis, God didn't create all things with a passive Word:

"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."" ( Genesis 1:26 )

So the Son is working with the Father in the work of creation.

The Word says about the Son:

"For He has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by just so much as the builder of the house has more honor than the house." ( Hebrews 3:3 )

So the Son built the house, therefore He has more honor than the whole house, and not only Moses.

But the Word continues and adds:

"For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God." ( Hebrews 3:4 )

So God the Son built ALL THINGS.

And the Word also says ABOUT THE SON:

"And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS" ( Hebrews 1:10 )

All the creation is the work of the Son's hands. He was not passive in creation. God created all things all alone through His Word who is not a being separate from God.

Be in Peace!

J.WITNESS†

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace be with you!

Joseph, you simply despised the clear evidence of Scripture. If you don't believe the Word of God in whatever it says EXACTLY, then you are free to believe in imaginations.

The Word of God clearly says that God created ALL THINGS all alone:

"Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone" ( Isaiah 44:24 )

And the Word of God clearly says that God created ALL THINGS by the Word:

"All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." ( John 1:3 )

NOTHING that has come INTO BEING, and not only humans, came into being through Him. God created ALL THINGS through His Word ALL ALONE.

"By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host." ( Psalm 33:6 )

"in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world." ( Hebrews 1:2 )

Now, concentrate on the following verse:

"For by Himall things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him." ( Colossians 1:16 )

Now, tell me: Do you think that humans were created both in the heavens and on earth, and that they were the ALL THINGS created both in the heavens and on the earth? Do you think that humans are visible and invisible? Do you think that humans are thrones and dominions and rulers and authorities both in the heavens and on earth?

So, dear Joseph, you need to accept the Word of God AS IT IS. There is no way to flee from the clear evidence of Scripture.

You said:

The life that God approved for the human race came directly from the Word as no one else has such authorization from God who now rested, only the Word now carried the approved life source for the human race.

God now rested? Only the Word now carried the approved life source for the human race? Well:

"nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things" ( Acts 17:25 )

So God did not rest as you said. The Lord Himself said it when He was on earth:

"But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working."" ( John 5:17 )

Not resting, dear Joseph.

So accept the Word of God AS IT IS. You need to believe ALL what God says, and not the things that you like in the Word of God.

Grace to you!

J.WITNESS†

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace be with you!

Dear Joseph, I quote you:

It is not the Father or the lack of one that is the problem, but the life that comes from such a Father that matters. Where would you get it from? While we know that God is responsible for all creation we may not be fully aware that such creation was delegated to others such as the Word that was with God and literally created us at God behest. And this life received from him was specific to humanity and not any other creation. From this simple beginning this life now common to all of us would be reproducible and should have remained free from sin. But we know that: Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Why? Because of the importance of this life that God authorized the Word to give humanity. This authorization and its significance regarding human life is not really explained to us since we would not understand it anyway but we know this resulted from sin. The Word was the only other sinless source of this human life passed on to Adam. And this Word was the only source that could take Adam’s place. And now we know the rest of the story.

The conclusion is that it was not enough to have a simple human born without a father, but we also needed something more, something more than a simple human life reproduced, even though that life is reproduced without a human father. Death reigned, so life was needed. So your reply clearly means that the things said in those watchtower articles are wrong, or at least they are inexact. But the author(s) is using that argument to disprove the Divine Nature of Christ... So that says something about the credibility of such articles...

The next thing to notice in your reply is that you built it on the fact that God created everything through the Word. So you added:

We are not talking about the life given to animals in these verses. The all things created by Him were all human things and redeemable. This is why John appended such verses to the genealogy lists given in the other Gospel accounts and completed them by identifying the very source of the life given to Adam at such a beginning.

According to this, the Son is the only other sinless source of life, because all things were created through Him.

First, it is not correct to say that the all things created by Him were all human things and redeemable. Humans are not things, and the Bible clearly says that the Son created everything:

"All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." ( John 1:3 )

And:

"in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world." ( Hebrews 1:2 )

And if we go to the account of Genesis, we see that God created everything, literally EVERYthing by His Word, by SAYING "Let there be", and we see that there was. So God created everything by His Word.

