Posts by flipper

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After 50 years Zealous Service, My Elder Friends goes Inactive

by James Jack in

i asked him what happened.

he said "him and his wife lived a full theocratic life for jehovah.

doing everything the organization and the traveling brothers told them to do, like work part time, regular pioneer, serve where the need is great.

flipper

JAMES- Thanks for posting this story. What a sad situation. But please tell your friends that we are here for them and we are thinking about them. They are REALLY to be commended for exiting the JW cult so late in life. They must be really strong mentally. So many older folks can't face that they wasted their lives for years- so they stay in. It's still an extremely tough road to hoe at that age though. Good for them that they finally have their freedom. But the financial losses and price they had to pay was horrific. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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The two elders threaten my sister again

by opusdei1972 in

as i reported here in this forum, some time ago, my sister was constantly harried by two elders so as to be submitted to a judiciary committee for apostasy.

these two elders were constantly hounding her in the street when she walks to go to her job.

so she had to send them a notary letter in which she wrote that she would attend the judiciary committee only with her attorney.

flipper

OPUDEI- I'm so sorry that your sister is being harassed like this by these elders. What jerks ! She lives in a South American country ? Good ! those cops don't mess around down there. By all means your sister should inform the police, get a restraining order, or even use a phone to record pictures of these dolts stalking her. Anything she needs to do to pressure them to stop- she should pursue. Good luck to her. Tell her we care and are thinking about her

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NOW it's Important

by TheLiberator in

i have spent 45 years of my life sacrificing my soul to the watchtower.

twenty-five of those years as a ms/elder.

i gave every moment to them.

flipper

LIBERATOR- I mean, I understand what you're saying- sure- I was born into the JW cult back in the late 1950's and my dad was a City Overseer, my brother long time at Bethel, and me a Ministerial Servant /Pioneer for about 6 years. I stopped doing that stuff when- like you- I felt I was being " used " by the WT Society quite literally in a negative way.

To me it seems you may have been deceived and hoodwinked into thinking by the WT Society that whether or not you were deemed " spiritual " depended on if you advanced in position in the organization. That WAS and still IS the WT Society's view . Being " spiritual " in JW terminology had nothing to do with how kind, compassionate, or loving a person was- it had everything to do with the amount of hours turned in, how many times they answered at meetings, or how regular they attended meetings. Being a good person in WT land has nothing to do with cultivating the alleged " fruitages of the spirit ". It's all about how well we did in WT functions, not actually BEING loveable people.

And THAT ideology my friend is what I have a big problem with the WT Society over. If you are going to get angry towards people- why not get angry at the idiots who RUN this organization the Governing Body and the other WT leaders who MADE these ridiculous guidelines in the first place that determine if a JW is considered " spiritual " or " progressing " ? The fellow JW's you spoke angrily about - who knows ? Maybe they didn't WANT to reach out because they had inner doubts themselves ? Or they just were wanting to stay in the JW cult because of family ?

If anything having been raised in a family by a self serving self righteous elder dad who thought getting position and praise from others was all he ever wanted in his own life - while he sneered at others who didn't " reach out " or " accomplish much " within the organization - reminds me that the " competition " that was stirred up among those we thought were good " brothers & sisters " - competing over who would get assembly parts, talks on the platform all the time, or who would grease up ( or jerk off ) the Circuit Overseer with green hand shakes to " progress and become more spiritual " ? I mean I hope you see my point. The whole WT system of allegedly " reaching out " was totally flawed. It fostered competition and animosity between people who " reached out " and those who did not. It had NOTHING to do with being a good person. Just had a lot to do with being a good Nazi, or WT soldier doing the bidding for the WT Society's purpose.

