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  question on atheism vs. god

  by bonnzo in

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  i am, for now a witness on the outside, and still believe in god most of the time.

  i have read dawkins "the god delusion", found it pretty interesting and helped me understand why athiests believe the way they do.

  but i always have questions.....one that really bothers me about deism is the thought that god has always existed and always will, had no beginning and no end.

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  inkling

  God is a gentleman, contrary to popular opinion...

  ...and his autobiography

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  question on atheism vs. god

  by bonnzo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am, for now a witness on the outside, and still believe in god most of the time.

  i have read dawkins "the god delusion", found it pretty interesting and helped me understand why athiests believe the way they do.

  but i always have questions.....one that really bothers me about deism is the thought that god has always existed and always will, had no beginning and no end.

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  inkling

  there may or may not be any sort of afterlife and we may never know, even in death.

  What kind of afterlife would we not find out about upon death?

  If you die, and you fail to learn or experiencing anything ever again, then there is no "afterlife", by definition. (for you who died, at least.)

  [inkling]
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  Jonah's under water stomach vacation....a biblical fact ?

  by Homerovah the Almighty in

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  jonahs underwater stomach vacation by capella.

  once upon a time there was a man named jonah who was traveling to nineveh on a ship when along came a mighty wind which rocked the ship violently, scaring the pee pee out of everyone on board except for jonah who like many biblical figures in various bible stories had passed out.

  the brave sailors of the ship started to panic and began throwing things overboard.

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  inkling

  is quite intelligible, if we simply bear in mind the great susceptibility of Oriental races to emotion,

  Wow, racist much?

  I guess that's what the writers get for quoting a book written in 1868.

  Nothing quite like dusty 100 year old racism to prop up the perfect word of God.

  [inkling]
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  question on atheism vs. god

  by bonnzo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am, for now a witness on the outside, and still believe in god most of the time.

  i have read dawkins "the god delusion", found it pretty interesting and helped me understand why athiests believe the way they do.

  but i always have questions.....one that really bothers me about deism is the thought that god has always existed and always will, had no beginning and no end.

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  inkling

  Yes it is!! But in my world you actually get to live first!!

  Ha... so true. But It makes me a little sad, thinking of all those who will die never having truly let themselves be a part of this massively improbable phenomenon. [ink]
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  question on atheism vs. god

  by bonnzo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am, for now a witness on the outside, and still believe in god most of the time.

  i have read dawkins "the god delusion", found it pretty interesting and helped me understand why athiests believe the way they do.

  but i always have questions.....one that really bothers me about deism is the thought that god has always existed and always will, had no beginning and no end.

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  inkling

  when we die we're... sleeping.

  Hey look, it's something the JW's got right!
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  "NO EVIDENCE" for God, and creation? Maybe there is . .

  by hooberus in

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  atheists (however one defines the term) frequently use the term "no evidence" in relation to the existence of god, any type of creation, (especially genesis creation and flood), or most any other theistic claim.

  they almost always however claim that their beliefs are "backed by evidence" ; "overwhelming evidence" etc, etc, etc, etc, repeat, etc, repeat, etc.. (their beliefs generally tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the world without needing god).

  is there really "no evidence" for god, and creation?

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  inkling

  Oddly enough, hooberus is good at starting conversations, but seems uninterested
  in actually responding when pressed with perfectly reasonable critical questions.

  Why even bring up a subject if you are not planning on having a meaningful conversation?

  [inkling]
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  Jonah's under water stomach vacation....a biblical fact ?

  by Homerovah the Almighty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jonahs underwater stomach vacation by capella.

  once upon a time there was a man named jonah who was traveling to nineveh on a ship when along came a mighty wind which rocked the ship violently, scaring the pee pee out of everyone on board except for jonah who like many biblical figures in various bible stories had passed out.

  the brave sailors of the ship started to panic and began throwing things overboard.

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  inkling

  Let me put on my faith googles, and correct a few mistakes you made:

  Oxygen

  Jonah, without scuba gear and hence without oxygen, due to a miracle survived inside of a fish’s stomach underwater for three days. A lesser man would have suffocated within minutes, but apparently Jonah was exceptionally good at holding his breath? praying for a miracle.

