Since it is raining/snowing/COLD outside i was cleaning out my CD case and ran across the WT CD from 1999.
I was looking at different subjects, and came across this article and thought WTF !
THEY are the ones who have directed members to look at certain dates, time periods etc. .
And paragraph #8:
"Other dedicated Christians have wrecked the ship of their faith by thrusting aside their conscience and indulging in this world's unbridled pleasure-seeking and its sexual immorality. "
Most people I know were having a hard time just surviving financially then, having this much fun was out of the question.
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Why Some Suffer Shipwreck
7 When Paul warned of experiencing "shipwreck," he had in mind some who had "thrust aside" their good conscience and had lost their faith. (1 Timothy 1:19)
Among them were Hymenaeus and Alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively. (1 Timothy 1:20, footnote; 2 Timothy 2:17,
18) Today, apostates, who deviate from the truth, verbally beat "the faithful and discreet slave," in effect biting the hand that had been feeding them spiritually. Some resemble the "evil slave," implicitly saying, "My master is delaying." (Matthew 24:44-49; 2 Timothy 4:14, 15) They deny that the end of this wicked system of things is near and criticize the spiritually alert slave class for maintaining a sense of urgency among Jehovah's people. (Isaiah 1:3) Such apostates succeed in "subverting the faith of some," inducing spiritual shipwreck.-2 Timothy 2:18.
8 Other dedicated Christians have wrecked the ship of their faith by thrusting aside their conscience and indulging in this world's unbridled
pleasure-seeking and its sexual immorality. (2 Peter 2:20-22) Still others scuttle their ship of faith because in their view the haven of the
new system of things does not yet seem to be appearing on the horizon. Unable to make time calculations concerning the fulfillment of certain
prophecies, and putting "Jehovah's day" off in their minds, they abandon true worship. (2 Peter 3:10-13; 1 Peter 1:9)
They soon find themselves back in the murky, troubled waters of the present system of things. (Isaiah 17:12, 13; 57:20)
Some who have stopped associating with the Christian congregation still believe that it practices the true religion.
However, they evidently lack the patience and endurance required to wait for the new world that Jehovah God has promised.
Life in Paradise has not come soon enough for them.
9 A few dedicated Christians in some parts of the world appear to have reefed the sails of their ship of faith. The ship is still afloat,
but instead of forging ahead in full faith, they have adopted a cruising speed. Drawn by the hope of "Paradise soon," some were prepared to
spare no efforts to attain it-zealous in the preaching work and regular in attendance at all meetings, assemblies, and conventions.
Now thinking that the realization of their hopes is farther off than they anticipated, they have lowered the price they are willing to pay.
This is evident in reduced preaching activity, irregularity at meetings, and willingness to miss parts of assembly or convention programs.
Others are devoting more time to recreation and to obtaining material comforts. These facts lead us to consider what should be the driving
force in our lives in line with our dedication to Jehovah. Should our zeal in his service be dependent on the hope of "Paradise soon"?
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NOT patient enough
by lancelink insince it is raining/snowing/cold outside i was cleaning out my cd case and ran across the wt cd from 1999. .
i was looking at different subjects, and came across this article and thought wtf !
they are the ones who have directed members to look at certain dates, time periods etc.
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What Is Your Worst Child Abuse Case Witnessed?
by Sarah Smiles inin the 60s, i remember the book study at my mothers house!
it was a shocker when a new bible study came in with his wife and their three children, one a new born.
anyhow, we watched him beat the babies head with his fist.
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Back in the late 70's there was lady who was getting ready for baptism who had an abusive, alcoholic husband, they had four teenage kids.
<br><br>One night the guy gets in a fight with his wife over the JW's while he is drunk, he grabbed her, and threw her into a glass storm door.
<br>She fell thru, breaking the glass, and cutting herself pretty badly. all the while their kids were watching the whole scene.
<br>The wife called the cong. PO instead of the police !
<br><br>he came over with his wife, cleaned her up, wouldn't take her to the hospital (the police would get involved) and told her to
<br>pray to jehovah instead.
<br><br>Most of her kids today are neurotic adults who have very little to do when it comes to dealing in reality (one is married to a PO herself.)
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Religion May Help Extend Your Life
by lancelink inreligion may help extend your life .
regular attendance is key, researchers say, but they don't know why .
by serena gordon, healthday reporter .
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Religion May Help Extend Your Life
Regular attendance is key, researchers say, but they don't know why
By Serena Gordon, HealthDay Reporter
Regular attendance is key, researchers say, but they don't know why.
WEDNESDAY, Nov. 26 (HealthDay News) -- Attending a weekly religious service, regardless of your faith, may lower your risk of death by 20 percent compared to people who don't attend services, researchers are reporting.