I see and understand your anger. I believe you need to redirect your anger more accurately at the WT leaders for the criminal policies they have regarding child abuse, and how thousands of innocent minor children have lost their lives due to not receiving life saving blood transfusions. This WT criminal organization needs to be taken down. THOSE are the important issues all of us as ex-JW's are facing - not whether Brother Joe Blow or Sister Mary Irregular never " reached out " and that angered you. Why not hope that these people will open their eyes about the WT Society's crimes and join you in leaving the organization as well ? We were ALL mind controlled by WT Society doctrines, even you one who thought he was " doing good ". Once we all exit the organization it doesn't matter WTF we did inside the org. Title of your thread should read NOW IS IMPORTANT not Now it's important. Just trying to give a different view here. You feel how you feel I respect that- but how about moving on into the now and the future and it may bring happier moments for you ? Take care, I'm glad you are here. Hang in there Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Steven Hassan's interview on a new fictional cult film, "The Path" Fact-Checked: The Ugly Truth Behind Real-Life Cults

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

the path.

march 30, 2016 .

the path fact-checked: the ugly truth behind real-life cults .

flipper

Exactly. I totally agree with Steve Hassan. Great quote. Thanks for sharing Barbara

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Trying To Leave - Im Going Crazy

by pale.emperor in

this is my first post.

i really feel i need to leave the jw's rather than go along pretending everything is perfect etc.

no friends, me at work.

flipper

PALE EMPEROR- Wow. Really, just wow. I'm just catching up on your entire story. I missed this when you first posted this thread. First of all- let me say that I'm really sorry that you've been exposed to this vitriolic hate speech and lack of honoring boundaries by your father in law. It's absolutely disgusting how he has treated you and your wife. His statement, " Even if this isn't the truth, isn't it a wonderful place for our children to grow up ? " What's your father in law been smoking ? How would you like it if your father in law treated you and your wife's children - the exact same way he has treated both of you ? And that may very well happen if as your children hit their teenage years and decide they want to bolt for freedom of mind outside the organization.

It's great that YOU would always be there unconditionally for your daughter and any of your children- however the damage that can rip a family into a million pieces isn't done by the GOOD people like you- it's done by the mind controlled hatemongers like your father in law in the JW organization. I truly believe part of your wife's emotional problems have come from years of trying to live up to her " daddie dearest " elders expectations and it's caused her to have PTSD.

I know and understand what you and your wife are going through to some extent as I was born and raised by an authoritative elder , a long time City Overseer , who ruled our house with an iron fist. He thought he was Hitler's younger brother in another lifetime- if you get the satire in my humor. To put it mildly- not fun being his son as a teenager, or even since then as an adult. I didn't start completely feeling like MY life was my own until my late 30's almost 40 when I STOPPED trying to please " Daddy Dearest " as I realized NOTHING I ever did would ever please him . Elders are trained by the WT organization to love the organization first, family way down the line after.

THIS is where you and your wife need to get psychologically if you are to find complete happiness in life and stop letting her dad or anybody else try to dictate to you HOW you should live your lives. Your wife's mental health depends on it. If it requires moving away from her parents area- good- do it ! You'll be able to run your own lives and experience much less stress for your young family.

Hopefully your wife is able to see a counselor to deal with her stresses right now, but don't go telling her dad as he'll try to influence her to stop her counseling sessions. Most JW's put down professional counseling. man, buddy I wish you the best but I'm afraid that if you and your wife don't grab hold hard on the reins of the horse in your life that you are riding- her " daddy dearest " elder is going to ride your family horse right off of a cliff to your demise. I would catch the next train or horse for freedom of mind for you, your kid, and your wife with no delays or hesitation. Think about it : With relatives like we have inside the JW organization- who needs enemies ? Go make yourselves some REAL unconditional friends outside the JW cult. We are here for you my friend. Lots of us have gone , or are going through similar situations. If you ever want to chat, just PM me, and I'll give you my phone number. I offer my friendship. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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I hope Armageddon doesn't come before we find out who Negan killed

by Zoos in

that's all i have to say.

flipper

My money is on Morgan & Carol getting together with the group that helped Morgan get Carol medical help- and Morgan, Carol and that new group from the season ending episode will come back and kick Negan's ass and his group- then spring Rick's group free. Kind of my prediction- for what it's worth.