  Digestive Juices

  The environment of the stomach is not a very pleasant place. Untill a miracle happens. And which point it becomes awesome.

  Water

  Also in stomachs, potable water is very scarce. Therefore, It's a good thing God decided to miracle some into existance just by thinking it.

  There you go, all better now.

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  Something Very Big May Be Happening

  by metatron in

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  http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/503045.html?nav=5008.

  local papers report this, not national news.

  speculation: either plans for martial law, in the event of economic collapse ( something rumored to be discussed discretely in congress, if the bailout fails) or pakistan's nukes.

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  inkling

  There are 5 stories but it may go higher.

  just like... the conspiracy!!!!

  dun dun duuuun!

  [inkling] <---- senses a disturbing residue of WT "sky-is-falling" mentality in this room

  p.s. PlanetX/NIBIRU???? Seriously? Are we sure Poe's law is not in order here?
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  "NO EVIDENCE" for God, and creation? Maybe there is . .

  by hooberus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  atheists (however one defines the term) frequently use the term "no evidence" in relation to the existence of god, any type of creation, (especially genesis creation and flood), or most any other theistic claim.

  they almost always however claim that their beliefs are "backed by evidence" ; "overwhelming evidence" etc, etc, etc, etc, repeat, etc, repeat, etc.. (their beliefs generally tend to include whatever is necessary to believe in to intellectually "explain" the world without needing god).

  is there really "no evidence" for god, and creation?

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  inkling

  inkling, before moving on to other points what about my first question to you?
  

  And why would a creator God necessarily be "far more so" improbable than say the vastly improbable origin of life from non-life, or the origin of fine-tuning by chance?

  Hmmm... Well, are you claiming that the creator is SIMPLER than his creation?
  This does indeed happen in nature, to be sure:

  I hold that a eye is a very complex "creation" that was brought about by it's very simple
  "creator"; natural selection, working on variations within a population in a specific environment.

  But if indeed "god" is "simpler" that the universe, he can hardly be an all knowing designer worth
  worshiping... He would be more like a limited mad scientist who got in over his head and the universe
  quickly got away from him, and became far more complex that him.

  ...rather like a child playing with a nuclear missile silo- the kid is far "simpler" than the complex,
  profound, far reaching consequences of his actions, and therefore it can be said that he sparked
  the whole thing, and is the "creator" of the mess in some crude way, but we would not say the kid
  "designed" the situation in any meaningfully evil way.

  So therefore I suggest that in order for a creator to be credited as a intelligent, competent,
  intentional designer of a universe, he must be AT LEAST as complicated as the universe.

  I (with the proper training) could design a computer, but I cannot design a computer more complicated
  than my brain, without the help of other brains, or the help of other already complex systems
  or programs that I didn't design, and don't fully understand.

  So even if a creator was only exactly as complex as the universe, I would say that saying that
  either the "chance" of the universe OR it's designer just popping into existence is equally as
  absurd.

  However, it strikes me as just as absurd that either the universe or it's creator has always existed.

  All four possiblilites make my brain hurt equally.

  So either the universe popped in existence, or it has always been here. I don't like it, but
  that's the brute fact. I only "deal" with this mystery because it seems clear to me that the universe
  DOES indeed exist, despite my headache.

  Why complicate things by positing ANOTHER complex thing (a designer) outside the universe that
  is at least as absurd as the universe itself is?

  So, I ask you again: "what is stopping me from simply claiming that a "fine-tuned" and ordered
  universe has always existed?"

  i.e. the universe "is" god.

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  Schoolteacher loses job for telling kids the truth

  by BluesBrother in

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  http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/2/community-news/17526/santa-isnt-real-teacher-banned-from-school-after-christmas-blunder.

  what do you think?.

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  inkling

  Give them another season to figure it out themselves.

  To figure out... that we are systematically LYING to them? Why are we supporting the lie in the first place?