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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus in

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most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

Focus

Thank you for instructing me to get my facts right. I wasn't aware I hadn't, and am still not aware I hadn't.

Maria, as a matter of fact, was granted a "divorce a mensa et thoro" by Court order in 1908 (literally, a divorce from bed and board).

So, she got what she wanted - to be rid off Russell and to obtain a generous amount of money.

And she had filed for that separation in 1903.

So I was totally right that she obtained what she wanted.

You are presumptuous with your claims of error or inaccuracy on my part.

Maroa evidently had no interest in remarriage, and that's the only practical difference between this and what you call a "full" divorce, to which I had not referred.

That she placed flowers on his grave - as you say - is irrelevant. If I was her, I'd have attended too (in which case flowers would have been mandatory - 98 years ago, to do otherwise would have been unthinkable), to make sure the evil swine really was dead and this wasn't another of his endless scams.

On your first post in this forum, a year back, you referred to

[your] religious community

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/250868/1/INTOLERANCE

What religious community would that be, please? Or was it just the general hypocrisy of religions that you meant to refer to?

The Russell-apologetic slant that some might put on your posts (I'm reasonably confident you are simply concerned about truth - which is fine by me, of course) you make remind me - only vaguely - of that of a very robust member of the Dawn Light Association, who posted for years on Usenet under the handle ResLight.

I know you are not him or connected to him - this is purely about the "I believe all that Russell claimed and disbelieve what the huge horde of detractors claimed" POV.

Yes, I heard all this rubbish before and demolished all this rubbish before. The man, whose name was Day, lived in eternal Night as far as recognised Russell for what we was. He still called him "The Master", lol. He's still defending Russell online today.

He too hated Rutherford venomously. As do many others, I should add, and with good reason.

Russellites, IBSA-ites, Dawn Lights and Thought-Lites are still about well into the twenty-first centuries, which I find hilarious given the blunderings and deceit by Russell... proven beyond any shadow of a doubt - about how the world was going to end well before the end of the nineteenth century!

The reason I'm asking this to detect if there's any source of possible bias on your side. On my side, I have read The Studies in Scripture (yes! I'm a masochist) and have utter intellectual contempt for Russell, and see through his verbiage very clearly. Including his repackaging of old material - his job was selling magazines and books, at the end of the millennial day.

I'm pretty sure there isn't any pro-Russell sentiments on your part, but it saves time if you are explicit. I really don't have time to waste arguing with someone who believes Russell was a good guy - they are too far mentally "gone" to be worth the effort.

And, re your bold claim to me above that:

These stories about C.T. Russell have been more or less known by the "apostate" communnity around this forum

I am still waiting for you to provide any weblink pointing to even a single discussion about the specific (cemetery) scandal which is the only one I have provided evidence for in this thread.

Or, to retract.

Which is it?

[Edited to add: I've just seen you added a link to http://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/russell.html to your last post. Well, no Russellite would dream of doing that, so we'll skip any questions on that front, lol]

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New List of Watchtower Classes (simplified for the simple-minded)

by Focus in

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1 less-senile men who 'specially advises' the president of the wtbts.

2 the president of the watchtower society of jehovah's witnesses.

3 jehovah god [as wtbts president interprets/'explains' all... ].

Focus

Excellent and thank you, LogCon!

As stated, I didn't go far into the Rutherford era.

Your finds are from 1931, 15 years into his reign. I pretty much stopped with "The Finished Mystery", the 1917 monstrosity and perversion of Russell's teaching, and didn't even go through it fully as the Russell-channelling claim is nonsense. I recall taking the "Swine Class" from there, and several others - no more. I chose them as they were exceptionally insulting, even by that book's standards.

A handful of "Classes" from later years, up to 2001, were chosen - again, due to their absurd or insulting nature.

That I got ~320 of the "Classes" just from Russell is, most would agree, pretty spectacular evidence of the old kook's craziness.