Negan of course hit somebody hard in the end but who knows IF that person died or not ? It wasn't definitive. AND maybe Morgan will finally stand up and give retribution to Negan. At least that's what I'm hoping for

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NYTimes Article - As Pennsylvania Confronts Clergy Sex Abuse, Victims and Lawmakers Act

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/us/pennsylvania-clergy-sex-abuse.html?emc=edit_au_20160404&nl=afternoonupdate&nlid=60657855&_r=0.

as pennsylvania confronts clergy sex abuse, victims and lawmakers act.

by laurie goodsteinapril 4, 2016 .

flipper

BARBARA- Thanks for posting this. Abuse of power and child abuse needs to be continually brought out in the open and addressed. There have even been crime shows on T.V. like " Law & Order SVU " that have had episodes that deal with the cover ups of priests and judges and politicians hiding child abuse within their ranks. This is a horrific crime that happens in epidemic ways in our modern society and needs to be stopped. Giving people access to information is a huge start in getting the word out to the public

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How much do you think GB enjoy their lives?

by elbib in

many who have watched the gb know that they seem to be desperate to be admired, to be looked up to…….

now the question arises—do they really enjoy their lives?

does their superiority complex make them feel good?.

flipper

I would venture to say that some of the GB are control freaks, possibly sociopathic narcissists who really enjoy their lives because they have control over 8 million lives by the policies they strut out there. I mean- just think of the physical benefits- all your medical paid for, don't have to hold down a real job like many middle aged people do today who aren't wealthy in the least - and they jet around all over the world giving speeches in remote places like Zimbabwe or whatever.

AND to boot- the GB feels they are a " law unto themselves " - they feel they don't have to appear in " man made " courts to testify or give reasons for their faulty child abuse policies because THEY feel " God Jehovah " will be their judge - not PUNY man. Especially not " worldly men " or " worldly courts ". Think about that for a minute. How many of us- you and me - could get away with flouting the laws of the land without winding up incarcerated in jail somewhere ?

Indeed - I feel the GB thinks they are Teflon and they can't be touched. Or held accountable for anything. Yeah, I think they feel pretty good about their position and are as happy as clams . I don't think that they are " " weeping and gnashing " deep within themselves " over anything actually. Sociopath's don't have consciences. Those nerve endings in their brain neurotransmitters have either been turned off or singed, burned dead so they don't operate. How else could the GB make policies to be followed like " no blood transfusion " policies that kill innocent minor JW children , and policies that divide families such as shunning ? It's because they have NO moral values or ethics whatsoever. Think Ted Bundy, Jim Jones, David Koresh . True the GB hasn't pulled a trigger on a gun and killed people - but they HAVE killed people indirectly by their teachings and policies. They need to be locked up for life in prison for crimes against humanity. With the key to the prison thrown away

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Does anyone here watch the walking dead?

by Butyoucanneverleave in

if so, what did you think about tonight's season finale?

flipper

BUTYOUCANEVERLEAVE - Nice thread. Thanks for posting. My wife and I are HUGE Walking Dead fans. With Comcast cable they have Xfinity on Demand so if you miss Sunday nights episode you can catch it Monday night. Our neighbor a 42 year old father of a 5 year old and 2 year old comes over Monday nights to watch it with us as he doesn't have cable. It gets him out of the house away from his kids ( his wife isn't into Walking Dead ) . So we have fun with it analyzing beforehand what might happen and to which character . Who's gonna live or who is going to die ? You know- gruesome stuff like that.

KInd of like analyzing a big game in baseball or football only we analyze Walking Dead. Really kind of fun ! LOL

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I can't take it anymore!

by BlackWolf in

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friends

my dad was recently made an elder about maybe 6 months ago, and now he is never around he's always at work or doing some kind of jw crap.

now he conducts the watchtower study and is even doing the special talk tommorow.

he's become an even more strict controlling jerk than he was before, and i'm never allowed to go out and do anything non jw related because he doesn't have the time.

flipper

BLACK WOLF- I know how you feel. I was born into the JW organization and my dad was an elder before I was born. Dealing with him was like dealing with your dad, he was always judgmental, expected perfection out of his kids ( us ) , and spent more time counseling members of the congregation than spending time with his own family.

Hopefully you'll turn 18 sometime soon and be able to get your own place with a roommate in order to escape the domineering head who rules your household. I know how you feel. When I was your age I wanted the hell out of my controlling dad's household also. You aren't alone, many of us are here for you and understand. I hope you don't wait until age 44 like me to exit the Witnesses as I started having doubts at age 30. But believe me, your life will be better and your thinking more free and clear once you get out. I'm 56 years old now and feel that life is great these last 12 years !

Just get a good education and prepare for college if you can by taking college prep courses in high school. Getting a college education will help you go far, further than your parents have gone. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper