Posts by flipper

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Elders are Complicit with WT Society in Child Abuse Scandals- Gonzalo Campos Case

by flipper in

of course, most of us realize this.

however sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the jw elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the wt society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

however- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so.

flipper

DRIVING FORCE- Good point you make. The comment this " brother " made to you about trusting what the WT Society leaders do regarding child abuse- is the same view that a lot of JW's have because they are mind controlled to believe in EVERYTHING the GB tells them. They are TOO trusting of WT leaders who in my opinion could lead JW's to their death someday by instructing JW's to jump off of cliffs- kind of like Jim Jones. Once cult members are THIS controlled where they identify with their captors ( WT Society) it's like the Stockholm Syndrome where they make excuses for criminal conduct and actions of their leaders. I feel that most of the 8 million JW's worldwide do this with their leaders. They have Stockholm Syndrome - and they don't even know it

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Elders are Complicit with WT Society in Child Abuse Scandals- Gonzalo Campos Case

by flipper in

of course, most of us realize this.

however sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the jw elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the wt society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

however- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so.

flipper

FINKELSTEIN- Exactly. WT Society has always been about image first, morals second or none at all.

TRUTHSEEKERIAM- This is the same child abuse case you are thinking of that cost the WT Society 13.5 million $$$$ for not revealing documents and information about their child abusers within the organization to the San Diego courts, yes. The name of the molested person is Gilbert Lopez, not Jose Lopez in this particular case. This made lots of news during the winter and early 2015. As you state- the priority of the WT Society AND elders is to keep ANY talk or exposing of child abuse within the JW organization totally quiet. They do not want this information getting out. Pretty disgusting what lengths they will go to in order to make sure that happens.

CRAZYGUY- Yes, this case is in California and yes , California IS a mandatory reporting state where pastors, clergy, and elders of any religion ARE required to report child abuse cases to police authorities. So once again WT Society AND the local San Diego elders dropped the ball and were irresponsible in not reporting the child abuse of Gilbert Lopez. And due to that fact Campos his child molester was NOT convicted in time and 9 total children were molested by him . WT Society produces criminal negligence even in their own elder bodies. It's sick. They need to answer for this. And they will pay for it

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Elders are Complicit with WT Society in Child Abuse Scandals- Gonzalo Campos Case

by flipper in

of course, most of us realize this.

however sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the jw elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the wt society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

however- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so.

flipper

Of course, most of us realize this. However sometimes even on this board sometimes threads have stated that the JW elders have been occasionally painted as the " fall guys " who take the rap for the WT Society leaders - which of course is true - to a degree.

However- that being said , many times elders have failed to protect - or even have failed to advocate for child abuse victims when it has been within their power to do so. I was sent the PDF file from court documents awhile back regarding the child abuse victim Gilbert Lopez's trial against Gonzalo Campos the elder who molested him. I felt it important to reveal some of this information so as to give a more complete understanding of what happened in this particular court case.

Notice this quote regarding the elders knowledge of Campos's child abuse activity AFTER Lopez had sought help with those San Diego elders. This is Lopez attorney Zalkin's opening statement - It states, " As Socorro ( victim Lopez's mother ) feared , the elders took no action in 1986. Campos was not restricted or expelled. The congregation was not warned. The body of elders in charge of Campos had the knowledge and power to stop him from hurting children, and they didn't. They were more concerned about avoiding scandal than they were about protecting children . Their conduct was irresponsible and reprehensible. "

It continues, " As a result of the choices made by the people that Watchtower put in charge of the congregation , Campos ravaged at least four more children - that we know of - over the next nine years. This makes a total of nine known victims of Campos. In fact, despite the knowledge they had about the dangers of keeping Campos in their congregations, he was actually elevated up the chain in the organization to a position as elder himself while he was sexually abusing children in a successor congregation. All of this occurred under a code of silence imposed by the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and strictly enforced by the Watchtower. "

It continues, " As stated by a letter regarding Gonzalo Campos which was signed by three elders on July 24, 1999 and addressed to Watchtower Service Department : " The community does not know of all this and there was no publicity about this. Everything took place in the congregation and because of that he was not prosecuted. " In other words, Watchtower's agents in Linda Vista congregation were extremely successful in suppressing knowledge of Campos' molestation of children ; thereby providing the secrecy needed so Campos could keep adding to his list of victims. "

So in spite of the WT Society's recent claim that they have " clergy penitent privilege " - this does NOT negate the fact that WT Society appointed elders HAVE been negligent in NOT reporting child molesters to police authorities - thereby ENABLING molesters like Gonzalo Campos to CONTINUE molesting multiple children- in this case NINE children total- committing more crimes due to elders not reporting child molestation to police. And this went on for YEARS.

If this was just an isolated case- a person may say, " O.K. someone dropped the ball " - but this story has been repeated hundreds if not thousands of times with Jehovah's Witness children being victimized by elders and the WT Society's desire to keep child abuse " in-house " so as to not reproach " Jehovah's name " - which in reality when translated means - don't reproach " WT Society's name " and it's organizational leaders.

