http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0299207943/ref=pe_5050_7762570_pe_snp_943 .
now that i look more into it, i believe its a recent english translation of a 10 year old german book.
i wonder if penton's book referenced the german version of it.
Considering it was likely translated into English by a JW, I wonder if "Jehovah" was inserted a few too many times, if you know what I mean.
We will have to wait and see. We can always check with the German edition and with Garbe himself. At least, it is published by a university.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0299207943/ref=pe_5050_7762570_pe_snp_943 .
now that i look more into it, i believe its a recent english translation of a 10 year old german book.
i wonder if penton's book referenced the german version of it.
How would you evaluate Hans Hesse compared to Garbe? I have the third edition of Garbe (German) and it is an amazing piece of work.
The current fourth edition of Garbe's book is an unchanged reprint of the third edition.
Hesse is superficial compared to Garbe. He also has a broader field of interest. His main work on JW is a collection of different essays on JW in the third reich. (This book is also distributed by the public affairs desk.) His is mentioned in the imprint of http://www.standhaft.org/impres.html (this shelters this private JW-site from the WTS).
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0299207943/ref=pe_5050_7762570_pe_snp_943 .
now that i look more into it, i believe its a recent english translation of a 10 year old german book.
i wonder if penton's book referenced the german version of it.
I own both books and would say that Penton's book has a more negative touch. Of ocurse, as an XJW Penton remembers that the JW claim to be God's only religion and this is the benchmark he uses. Garbe sees them as just another group that was persecuted but was outstanding in some way. To me, Garbe collected more details and has more internal distance to the topic. Penton does a lot of ad hominem against JW apologets (which may be deserved). When reading Penton I did not find anything new because I had read Garbe before.
Some claim Garbe is pro-JW because he spoke at the "Stand firm"-exhibitions and because he changed some things in later edition after having access to the Watchtower Archives. But you have to notice that he also rejects the idea of JW being an "example for today" as they have claimed in Germany.
Garbe's data are found here:
http://www.clio-online.de/forscherinnen=4156
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0299207943/ref=pe_5050_7762570_pe_snp_943 .
now that i look more into it, i believe its a recent english translation of a 10 year old german book.
i wonder if penton's book referenced the german version of it.
I have mentioned it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/150174/2734295/post.ashx#2734295
Garbe is not a JW. He is the director of the concentration camp memorial Neuengamme near Hamburg. He wrote his doctoral thesis on JW without any support from the Watchtower who denied. When they changed their policy they started to support him and granted him access to the Watchtower Archives. To me, it is still one of the best (the best?) work on the topic.
edited to add: yes, Penton refers to Garbe.
from danny hazzard,
this is big.
it appears to be a professional movie (not a you tube job).
Some German X-JWs are planning to watch it together at the Berlin Internation Film Festival.
http://forum.sektenausstieg.net/index.php?topic=13571.0
this might be a difficult question, but i am going to ask it anyway.
someone here probably knows the answer.. does a pop song probably from the 1980's sung by a solo female artist that ends with several lines of "ahhhhhh" sound familiar to anyone?.
the song ends with the singer modulating "ahhhhhh" for at least 20 seconds.. when this song is played over the radio the dj's sometime "sing" along with the "ahhhhh" part.. ahhhhhh ahhhhhhh ah ahh ahh ahhhhhhh ahhhhhhh a".
Maybe "Fade to Grey"?
i have the 2007 cd available as an iso image.
i can ftp it to someone.
reply on this topic or pm me.
Any news where to find this?
hi, everyone ---.
claire asked me to let the board know that ian is back in the hospital and expected to be there for about a week.. those of you who have been following the weekly vigil thread know that his cmv has returned.
the virus is not responding adequately to the tablets, so ian needs to be medicated intravenously.. please keep ian and claire in your prayers.. marjorie.
It is sad hearung bad news again. Get well soon, Ian.
from danny hazzard,
this is big.
it appears to be a professional movie (not a you tube job).
The movie is part of the "Berlin International Film Festival" which is one of the world's leading film festivals: http://www.berlinale.de/en/presse/pressemitteilungen/generation/kff-presse-detail_4011.html
hey there,.
how have jws reacted to a fellow member who decides to grow a beard?
i'm speaking of the brothers (unshaven).. thanks,.
After I had grown a full blown beard when I was on vacation and came back to the congregation, a pioneer sister said to me that all male who stopped to shave had become apostate and that I should respect the conscience of the congregation. Well, count me in to the apostates.