Now, if we are going to extend the coverage well into Rutherford, make sure there are no omissions, please. How are you going to do that?

My Rutherford materials are not indexed by me (as yet).

Here is where the Plague or Locust Class should have come from (a thread about it I started 13 years ago):

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/2639/1/Watchtower-ADMITS-to-its-own-true-nature-a-PLAGUE

had I been thorough with "The Finished Mystery". It was processor's post about the 2014 Cockroach Class (LOL!) that jogged my memory about those locusts.

No more dialogue on this for a while, as I've almost reached my posting quota!

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INTOLERANCE

by EdenOne in

jehovah made man a free agent, holding him responsible for his intelligent acts.

jehovah never prevents man from expressing his mind.

intolerance does not at all apply to jehovah and those who faithfully obey him.

Focus

I wish my own religious community would live by these words.

Great sentiment.

A year has since passed, EdenOne. Let's talk about now.

Which "religious community", if any, would that be, then?

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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus in

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most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

Focus

Mrs Russell didn't contradict this statement in court, namely the part where this incident took place.

Mrs Russell didn't contradict it because she didn't need to contradict it.

She was a highly intelligent lady, as is well established. Certainly she was the brains in the marriage. Indeed, the only evidence I have of stupidity is why she married Chas in the first place.

So, on seeing the Pastor's feeble attempts at justification in response to her evidence, she immediately knew that she had already won and that further evidence from her would be unnecessary.

She didn't want to add to her own humiliation by going on further. It would be below her dignity. The only "saving" defence CTR could have mounted would have been to deny he had introduced these sundry young girls into the household or that they were there at all. He failed to do so, and thus was snookered. Rutherford might have saved him from these gaffes.

Hence, as Maria knew, she'd won, and it was all now down to the quantum of alimony, and nothing more. and cutting through the Pastor's endless lies, financial chicanery and concealment is where her focus lay.

.... and not debating about whether he phoooked young Em'ly up her laundry basket or down her bed-linen. There was also the issue of decorum - this was a century ago, remember.

And note that the door - even if it was to the laundry - was locked.

It is unnecessary for Mrs Russell to reiterate her sworn testimony (with what? "Yes, I still say the same thing under oath as I did the first time." - only a person wishing to admit perjury would say otherwise, so it would be a waste of time).

Had she said the "servant's girl's room" while in fact it was a common laundry room, she'd have been guilty of misleading the court, and perhaps of perjury. Turning this on its head - why did Russell not accuse her of that? His general tone of response showed he had no qualms about her feelings.

I've thus established that no response was needed and "no response" was wise.

As events proved, Maria had made her case and won it easily. She had no problem obtaining the bill of divorcement. Or whatever it turned out to be.

These stories about C.T. Russell have been more or less known by the "apostate" communnity around this forum

You sure?

So far, I have produced but one story, my headline story.

The first one in this thread.

It is about the specific scam over the cemetery.

So, to support your claim, provide any weblink pointing to a discussion about this specific scandal on any "apostate" (or other):

community

website

discussion-board

and indeed, anywhere except the Eagle's archive - and this thread, when it gets indexed.

I'm not holding my breath, though...

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Focus

("Still being gentle" Class)

109

The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus in

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friends

most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

Focus

EdenOne, I have Rutherford's trashy nonsense in front of me. I'm well familiar with it. Extracts from it are frequently used by me to illustrate systematic lying by jWs and the Watchtower.

As your link was broken, here's a (very poorly) OCR'd one: http://www.archive.org/stream/AGreatBattleInTheEcclesiasticalHeavens/1915_A_Great_Battle_in_the_Ecclesiastical_Heavens_djvu.txt

In no particular order:

I haven't accused Russell of pedophilia with Rose Ball. My Ball-stuff comes later.

