Atheism isn't a belief system, it just means absence of a belief in a deity. Agnosticism means belief in a deity, but uncertainty as to what that entails.
marmot
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Somewhere in the middle: Not Christian, Not Atheist
by darkuncle29 inso, what about those of us in the middle?
who identify as neither xian or atheist?
can either side accept/tolerate the middle?
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need good information about ice drillings
by the_end_of_eternity ini am in this discussion with an elderm and it is all about the age of the polar caps, coral reefs etc.
for abvious reasons this is important discussion.. anyway, what is good scientific information proving (or priving not) the age is more then a few 1000 years old.... i know there have been some drillings done etc.
most siytes just give this as a fact, which i do not doubt so much, but of course he wants more prove.. same with the age of the coral islands (atols).. thanks all.. end_of_eternity.
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marmot
One more thing, the mammoths found frozen solid in the tundra were NOT quick-frozen in some rapid catastrophe. Read "Frozen Fauna of the Mammoth Steppe" by Dale Guthrie.
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need good information about ice drillings
by the_end_of_eternity ini am in this discussion with an elderm and it is all about the age of the polar caps, coral reefs etc.
for abvious reasons this is important discussion.. anyway, what is good scientific information proving (or priving not) the age is more then a few 1000 years old.... i know there have been some drillings done etc.
most siytes just give this as a fact, which i do not doubt so much, but of course he wants more prove.. same with the age of the coral islands (atols).. thanks all.. end_of_eternity.
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marmot
You're welcome.
Continental drift is not a sudden process, by the way. It's measured in what scientists call "geological time" meaning that it takes hundreds of millions of years.
As for the ice canopy theory, that one doesn't work either for the very reasons you stated. As the ice (from either an orbital ring or a comet or what have you) entered the atmosphere, the gravitational potential energy released would produce superheated steam, raising the atmospheric temperature past boiling.
The flood issue is one of the things that drove me out of the watchtower society, I'm always researching it and from what I've found so far it is impossible without the aid of miracles both to produce it and erase all traces of its supposed passage. The thing is, there are people out there who believe in proper science and are still able to reconcile their faith. I don't happen to be one of them but I do believe that they're better off than people who try to interpret genesis literally. -
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get rich quick schemes, multilevel marketing, pyramid schemes and JWs
by marmot infrom my experience growing up in the jws there were two big recurring themes when it came to making money: .
1 - window washing or other janitorial work .
2 - cheezy "get rich quick" schemes and other cult-like sales practices .
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marmot
Oh yeah, forgot to add homeopathic remedies. I know NUMEROUS of those sugar pill poppers in the JWs, my mom being one of them but she's not as bad as she used to be.
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get rich quick schemes, multilevel marketing, pyramid schemes and JWs
by marmot infrom my experience growing up in the jws there were two big recurring themes when it came to making money: .
1 - window washing or other janitorial work .
2 - cheezy "get rich quick" schemes and other cult-like sales practices .
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marmot
Melaleuca, hah I had almost forgotten about that one! One of parents' close friends was heavily into that and trying to recruit us.
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get rich quick schemes, multilevel marketing, pyramid schemes and JWs
by marmot infrom my experience growing up in the jws there were two big recurring themes when it came to making money: .
1 - window washing or other janitorial work .
2 - cheezy "get rich quick" schemes and other cult-like sales practices .
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marmot
LOL, ninja. I wasn' meaning to say window washing is a get rich quick scheme but it's one of the most common jobs for JWs next to these schemes.
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get rich quick schemes, multilevel marketing, pyramid schemes and JWs
by marmot infrom my experience growing up in the jws there were two big recurring themes when it came to making money: .
1 - window washing or other janitorial work .
2 - cheezy "get rich quick" schemes and other cult-like sales practices .
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marmot
From my experience growing up in the JWs there were two big recurring themes when it came to making money:
1 - window washing or other janitorial work
2 - cheezy "get rich quick" schemes and other cult-like sales practices
I've seen Mary Kay, Herbalife, Usana, demonstration vacuum sales, multi-level marketing schemes, you name it.
These types of thing seem to appeal to JWs because there is no education prerequisite, there is a big carrot dangled at the end of a stick that is always achievable "if you just put some effort into it" and they tend to have very cult-like practices (conventions, in-house literature, pump-you-up sales meetings, love-bombing, etc) that are familiar to witnesses. Conversely, the people selling these schemes love JWs because they come with a built-in trusting social network.
My parents were involved in a number of these and even I got sucked into the false excitement a few times.
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NOAH's FLOOD vs Science ??
by Rabbit inok, well this formatting looks weird...it should taste the same tho'.
web address:.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/.
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marmot
JCanon, I seem to be providing you the same answers over and over again to the same erroneous statements.
Greenland and much of the polar regions were tropical at one time because they WERE in the tropics. Around 250 million years ago during the Mesozoic all the continents were part of large land mass called Pangea. You can see evidence for this by taking any world map and noting how South America dovetails perfectly with Africa. There are rock formations in Newfoundland that match up perfectly with ones in Scotland, showing that the two continents were once joined. The formation and breakup of supercontinents is a cyclical phenomenon in the earth's history and scientists have evidence of at least one previous supercontinent called Gondwana.
As for the lava flows in Hawaii, I told you before that the initial test used argon-argon dating that didn't take into account olivine inclusions. Potassium-argon dating showed the proper age.
You make blanket statements about scientists yet you do improper research. You really should because there are Christians out there who support science and are able to reconcile their faith at the same time. Young earth creationism and flood geology are not necessary for your belief system and they have been completely debunked, I don't know why you fight so hard for them. -
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Slammin heavy metal (aka screwin up the FJ) with the kids
by wanderlustguy inmy girls came in sunday, we hit the trails on the sandia mountains right away.
i no more than got into 4 low and slammed into a boulder that was over the crest of the first hill.
lesson number 1...if you can't see completely over it...get out and look.
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marmot
I heard that a number of FJ owners were experiencing cracks in front frame after taking them offroad, hope you don't run into that.
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Jehovah's Witness Tragedy: 24 dead; 13 in critical condition
by Kenneson inin nigeria, a bus carrying mostly jehovah's witness women, collided with a large truck on a return trip from a wedding ceremony.
24 died; doctors at a hospital are trying to save 13 others.
see "nigeria: road accident claims 24 in abia.".
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marmot
That's sad. One of my friends is my last cong. is Nigerian and he had a big wedding like that too.
Seems to be a case of wrong place, wrong time and a poor judgment call on the driver's part.