Tina,
Thank you so much for this post, uncomfortable as it is, it was very neccessary.
A shocking and truly disgusting glimpse into the darkness that lies in the heart of man. Will there be no satisfaction until the whole world is a widow?
HS
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Afghan Women under Taliban
by Tina infor those who might be interested in the plight, public murder,bride-price, of women who live under talibans terroriistic fundamentalism........ warning!
graphic photos.. http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/women.html.
carl sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones.
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bump in the night
by finnrot inas i read this board i notice that there are a lot of people that like myself don't believe in god anymore, and when i run accross a post where someone is professing their belief in god, that i have nothing but utter distain for them, almost like they don't belong here.
for a newbie that's kind of a ridiculous position i guess.
as i was growing it was constantly shoved down my throat that every other belief system was contlolled by the devil and run by his little demons, so after 1975 came and went and i realized that the one true religion was full of crap also, that left me with only reality to grasp, and that's, you live you die and the the worms eat you.
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hillary_step
Finrot,
You note:
Don't be so damn sensitive people, I'm just expressing how I honestly feel. I'm not telling you to dry up and blow away if you're stupid enough to believe in ghosts and ferries.
Yes, perhaps it is just as well for you to remember that the 'damn sensitive' and 'stupid' people that you allude to are just telling you how they 'honestly feel' also.
This Board is, as you have realised, made up of many people who's only real connection is that they are/were once JW's. It only works properly when there is a mutual respect shown for other persons beliefs regardless of how much we may disagree with them. Tolerance and understanding of other belief systems, while not easy, shows much about the worth of our own character.
Best regards - HS
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Welcome, Frightmare!
by Stephanus insaw your provocative style on one of the pro-witness boards and wondered how long before you wandered over here; after all, you can say just about whatever you want here without fear of having a controversial (read "interesting") thread terminated and removed by zealous followers of joe-hover.
glad to see you've become apostate because of your decision to associate with apostates.
it won't be long now...
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hillary_step
To the dogmatic, I am your worst nightmare! Sleep well
Mmmm.....Well, I am not personally aquainted with Nightmare/Frightmare but I have trodden in some before.
The dog, the dog he's at it again.....
HS
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The Intellectual Taliban
by FrightMare inone of threads of this tapestry is the patent absurdity of darwinian evolution.
my attacks on darwinism are not motivated in the least by any desire to defend any superstitious story of our origins.
i believe that it will soon be possible to demonstrate mathematically that darwinian evolution is impossible.
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Fright Type,
You note:
You say a stranger can not give me a purpose? I think I found one, to vigorously oppose the dogmatic pronouncements of a Scientific Priesthood; to smash the Icons of Materialism, Scientism, Darwinsm; to free Mankind's intellectual and spiritual adventure from the dead hand of a bankrupt 19th century philosophy!
LOL - Now, take a couple of breaths, calm down, meditate on the fate of better men than yourself and then take the dog for a walk.
There now, that is much better isn't it?
HS
The arrogant man does but blast the blessings of life and swagger away his own enjoyments... - Hume
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WTS involvement with politics/UN exaggerated?
by troubled ini've seen the threads on the wts' involvement with cesnur, swaggert, and the un.
since then, i've done additional research on the internet, including accessing the un's webiste and searching for "watchtower" and "jehovah's witnesses.
" and i am concerned that many of the posts on this website grossly overexaggerate the degree of the wts's involvement and its purpose.. in my internet research, the only connection i have seen between the wts and cesnur or the un is in situations on the world scene threaten their right to religious freedom.
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hillary_step
Hi Winston,
You note:
Just a side question HS, do you climb mountains?
It would be more accurate to say that I did climb mountains ( mainly Alpine ). These days in my more senior years, the mountains tend to climb me!
Best regards - HS
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WTS involvement with politics/UN exaggerated?
by troubled ini've seen the threads on the wts' involvement with cesnur, swaggert, and the un.
since then, i've done additional research on the internet, including accessing the un's webiste and searching for "watchtower" and "jehovah's witnesses.
" and i am concerned that many of the posts on this website grossly overexaggerate the degree of the wts's involvement and its purpose.. in my internet research, the only connection i have seen between the wts and cesnur or the un is in situations on the world scene threaten their right to religious freedom.
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Troubled,
Thank you for your interesting post. What I state below is of a general nature and does not specifically deal with your noted issues but bears on the subject of fact-finding, which I think is at the basis of your post.
Knowing the focused but often hidden agenda that the WTS has and its ability to manipulate facts so cunningly one indeed must be very careful in ascertaining the facts. You are quite correct that often the WTS is attacked by its opponents whatever choices that they make, this makes it all the more important to be sure of our information. XJW’s are not by default correct on all their conclusions because they are XJW’s.
This in no way excuses the WTS affiliation with ‘wordly’ authorities however remote, especially given their inexcusable and vitriolic attacks on them for many decades. They are after all supposed to forgo even the ‘appearance of evil’ by association and as such they set themselves up as targets by their Corporate association with them and should indeed take the stripes for their actions.
However, it must honestly be recognized that some XJW have their own agenda, sometimes equally as focused, often equally as manipulative as the WTS. I long ago concluded that many of the posts on this board were the result of mere reaction to speculative gossip and half-truths, a sort of digital feeding frenzy made even more wild by the inability to draw a bead on the real target. For example, FredHall and YK, two obviously sad and lost souls, immediately provoke an avalanche of posts even though the Board is well aware that generally what they speak is nonsense. Why the reaction? The reason is that they have become substitutes for all the elders, CO’s, members of the GB etc. who have hurt us.