And the Watchtower article ( http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_05.htm ) admits this when it talks about the meaning of the "only-begotten"; it says:

But these were all created through the "only-begotten Son," who was the only one directly begotten by God.— Colossians 1:15-17 .

So all things except the Son were created by the Son. And the article says that the Son was the ONLY one directly begotten by God.

Now, this is more than interesting when related to your argument about the Son being the other sinless source of life after God. Because God created everything through His Word, the only-begotten Son, and yet the Bible says that God created everything ALONE, without anyone helping Him:

"Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone" ( Isaiah 44:24 )

N.B.: In the "New World Translation", "the LORD" is "Jehovah".

If you compare it with the verses that mean that God stretched out the heavens by His only-begotten Son, you will understand who that "only-begotten Son" is, and what it means that He is the ONLY Source of life. So, in other terms, the Son is NOT the only one directly begotten by God in the sense of creation, as the above mentioned article is saying, but ALL things were DIRECTLY created by God ALONE, and the only-begotten Son is not a being SEPARATED from God the Father. The life of the Son is the SAME life of the Father, and the Nature of the Son is the SAME Nature of the Father, and no one of other nature than the Divine participated in the creation of all things and also in the Redemption or the new creation, because God says that He created EVERYTHING all ALONE.

For our Redemption, we needed the Life given by God who created EVERYTHING all ALONE. And that Life is in the Son by whom God created EVERYTHING all ALONE. The Son participating in that creation didn't add a new being to the Author of creation, because the Father and the Son are ONE, and not two separate beings. The SAME Being, the "I AM", YHWH created all things ALL ALONE.

Anything less than this Life could not redeem us.

So it was not enough to have a sinless human life without a human father, as the Watchtower articles are saying, but we need the Life of Him who created everything ALL ALONE.

In Christ's Love,

J.WITNESS†

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Why the Word or the Son of God?

by J.WITNESS in

peace be with you!.

in the following watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm.

we read:.

J.WITNESS

Peace be with you!

In the following Watchtower article: http://www.watchtower.org/e/20050915/article_02.htm

we read:

Jesus inherited no imperfections because he did not have a human father.

And another article ( http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_05.htm ) says it clearly that Jesus was no more and no less than a perfect human, because that, i.e. a perfect human, was needed to be the ransom, according to the article:

Jesus, no more and no less than a perfect human, became a ransom that compensated exactly for what Adam lost—the right to perfect human life on earth. So Jesus could rightly be called "the last Adam" by the apostle Paul, who said in the same context: "Just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive." ( 1 Corinthians 15:22 , 45 ) The perfect human life of Jesus was the "corresponding ransom" required by divine justice—no more, no less. A basic principle even of human justice is that the price paid should fit the wrong committed.
If Jesus, however, were part of a Godhead, the ransom price would have been infinitely higher than what God's own Law required. ( Exodus 21:23-25 ; Leviticus 24:19-21 ) It was only a perfect human, Adam, who sinned in Eden, not God. So the ransom, to be truly in line with God's justice, had to be strictly an equivalent—a perfect human, "the last Adam." Thus, when God sent Jesus to earth as the ransom, he made Jesus to be what would satisfy justice, not an incarnation, not a god-man, but a perfect man, "lower than angels." ( Hebrews 2:9 ; compare Psalm 8:5, 6 .) How could any part of an almighty Godhead—Father, Son, or holy spirit—ever be lower than angels?

So, if what is said in these articles is true, then it would be enough if Jesus was only a human born without having a human father. Anything more than a simple human would be against justice according to this last article, because God only wanted a ransom that can correspond to Adam's sin. Adam was not the Word of God. Adam was not the first-creation of God. Adam was not a supernatural being. Adam was only a human, and according to these articles, Jesus also must have been only a human.

My question is: Then what is the need to have the Word or the Son of God incarnated? Wouldn't it be enough to have a perfect human born without a father?

In Christ's Love,

J.WITNESS †