Posts by leavingwt

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

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if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

leavingwt

Is there a reason you refer to "the God of the Old Testament" rather than "Yahweh" or "Jehovah"?

I would like to be as accurate as possible. Both Yahweh and Jehovah are guesses at the Divine Name. (God of the Old Testament = YHWH)

If "the God of the Old Testament" is part of the Trinity, which part is he? Is he the Father, Son or Holy Spirit?

OK, this is where the words become confusing. To the JW mind, God=Jehovah=Father. From a Trinitarian point of view, "God" is three Persons. Moreover, there have always been the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Now, from this point, I would need someone with more knowledge of the doctrine to continue. Perhaps someone can help us out.

Specifically, would it be accurate to say that YHWH is all three Persons of the Trinity? Anyone?

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

jw
friends

if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

leavingwt

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as 'orthodox' Trinitarianism, but I was asking what is generally understood by Trinitarians, whom I assumed (was I wrong?) would be the same group as those xJWs here who are now Christians.
I would also be interested in what Biblical support is available for the idea.

People who openly profess belief in the Trinity doctrine absolutely believe the God of the Old Testament is part of the Trinity. I have encountered a number of ex-JW Christians who do NOT believe in the Trinity. They subscribe to Arianism, like the JWs. (Monarchian modalism is a third, common, differing view.)

I must allow someone more familiar with the doctrine to take a stab at the Biblical support.

Randall Watters and David Reed are two published ex-JWs who believe in the Trinity. (See 'Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses' by Randall Waters, page 157, and see Jehovah's Witnesses, Answered Verse-by-Verse, by David Reed.)

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Why Can't Witnesses Follow Simple Logic?

by minimus in

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if you try to connect all the witness dots, what do you get?

any jw would have to admit that if the "faithful slave" came to a new understanding on anything, it would just be blindly accepted as "the light is getting brighter".

questioning is not allowed, obviously, unless one doesn't fear being ostracized!

leavingwt

They have merely swapped the Mosaic Law, with all of it's unwritten, binding traditions, for Watchtower Law, with it's countless, unwritten laws and traditions.

Imagine that you're thinking of joining a club. You know that the club has rules, so you kindly ask to see the Rule Book. They respond like this: "We don't have one book with all of the rules. The rules are scattered throughout decades of public and internal classified publications. Many of these publications are now out of print. Furthermore, we can change the rules at any time, so we really don't see any value in putting all of the rules into writing, in one book. Besides, a rule book like that might just scare people and come across as legalistic."

Madness.

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Has the WTBS ever explained the trinity?

by wobble in

jw
friends

if i were going to comment on a deep philosophical doctrine, i would first outline what that doctrine was,has the wtbs ever dne this properly with the trinity?

from memory they have only ever reasoned at the level"one plus one plus one = 3, not one" type of argument,and odd references to trinities in pagandom.. surely a college education would be of benefit to them so they know how to present a thesis?.

love.

leavingwt

Do any of the Christians here know whether the Yahweh of the Old Testament is any part of the Trinity?

Please be more specific. Are you asking...

- Whether or not one of us personally believes this to be so?

- Whether or not Trinitarians believe this to be so?

- Whether or not there is Biblical support for this idea?

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Why Can't Witnesses Follow Simple Logic?

by minimus in

jw
friends

if you try to connect all the witness dots, what do you get?

any jw would have to admit that if the "faithful slave" came to a new understanding on anything, it would just be blindly accepted as "the light is getting brighter".

questioning is not allowed, obviously, unless one doesn't fear being ostracized!

leavingwt

From www.jwfacts.com

It's like talking to a brick wall. Until they have a REASON that they want to leave, they'll never snap out of it.

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When did Jesus approve the organization?

by sacolton in

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what publication/source does the watchtower claim that jesus approved the organization in 1918?

leavingwt

***
kachap.17p.355par.51The"Slave"WhoLivedtoSeethe"Sign"***

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On inspecting the remnant of his anointed disciples in the year 1919 C.E., the reigning King Jesus Christ did find the appointed "slave" faithful and discreet in the feeding of his "domestics." Accordingly, he appointed this "slave" class over all his belongings. Their enlarged responsible position now was that of serving in fulfillment of the now due Kingdom prophecies. All through the centuries the "faithful and discreet slave" class has been made up of those who are "ambassadors substituting for Christ," which ambassadors make an entreaty to people to become reconciled to God through Christ.

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When did Jesus approve the organization?

by sacolton in

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what publication/source does the watchtower claim that jesus approved the organization in 1918?

leavingwt

January 15, 2008 Watchtower magazine:

When Christ inspected the faithful and discreet slave’ in 1918, he found those anointed ones on earth to be faithful in providing spiritual ‘food at the proper time.’ Hence, Jesus was pleased thereafter to appoint them “over all his belongings.” (Read Matthew 24:45-47)

Sorry, I don't have the page number.

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Personal Update

by passwordprotected in

for those who haven't read 'my story' thus far, here are the links;.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/159554/1.ashx.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/159683/1.ashx.

leavingwt

Wonderful news.

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THS Investigates Cults, Religion and Mind Control

by Dagney in

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http://television.aol.com/show/ths-investigates-cults-religion-and-mind-control/10320846/upcoming.

i can't tell if this is a repeat or a new program.. i recorded it yesterday and haven't been able to see it all.

it plays again on "e!

leavingwt

Watched it last night. Excellent program. The similarities between the groups featured in the program and the JWs are obvious. JW literature, including Bound Volumes and a volume of Studes in the Scriptures were on a bookshelf, were visible during the footage with Bob Pardon.

Interestingly, the program doesn't mention two of the largest groups that come to mind: JWs and Scientology. Do you think they featured the groups that cannot afford a crack squad of vicous lawyers?

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The Gov Body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese

by iloowy in

at http://christianwitnesses.com/ .

there's a phrase: .

"the gov body quietly considered expelling those judged too obese" .

leavingwt

We had a District Overseer named Donald Amy (as I remember it) and he would harp and harp and harp on obesity at our assemblies. He was ill-prepared to serve in Mississippi, the fattest state in America. I personally thought his rants were a waste of good time.