"Religion is always a hot topic, but particularly now, when people are perhaps in fear because of the recession and the threat of terrorism, people are looking for stability, and religion is something we find people reach out to for that stability. And, we see some health benefits here," said the study's lead author, Eliezer Schnall, a clinical assistant professor of psychology at Yeshiva College at Yeshiva University in New York City.
"Maybe it's the sense of community, or the support, or maybe people are less depressed when they join in religious services," he said, adding that the researchers tried to control the data to account for many of these factors, but "we have not completely explained it all."
Results of the study were published in the current issue of the journal Psychology and Health.
The study participants came from the large Women's Health Initiative observational study, and included nearly 95,000 women from all over the United States. The women were all between 50 and 79 years old at the start of the study.
When the study began, each woman filled out extensive questionnaires regarding health history, health behaviors, psychosocial factors, demographics and religion. Medical information was obtained yearly for each study volunteer, and the average follow-up time was 7.7 years.
Before adjusting the data, there was no significant difference in the risk of death between regular religious service attendees and those who chose not to attend. Schnall noted that there were many reasons why this could be so. But the main reason, he said, could be that people who go to religious services every week may be in better physical shape. "Maybe they're just healthy enough to go to services," he said.
When the researchers adjusted the data to account for physical health, age, ethnicity, income, education, social support, important life events and life satisfaction, they found that weekly religious service attendance was responsible for a 20 reduction in the risk of death. Attending less than once a week was responsible for a 15 percent drop in the risk of death.
But, attending religious services didn't improve the risk of death from cardiovascular disease or improve heart outcomes, the study found.
Although the study noted a decreased risk of death, Schnall wouldn't say that the prescription for good health is to attend religious services regularly.
"I'm not saying our study yields such a prescription, but our findings are intriguing and we do at least have some ideas of why there is a benefit, but we have not completely explained it all," he said.
Dr. Harold G. Koenig, founder and co-director of the Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health at Duke University Medical Center, called the new research "a very well-done study that provides good, well-controlled evidence that religious attendance is related to lower mortality."
"And, they [the researchers] show it's not just the social factor, it's not just the behavioral factors, and it's not just that some people might be too sick to be able to go to church. The researchers controlled well for these, though they still don't explain it all at the end," said Koenig.
"But," he added, "that doesn't mean there are supernatural effects, just that we don't fully understand the mechanism by which religion does this yet."
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NEED HELP RESPONDING TO THIS EMAIL, REGARDING HIGHER EDUCATION
by whereami inhelp me respond in a way that's not confrontational.
i'd like some sound resonable answers to this email, thanks.
he's a good freind and i know he means well.. .
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I had a teenager in my old hall who recently graduated from HS. His testing scores were really good, and Loyola university from
Chicago Illinois offered him a complete scholarship up to, and completing medical school.
His parents are the ultra-religious JW type, they convinced him to "reject the worldy way of thinking" and instead pioneer !!
Well, we followed their advice, and he was trotted out this past summer and fall whenever an example of spiritual things first came up.
fast forward;
He recently was DF'ed, why? I don't know.
Can he get that scholarship back? unknown. But he has the prospect of being an absolute brain without any higher education right now.
Personally I had an opportunity when I graduated from HS to go to veterinary school on a scholarship also,, since JW's don't do that
I gave it up.
One of the worst decisions that I ever made, I kick myself almost everyday because i walked away from that.
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Those here who disassociated- do you regret it?
by JimmyPage indoes anyone here who disassociated regret it?
do you wish you had just faded instead?
did disassociating give you a liberating feeling of power over your life?
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When I mailed my letter to the PO and WTS it felt like I felt as if a HUGE weight had been removed from my back.
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JW Teenager in moral danger at my house!!!
by AuntBee injust gotta vent here.
we're very close to a jw senior at my dau's hs.
he hangs out here all the time.
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There was an elder at my old hall,, his name if I remember correctly was J. Renfrow.
he was the local pedophile ,,always talking to, and getting cozy with ALL the early teenage girls.
If any young guy (excuse me a spiritual capable young man) walked into his group he would always make the girls doubt as to why the guy(s) were there.
He made it seem like anyone he did not personally "approve" of was a perverted sex offender. He did that to my son once at a picnic,I wish that I had some guts back then,(he was an elder, me,, just a common publisher)I would have thrown it right back at him as to why he was always around the younger girls.
This elder was the absolute worst one that I ever met (30 years worth)
I wonder if he ever got caught and labeled as a "sex offender" in the real world, that would have been a wonderful thing!
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WARNING< language
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the price of your seat at the kingdom hall
by purplesofa inat a recent circuit assembly, a circuit overseer gave an.
awesome talk during the portion, "giving attention to.
the needs of the circuit.
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There was a little rascals show (1936) about the gang putting on a show and the ticket-taker forgot to collect the tickets
before the show. When he realized his mistake, the announcement was made " if you like the show, please pay as you exit."
When the show ended they ended up with a huge boxful of money!
perhaps the WTS should apply this type of logic.