Posts by T.F.

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How many gods are there that are neither true gods nor false gods?

by T.F. in

i heard the jws believe jesus is "neither" a true god/god nor a false god, or sometimes the jws will say jesus is "not" a true god/god nor a false god.

with the belief that jesus is "mighty god" in isaiah, "god" or "a god" in john 1:1 depending on the religion and bible, are there any other gods that are neither real nor unreal?

where is the logic when the governing body and the bible and tract society has come up with something that is not so explainable, and why didn't they explain it?.

T.F.

Greetings dogon,

If all gods are false, then are you saying they still exist?

Many times in the Bible God mentioned those so-called gods that were shaped in gold, stone or wood, etc... and even though they exist as gods they still existed as unreal or false gods.

There are two types of gods that exist. One type is real, the other type is unreal (fake or false).

An example of these two types of existences is a so-called Christian who is a false Christian. This false Christian still exists as a fake or unreal Christian. What if they are all false Christians, or there are no True Christians? Then these so-called Christians still exist as false or unreal, don't they?

What if it is true as you say that all gods are false? Is money a false god? Does it still exist?

I see the only non-existent gods are the ones who are said to be neither the real and the unreal, or between the true and the false gods such as what the JW leaders have made up in their minds about Jesus. These leaders are making up a non-existent god that does not fit in with what the Bible says.

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How many gods are there that are neither true gods nor false gods?

by T.F. in

i heard the jws believe jesus is "neither" a true god/god nor a false god, or sometimes the jws will say jesus is "not" a true god/god nor a false god.

with the belief that jesus is "mighty god" in isaiah, "god" or "a god" in john 1:1 depending on the religion and bible, are there any other gods that are neither real nor unreal?

where is the logic when the governing body and the bible and tract society has come up with something that is not so explainable, and why didn't they explain it?.

T.F.

One.

How many gods are neither real nor unreal?

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How many gods are there that are neither true gods nor false gods?

by T.F. in

i heard the jws believe jesus is "neither" a true god/god nor a false god, or sometimes the jws will say jesus is "not" a true god/god nor a false god.

with the belief that jesus is "mighty god" in isaiah, "god" or "a god" in john 1:1 depending on the religion and bible, are there any other gods that are neither real nor unreal?

where is the logic when the governing body and the bible and tract society has come up with something that is not so explainable, and why didn't they explain it?.

T.F.

I heard the JWs believe Jesus is "neither" a True God/god nor a false god, or sometimes the JWs will say Jesus is "not" a True God/god nor a false god. With the belief that Jesus is "Mighty God" in Isaiah, "God" or "a god" in John 1:1 depending on the religion and Bible, are there any other gods that are neither real nor unreal? Where is the logic when the Governing Body and the Bible and Tract Society has come up with something that is not so explainable, and why didn't they explain it?

Here is the real logic as it stands...

Can anything exist as neither true (real) nor false (unreal)?

Example...

Can a so-called Christian exist as neither a true Christian nor a false Christian?

Can a so-called Christ exist as neither a true Christ nor a false Christ?

Can a so-called witness of God exist as neither a true witness nor a false witness?

How about diamonds and gold? Can they be neither real nor unreal, neither true nor false?

Even when there is an imitation of something like leather, fur, jewelry, etc... either it has to be a real imitation or a fake imitation, there is no imitation that is neither real nor fake.

Look at all the things that exist, and can we say there is ANYTHING that is neither real nor unreal, or anything that is neither true nor false?

If there is nothing else that exist as neither true (real) nor false (unreal), what kind of godly existence is there for Jesus being neither a True God nor a false god in the JW religion?

I discussed this at length in other forums, and the responses I get from JWs are indirect, derailing and it just didn't get anywhere when it comes to trying to open up their common sense. The JW belief on this kind of a god just doesn't make any sense.

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JEHOVAH-WITNESS.NET is my way of removing the WTS mind control.

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

one way the wts use mind control:.

members are not allowed to question, criticize or complain -- if they do, the leaders allege that the member is defective - not the organization or the beliefs.. .

i found that you could never turn to anyone in the congregation to either question,criticize, or complain about something inside organization.

T.F.

The FDS compliance rules remind me of the Star Trek series about the Borg Collective...Borgs are not allowed to question, criticize or complain, or their leader will say they are defective and need repair.

"Resistance is Futile!"..."We will Assimilate You!"..."You must Comply!"

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Has anyone seen this Watchtower article before?

by T.F. in

hi, my first post here.

i stumbled across something in the watchtower 1981 magazine (in my wbts library cd) showing the faithful and discreet slave is "a composite individual".

i have never seen this anywhere before, but the wbts set-up of the fds as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the trinity of three divine persons in one true god.

T.F.

Thanks to all for welcoming me to the board. Thanks ynot for presenting yet another article showing a composite unity of a "slave". I don't know how those quote boxes work either since I am a new poster here, but I'll have to get into that sooner or later. I never said the "slave" has something to do with the Trinity, it is the concept of the two that is somewhat similar. One is God, the other is "slave" or whatever that is.