However, you do need to know Troubled, that not just a few within the WTS at very Senior levels are deeply disturbed by many of the dangerous decisions made by the GB. For example I spoke with a CO friend just yesterday who is deeply concerned at the part he is playing in upholding an obviously flawed policy on blood transfusions. He is seriously considering resignation, especially given that I passed information to him about the WTS and its illicit affair with the UN in Africa! My own desire would be for the WTS to get out of the ‘exclusivity’ business, imho the main reason for most of its excesses, and concentrate on developing the spirit of Christianity rather than sitting on the fence of Corporate Judaism.
You will find this Board much easier to deal with Troubled if you recognize that both JW’s and XJW’s have axes to grind and subsequently whatever you hear and read from either source should be tested. Continue your research, but be prepared to make honest decisions based on the facts that you unearth, beware the gossip and innuendo, they will just devour valuable emotions.
If I can help, you can reach me by e mail.
Kindest regards - HS
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Peace Security & Touching Jehovah's Eyeball
by Undine insalutations,.
i have been an inactive person for five years.
i am revolted by "the good old boy's club, counting time, endless meeting attendance and being introduced as "one of our fine elder's wives" etcetera...i've read and been liberated by the crisis of conscience book and realize the smarminess that is characteristic of the "organization.
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Undine,
The preterist alternative that this scripture was totally fulfilled during the short period that the Roman army retreated from Jerusalem just before 70CE makes far more sense than attempting to drag the poor prophecy, screaming and kicking into our century.
You may recall that during the interim period that the Romans left, the zealots in Jerusalem claimed victory by God, minted a new coin stamped with the year '1' to commemorate the new Jewish state, free from Rome. Expectations of 'peace and security' were heralded from the rooftops, multiple 'Messiahs' claimed success and the world relaxed...for a few months.
Then the Roman army returned in an 'instant' and destroyed the centre of Jewish worship.
Do we really need to go any futher in understanding the fulfilment of that prophecy?
HS
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A voice from Sweden
by Norm inthe swedish paper expressen september 20, 2001.. we were ordered to become americans.
the other night swedish fighter planes patrolled our skies.
according to the defense ministry this was a link in our heightened readiness towards terrorism.
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hillary_step
Hi NYT,
lol. Actually that should read ‘fighter pilot’, in the singular.
On a more serious note. It may surprise you to know that the Scandinavians have a fearsome historical reputation as tenacious and unyielding fighters.
Remember, it was the Finns who fought a simultaneous war, with light weapons and infantry only, against the Nazis and the Russians in WWII and despite horrible losses fought both these huge military powers to a standstill.
Provoke Vikings at your own peril - HS
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A voice from Sweden
by Norm inthe swedish paper expressen september 20, 2001.. we were ordered to become americans.
the other night swedish fighter planes patrolled our skies.
according to the defense ministry this was a link in our heightened readiness towards terrorism.
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Norm,
Thank you for your post.
Being a European myself I have some sympathy for some of the points made by the journalist in your post. It becomes too easy to paint America as the Saint and its enemies as sinners in this highly emotionally charged scenario.
What has to be acknowledged however, is that the act of terrorism that we saw in all too graphic detail on our screens was an attempt by religious fanatics, who have declared a Jihad against the US on the grounds of religious, not political ideology, to start a world-wide conflagration against the enemy. The enemy is seen as anybody who will not live by a peculiar brand of extremist Islamic codes, often in direct conflict with the Holy Koran itself. On this basis, if they were successful, somewhere along the line Sweden would certainly be using its military forces to protect itself.
The stated aims of the extreme left of the Muslim world is to provoke a universal war by these acts. As such they have little concern if they kill Muslims, Christians, Americans or even Scandinavians. This is not about territory and borders it is about a religious ideology and the desire to have one world religion by any means and as such is very different from the examples that are illustrated in his article.
I have no answers on this issue, just questions, but my own experience having had a friend who became embroiled in an Islamic group many years ago, is that reasoning and tolerance both vie for bottom position in their list of important issues. Taking or not taking military action against them is of no concern to them. They know that inoccent Muslims were killed by the thousands in Sudan, Iraq, Palestine etc, ultimately with US support in one way or the other. It has not changed their agenda by one degree either.
Best regards - HS
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DICK, GORE, BUSH & COLIN
by Amazing insome of you have read posts here, and on other forums, in magazines and newspapers, and maybe watched tv commnetary that alleges president george w. bush is less than brilliant, perhaps under-qualified for office, etc.. evidence seems starkly missing from these allegations.
during campaign 2000, the media started painting gw as being mentally 'one can short of a six-pack.
' but, has anyone, and i mean anyone provided even an ounce of evidence to support this?
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Hello Amazing,
You note :
Evidence seems starkly missing from these allegations. During Campaign 2000, the media started painting GW as being mentally 'one can short of a six-pack.' But, has anyone, and I mean anyone provided even an ounce of evidence to support this?
This is the problem....neither has he provided evidence to confound this view.
Best regards - HS
Only teasing Amazing, I am European and my judgments are likely to be a little partial. Anybody who can pronounce to a crowd of strangers that he is 'a very loving guy...', shows at least that he has a sense of humor.