Rutherford's brief explanation re 17 year old Galbraith does not fit the facts. Are you aware that Russell abandoned his normal Bethelic duties for MONTHS when trying to ensnare the child (and heiress - this was a double-find for the filthy old lecher)? Hardly merited if the few lines in which Rutherford tries to explain away this scandal was the whole of the story.

Rutherford's used the old lawyer's trick of misdirection. The plot against Galbraith's wealth is debunked and the gullible are distracted; what about her body? What kept the Pastor so busy that in his last several years of life, despite being in acceptable health (which is why his death came as such a shock to the Bethelites), he did almost no preaching at Bethel?

Logic! At 63-4, he wasn't focused on wealth accumulation. He had more than enough.

Rather than disseminate his his vast scriptural knowledge, I suggest he chose to dissemenate.

Look closely at the spellings.

Indeed, Russell's long train journeys afterwards were just possibly motivated by a need to get away from the state, away from the scene of his heinous pastoral crime.

Re young Matthews - what "laundry room"? Here's an extract from the Maria Russell trial, in testimony given under oath:

Q. You state that you found him doing this at other times. How often after that?

A. I found him a number of times; I don't remember how often.

Q. In her room?

A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. and I found him locked in the servant girl's r oom.

Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room?

A. No. He did not; he just got angry.

The "servant girl's room" obviously refers to a living and sleeping room, i.e., a bedroom for Emily Matthews, not a laundry room.

You have ignored my own:

It is interesting that though Russell has demonstrated that he was very willing to sue people for libel to shut them up (for example, his failed suit against Rev. Ross), he only tried it once against the Eagle over the cartoon ("Onion Bank and Miracle Wheat").

That's because in the factual articles (i.e., non-cartoons!), the Eagle got it correct and furthermore Russell knew the Eagle could prove that they were correct.

We know this for certain as Russell would surely have sued them if he suspected otherwise.

That further strongly suggests the redoubtable Eagle had even more dirt on Russell, but they were less certain of proving it.

Why? What's faulty about its logic?

In summary - you have fallen for Rutherford's "Great Lies". I'd imagine Da Judge went on to read Mein Kampf, being an admirer of Hitler and a hater of Jews - from Mein Kampf he'd have been happy to see his beliefs confirmed, learning that small lies fail but giant ones usually work. He already knew this.

You are probably a highly truthful person and thus very easy to deceive.

For that, and failing to take into account my "WHY DIDN'T RUSSELL SUE FOR LIBEL, THEN (when he's sued for libel over much more trivial slurs or jokes)" line of reasoning, after duly deliberation by judge, jury and executioner, you are duly hereby awarded a (fairly gentle):

WHACK !

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("I'm not mainly addressing the apostate community" Class)

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If you had the audience of the GB, what is your #1 question you would ask them?

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

there are a million of them and mine is by no means the most important question to ask them if i only had one shot at it.

but, i have always wondered what kind of bs excuse they would give as an answer to this question: "brother goober bum, given that there are both male and female partakers here on earth who claim to be of the 'anointed' and plan on being of the 144,000 ruling with christ in heaven for eternity........ why are the female 'anointed' treated as submissive, second class citizens and why is their opinion on doctrinal matters, matters of teaching and reproving, anything at all.... why are they not recognized while here on earth even though you claim that jesus has selected them to become angels to rule with him?

".

Focus

Assuming there was an expectation of honest answers, I would ask the Governing Body:

Did any of you become atheists later in life, or were all of you atheist from childhood?

The question is fair, becase no one who thinks there's even the remotest chance that a judgement day might dawn would commit the appalling crimes that these baboons, and their predecessors, have committed.

They have scammed, deceiving, killed and injured the lives of tens of millions, pretending to be something they damned well know they are not.

All their B.S. explanatiions, excuses and justifications are snipped and thrown into the dustbin.

So, it's merely a question of determining when they made their move towards atheism.

May their deaths be long drawn-out and extremely painful.

