Posts by B_Deserter

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Double Lifers

by sandy in

she thinks that it has got to be him as well.

i was searching one day for different people and i thought of him and other friends i used to have in dubland.

there was less than a full page of people with his name.

B_Deserter

I challenge you to find one dub's Myspace page that would meet with society approval.

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144,000 Changes Coming ?

by Poztate in

in the may wt questions from readers they did away with the 1935 cut off date to be part of the original anointed class.

they taught any anointed after that date were replacements for those who had "fallen away".

over the years that doctrine has slowly fallen apart.

B_Deserter

One thing the Watchtower society does best is switch from literalism to figuratism mid-verse. The number 144,000 is real, but the male jewish virgins part isn't.

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I talked to my mom about da troof last night

by B_Deserter in

debating with my parents about doctrine is like trying to wrestle a greased eel.

we were talking about how i feel about the religion and since i'm only starting my fade i didn't mention anything too blatant.

i just told her i was having a real problem with 1914 and 607. i told her i haven't been able to find one secular source that says jerusalem was destroyed in 607, but that they all say 586.

B_Deserter

"Interesting! why 1935? It sounds like your mom has her own dates and still believes in the JW. She has been in for a long time and does not want to give up her life style."

I told my mom 1935. Its based on if the Watchtower were to accept the secular 586 date instead of the 607 date but kept the gentile times doctrine. 607-586 is 21 years, so 1914+21 is 1935.

I'm not trying to get them to stop being witnesses, either. The problem I have is that if I start fading they're going to want to start debating with me. I don't want them to de-convert, I want them to UNDERSTAND why I don't agree with it.

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How do jws explain this verse?

by badboy in

jw
friends

there a verse that says`wherever one ot two are gathered in my name,shall i also be there.. what is jw ake on that verse?.

B_Deserter

I have a friend that has used that verse. I believe they use it to say that even small service groups have Jehovah's spirit.

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I talked to my mom about da troof last night

by B_Deserter in

debating with my parents about doctrine is like trying to wrestle a greased eel.

we were talking about how i feel about the religion and since i'm only starting my fade i didn't mention anything too blatant.

i just told her i was having a real problem with 1914 and 607. i told her i haven't been able to find one secular source that says jerusalem was destroyed in 607, but that they all say 586.

B_Deserter

Debating with my parents about doctrine is like trying to wrestle a greased eel. We were talking about how I feel about the religion and since I'm only starting my fade I didn't mention anything too blatant. I just told her I was having a real problem with 1914 and 607. I told her I haven't been able to find one secular source that says Jerusalem was destroyed in 607, but that they all say 586. (side note, I need to look up information on the reasons for 586 instead of 607). She said that her and my dad will do some research. Then she said that even if Jerusalem wasn't destroyed in 607 it wouldn't really affect her faith, all that would mean is that Jesus came to earth in 1935, but it doesn't change how close the end is. I'm not really prepared well for these conversations (heh, I guess it's kind of like preparing for service, except for opposite ends), so I don't really say much. She said that the apostles were wrong about the timetables of many of their expectations, but that didn't make them false prophets.

My parents are kind of different than the rank-and-file. They see the GB as fallible men that make mistakes and don't believe things they don't agree with. I don't think they'd directly kill others or themselves for the organization. This is what makes arguing with them frustrating. You could prove every JW doctrine wrong, and they'd still be witnesses.

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CONVERSATION WITH MY JW SISTER LAST NIGHT......

by Mary in

jw
friends

well i guess this was a long time in coming, but yesterday afternoon, my family all got together and had a bbq at my parents' home.

when my parents left at around 6:00pm to drive my one non-dub sister home, my other sister and brother in law (former elder), stayed for a while longer.. we've never discussed my leaving 'the truth' a couple of years ago but she brought it up last night and we started talking about the religion.

everyone had been drinking but no one was drunk, so alot got said.

B_Deserter

"Well, they still offer a hope and no other religion is preaching like we do"

Carl Sagan once said, "it is far better to know the truth about the universe than to persist in a delusion, no matter how comforting."

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CONVERSATION WITH MY JW SISTER LAST NIGHT......

by Mary in

jw
friends

well i guess this was a long time in coming, but yesterday afternoon, my family all got together and had a bbq at my parents' home.

when my parents left at around 6:00pm to drive my one non-dub sister home, my other sister and brother in law (former elder), stayed for a while longer.. we've never discussed my leaving 'the truth' a couple of years ago but she brought it up last night and we started talking about the religion.

everyone had been drinking but no one was drunk, so alot got said.

B_Deserter

You should also mention to her that the context of every scripture the dubs use to justify the "preaching" work refer ONLY to the apostles. Jesus was speaking to only the twelve at Matthew 24:14 and 28:19,20. The scripture in Acts where it talks about preaching publicly and house to house is only referring to the Apostles. It is clear from the scriptures that not ALL Christians engaged in a public ministry, only THOSE WHO WERE COMMISSIONED--the apostles and those they invited--did so. It was missionary work to start new congregations, and there is no biblical evidence that the early Christian laity preached house to house in their own neighborhoods.

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Your favorite bits of JW folklore

by B_Deserter in

we all hear stories an experiences that happened to a "friend of a friend," and the witnesses are no exception.

they even have their own urban legends.

here are my favorites, and please post yours as well.. 1. watchtower theologists according to one of the old guys i used to pioneer with, there is a super-scary-secret organization of apostates called "watchtower theology.

B_Deserter

I've heard the worm burgers from witnesses but it's just ridiculous. Beef is a far cheaper protein source than worms, it would be financial disaster for any fast food restaurant to use worms.

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Your favorite bits of JW folklore

by B_Deserter in

we all hear stories an experiences that happened to a "friend of a friend," and the witnesses are no exception.

they even have their own urban legends.

here are my favorites, and please post yours as well.. 1. watchtower theologists according to one of the old guys i used to pioneer with, there is a super-scary-secret organization of apostates called "watchtower theology.

B_Deserter

I've heard that one

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See Pastor Russell sing and be exposed as a pyramidologist (video)

by Wasanelder Once in

just cut and paste this link and i think you'll laugh.

let me know what you think.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4_9e4-jqmq0 w.once

B_Deserter

Way to slaughter the sacred JW cow.