I had discussions on that subject of man being head of woman with the JWs. Yes, man is the head of the family, the wife, the church, but man and woman are also equal partners in their human nature. Does this also apply to God the Father being head of His Glorious Son, and yet they are also equal in their Divine Nature, and also Jesus is head of man, but equal not in the Divine sense, but only in their human nature? I read that interesting topic in the book "Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses" by Ron Rhodes, his gentle apologetics is a unique classic.

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Has anyone seen this Watchtower article before?

by T.F. in

hi, my first post here.

i stumbled across something in the watchtower 1981 magazine (in my wbts library cd) showing the faithful and discreet slave is "a composite individual".

i have never seen this anywhere before, but the wbts set-up of the fds as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the trinity of three divine persons in one true god.

T.F.

Composite Prophet...That was a good one! The WBTS concept of the FDS (according to their writings) is made up of 144,000 persons of one composite "slave" individual and person. Each member is equal and yet fully "slave"

The Trinitarian concept of the Trinity is somewhat similar...Three Divine Persons in One Composite Being who is God. Each Divine Person is equal and yet fully God. This is somewhat similar to the FDS concept, but I wonder if they actually copied that from the Trinity concept?

So far the JWs I have discussed this with are fully denying the FDS is a composite individual, they want to say they are "individuals" and avoid the word "slave" (singular) at all costs. They actually deny their so-called future rulers' writings and prefer to call them "individuals". What should I say to those JWs?

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Has anyone seen this Watchtower article before?

by T.F. in

hi, my first post here.

i stumbled across something in the watchtower 1981 magazine (in my wbts library cd) showing the faithful and discreet slave is "a composite individual".

i have never seen this anywhere before, but the wbts set-up of the fds as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the trinity of three divine persons in one true god.

T.F.

My story? Not much to say except I had an elder with another JW visiting my home every 2 weeks until I whopped him with his embarrassing beliefs. I had another group from another Kingdom Hall about once a month, they all stopped their visits 3 years ago, so I'm working my apologetics online, studying the Greek Scriptures, Hebrew Tanach, etc... and I like to discuss topics with Christadelphians, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.

It is interesting how the JWs will argue against the Hebrew word "echad" and Greek word "heis" in the Bible, when they often use a composite unity to describe the 144,000 anointed ones as the Watchtower CD suggests.

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Has anyone seen this Watchtower article before?

by T.F. in

hi, my first post here.

i stumbled across something in the watchtower 1981 magazine (in my wbts library cd) showing the faithful and discreet slave is "a composite individual".

i have never seen this anywhere before, but the wbts set-up of the fds as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the trinity of three divine persons in one true god.

T.F.

Thanks Black Sheep, and I still have one more article showing the FDS as "one composite person"...wow!

Watchtower 1958 1/15 p.46
Since 1919 this “faithful and discreet slave,” who is a composite person made up of all anointed Christian joint heirs of Jesus Christ, has been taking care of “all his belongings” on earth.

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Has anyone seen this Watchtower article before?

by T.F. in

hi, my first post here.

i stumbled across something in the watchtower 1981 magazine (in my wbts library cd) showing the faithful and discreet slave is "a composite individual".

i have never seen this anywhere before, but the wbts set-up of the fds as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the trinity of three divine persons in one true god.

T.F.

Thanks...I have been to other forums before but this is officially my first day's work here at jehovahs-witness.net . I should add that the word "individual" in my Webster's Dictionary defines as a "being" among other definitions. It would be interesting if they placed down the words "a composite being" and make it so strikingly similar to the Trinity as it is a composite being of Three Divine Persons in One God.

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Has anyone seen this Watchtower article before?

by T.F. in

hi, my first post here.

i stumbled across something in the watchtower 1981 magazine (in my wbts library cd) showing the faithful and discreet slave is "a composite individual".

i have never seen this anywhere before, but the wbts set-up of the fds as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the trinity of three divine persons in one true god.

T.F.

Hi, my first post here. I stumbled across something in the Watchtower 1981 magazine (in my WBTS Library CD) showing the Faithful and Discreet Slave is "a composite individual". I have never seen this anywhere before, but the WBTS set-up of the FDS as "a composite individual" looks somewhat similar to the Trinity of Three Divine Persons in One True God. The JWs have argued with me about the Trinity before in other sites, but I never thought they had a similar composite unity made up of one individual slave, and each member are fully slave, somewhat like the Trinity is One God, and each member are fully God.

Watchtower 1981 12/1 p.26

"Jesus Christ foretold that he would put this "faithful and discreet slave" in charge of all his belongings to provide spiritual food for his followers. The foregoing facts prove that this "slave" is a composite individual and is associated with the Christian witnesses of Jehovah.—Matt. 24:45-47."

What do you all make out of this?