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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

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  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  hamilcarr

  Sirona,

  I really appreciate your posts

  H.
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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  I gotta go folks.... I'm not going to waste my time on a thread about God where people then change their mind in mid-discussion and assume that he doesn't exist, even though the original question that prompted people to comment here did just the opposite.

  Enjoyed it while it lasted. Everyone have a good day!

  Why are always the christians leaving in mid-discussion (that's my experience at least)? Do they become scared or something, finally finding out they are spinning wheels, failing to come to the point? It's like the JWs leaving when they come across someone well-versed in the scriptures and then saying he was Satan's tool.
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  Intrinsic Human Value

  by Satanus in

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  a lot of questions about this, lately.

  in the pantheist view, humans have a bit of the same nature as the source (god, if you insist).

  it is commonly called spirit.

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  hamilcarr

  Ps, they say that a pantheist is one step away from being atheist ;)

  Nice hypothesis. Contrary to theism, pantheists still believe in the intrinsic human value which is even supposed to be divine (as Sirona once explained to me). Christian posters on JWD seem to rebut the intrinsic value of every human being. I think pan(en)theism is worth our attention and appreciation.
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  A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."

  by Terry in

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  on what basis did god so love the world?.

  the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.

  god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".

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  hamilcarr

  Once something is seen to be fictional it needs to be cleared out of the mind to make way for reality. Every moment spent in such an exercise is a waste of mental fuel or energy.

  I strongly disagree. It's not because God is exposed as a (social) construction, that it suddenly becomes fiction. On the contrary, the edifice becomes more real than ever before.
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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  hamilcarr

  This is tantamount to saying ex-JW's don't understand JW's. Actually ex-JW's understand JW's better than JW's do.

  Good point Gopher. Most non-believers on JWD have been believers whereas most believers haven't been non-believers. The JW comparison illustrates the difference in open-mindedness perfectly. Seems like double standards are used.
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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  hamilcarr

  perry,

  Ever heard of the word 'quote'?

  real one,

  if someone were to come back from the dead that they know and tell them about God they still would not believe!

  I'm not so sure about that.

  perry,

  That was a quote.
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  A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on what basis did god so love the world?.

  the world of mankind had been condemned to death by god's curse in eden!.

  god viewed mankind as "dust on the scales".

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  hamilcarr

  Do humans have much inherent value? Not really, no.

  If this were true, what moral norm do we have to stick to? What prohibits us to ruin our neighbor's valueless life?
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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  Your question assumes that that the universe is "twisted".

  My question assumes the universe is cruel, I deliberately didn't say (or better: copied from Inkling) that it's "twisted" because I anticipated the finetuning argument.

  It cannot however point to a God who doesn't exist since the question itself assumes his existence.

  Why would that be?
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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  "We are Gods enemies"

  Has any christian ever considered the possibility that humans may be good and therefore don't need redemption or is this positive, all-embracing philosophy a privilege only for non-believers?
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  What Does An Ultimately Cruel Universe Reveal About God?

  by hamilcarr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  an interesting unanswered question raised by inkling in my thread on creation and god, which i'd like to devote a separate thread to: i would love to hear from some of the resident fundamentalists on this one.... why did got create a achingly beautiful, but ultimately cruel and twisted universe?.

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  hamilcarr

  Are we supposed to ignore requests made for viewpoints in your future threads?

  You seem to miss the point.

  The universe is visible, isn't it? This thread is on how we can discover God by observing nature, not about how nature could possibly be. If you want me to reply what would happen if reality were different is a senseless question, because we have no possible norm to test the accuracy of our answers. The answers to the main question of this thread, on the other hand, are perfectly justified because they are about the reality as it is, no possibilities involved. Whether you call this visible revelation Jehova, Allah or Jahwe is another question beyond the subject of this thread.