If Focus is wrong (as I am, from time to time) and there is a god, and of a vaguely Abrahamic sort at that (which seems even more wildly improbable), then I needn't wish for what will follow. These suckers will roast, lol.

RUSSELL ... ATHEIST

RUTHERFORD ... ATHEIST

KNORR ... Dunno if he even thought about these things; more interesting in the "appropriate handling" of young lads' pen!ses when urinating

F.FRANZ ... ATHEIST - obviously!

Governing Body Members and Presidents ever since ... ATHEIST (poor dim Ray Franz being the exception)

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109

The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus in

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friends

most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

Focus

snare&racket:

Of course you are right - the brainwashed jW who has been so thoroughly lied to him by Mother, thinks those who now tell him the truth are liars.

can we see this anywhere else?

Of course (assuming, that is, that I'm interpreting your words correctly).

A few archival public libraries will carry copies of the Eagle, as it was an iconic newspaper.

However, I'm limited to cyberspace; the best I can do is give you a scan - and here it is:

The significance of the date is that the Eagle was then celebrating the then recent jailing of Mr "Snare and a Racket" Sr. for 20 years for sedition (conspiracy to cause insubordination and disloyalty in the United States forces, to be pedantically accurate), just 18 months after the Pastor had gone to reap his heavenly reward.

I believe the Eagle had made the offer earlier too, but that might take me some time to find.

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109

The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

by Focus in

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friends

most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

Focus

LogCon, I concur. The Brooklyn Daily Eagle is a major source of "Pastor" Russell information. I have well over a hundred separate articles on him, each of which is an expose of sorts.

It is interesting that though Russell has demonstrated that he was very willing to sue people for libel to shut them up (for example, his failed suit against Rev. Ross), he only tried it once against the Eagle over the cartoon ("Onion Bank and Miracle Wheat").

That's because in the factual articles (i.e., non-cartoons!), the Eagle got it correct and furthermore Russell knew the Eagle could prove that they were correct.

We know this for certain as Russell would surely have sued them if he suspected otherwise.

That further strongly suggests the redoubtable Eagle had even more dirt on Russell, but they were less certain of proving it. We'll only know about a fraction of his deceits and scams - he was devious and intelligent.

Shortly after the evil slave died, the Eagle undertook to supply, for a derisory one cent per copy (a deliberate last insult, lol - it would have only covered the postage cost), anyone who wrote in with a collection package of much of their published material about the fraudster.

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Drug addicts and Christianity

by free2beme in

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i will make this clear, i am not a christian (but i am a former jw).

i have noticed a trend among christians and something i wanted to discuss.

it is that those with the strongest faith, the deepest emotional connection to hope and swallow the stories of the bible the deepest.

Focus

HeyThere, indeed correct, but we know with jAH, any incredible promise is possible. See Matt. 19:24.

But if hE tries to get me to pass through the eye of a needle, hE will find that I carry four-pawfulls of needles myself, all kept sharp and ready to use on underperforming, underachieving and fake deities.

Does anyone have a scan of the illustration on page 7 of the the Watchtower of September 15, 1999? I am away from my Kingdom-Proclaiming material, and while I need it for other use, it would be very apt here. Thanks!

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Elder molester - Montana - 1970s - need your help please

by tazchick55 in

hi there tazchick55 here need your assistance i am trying to locate an elder who molested my sister when she was 16 without publishing his name his initials r j c he bounced around montana with his wife and another woman gawd only know what was up with that.

they never stayed in one place long i believe wify and friend were pioneers he was an elder in the bozeman/belgrade about 1976 or there about there is a good chance he is dead (one can only hope he died a painful death at any rate if you have any information let me know thanks.

Focus

Are his initials "JC" or "RJC"?

"J.C.".

The "r" was an abbreviation for "are", I think, LLlfS.

AND, tazchick55, EDIT THE SUBJECT OF THE POST as suggested.

Also, send a PM to:

AndersonsInfo here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/member/18048

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