So the story continues. It will keep continuing until WT Society changes it's horrid child abuse reporting policies. Don't count on it. WT leaders main priority is keeping " information control " over JW's and non-JW's so as to not have even more child abuse skeletons falling out of the closet. Because that would affect WT Society's other bottom line- the making of $$$$$ millions into billions $$$$$$$ .

After I've read more of this Campos Case court proceedings I will post more threads soon on it- however this is a start to give you insight regarding some information you might not have read in the media news. As always I look forward to your views and opinions. Feel free to share please. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Why don't people in the US, UK or Euro-Citizens know anything about Jehovah's Witness Pedophile Issues and lawsuits?

by MagicMItchJensen in

i know you all are aware of how little knowledge people have about jehovah's witnesses and topics men like bob bowen and women like barbara anderson tried to raise the level of public awareness that "the jehovah witness coming to your door might be a pedophile or child molester!

" what's gone wrong, has the society outsmarted the media or do people not really care what happens to young children?

if you took a survey trying to ascertain how many people walking through the grocery store, a target or upper class stores nordstroms, your going to be shocked how little people know.. if it's about the catholic church, those numbers shot through the ceiling, is this because there is no problem in the new world watchtower order or their better at damage control?

flipper

MITCH- Good thread. We do live in a world where people minimize child abuse and people generally give religion a " get out of jail free " card and bury their heads in the sand like ostriches because if they were to face the facts and reality of it- they'd discover that too many of the " elders ", " priests ", " fathers " , " bishops " - or others holding positions of power are criminally abusing that power by the molesting of children - and to face that fact puts a crimp in religious people's world view.

So it's a matter of open minded people like us individually talking to JW's and non-JW's and spreading the word about WT Society criminal child abuse. It comes down to that. If you see JW's standing at their JW carts- go talk with them about WT child abuse. Show them the ABC News Nightline news releases or the PBS Newshour news releases , print them off the computer links. If good people stand by and do nothing- evil will prevail. Even when good people DO something evil prevails - but not as much because the public gets INFORMED and ACCESS to information is given. So it's not a total loss. It's a gain of informing people. My 2 cents in how I see this

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'Conti' Court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of confidentiality

by telemetry11 in

the court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.. decision reads:.

"the law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of kendrick to the elders here.".

"if the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy.

flipper

TELMETRY- " Conti's court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of Confidentiality " .

No it doesn't. Not in the least. Kendrick's child abuse of various victims was NEVER held in " confidentiality " by the WT Society with just the elders within his congregation as communications with WT legal and the headquarters are documented within court documents - many of those communications of which I even have on PDF files on my computer. All along the way during these communications the WT Society and the elders dropped the ball and failed to protect not only Candace Conti, but further victims which Kendrick DID go on to molest.

Look- this Conti thing is NOT over by any stretch of the imagination. WT Society has already lost in having to pay out money to her AND the bad publicity that aired on PBS Newshour and ABC News Nightline each in 10 minute snippets describing in detail what went on regarding WT Society negligence towards Conti. And Kendrick and his wife assisted with the negative judgments towards the WT Society because they looked like " dildo brains " in their trying to excuse his criminal behavior on nationwide network T.V. The court of public opinion and HOW that public opinion spreads across the Internet is MUCH stronger than any seemingly evasive measures the WT Society tries to pull off - whether behind closed courtroom doors, or who is paying who off - judges, defendants, plaintiffs - whoever- it doesn't matter- the court of public opinion WILL prevail and it will find the WT Society criminally negligent not only for protecting child molesters, but the deaths of innocent children who are refused blood transfusions. So pick whatever poison you want- WT Society is, has been, and appears like they always WILL be criminally negligent. They just don't care about ANY victims of their crimes.

If WT wants to take it to the Supreme Court- fine- but the cows have left the barn and the gates have burst loose and more of these child abuse cases WILL make the media and expose the criminality of the WT Society, and that damage will do more in and of itself than the millions WT has to pay out

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'Conti' Court decision secures Watchtower's Policy of confidentiality

by telemetry11 in

the court on the rule of confidentiality of penitential communications and evidentiary privilege--.. decision reads:.

"the law generally protects the confidentiality of communications with clergy like those of kendrick to the elders here.".

"if the person has a constitutional right to independence in making religious choices, the recognition of an evidentiary privilege is an apt means of protecting that autonomy.

flipper

TRUTHSEEKERIAM hit the nail on the head. The Conti decision had NOTHING to do whatsoever with the 13.5 million judgment in the Lopez trial. The courts whacked the WT Society over the head with that penalty for refusing to hand over court requested documents about their child abuse policies AND their list of child molesters within their organization. AND the fact that Gerrit Losch refused to testify for the WT Society when the courts requested him to do so. So WT Society actually was in contempt of court for refusing to cooperate. So they got fined.

And as Truthseekeriam stated GB member Stephen Lett actually lied on JW.org T.V. when denying that the WT Society IS negligent and permissive towards pedophiles. He was just using JW.org as a convenient marketing tool to exploit and dilute the real truth of what's going on in order to calm down or put aside any " fears " or " concerns " JW's may have due to what's being broadcast on network news or the Internet concerning the reality of WT child abuse negligence. It's called " saving face ". Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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I had breakfast with 50+ JWs on Sunday

by zimunzucz in

jw
friends

we pulled into a hotel parking lot saturday around 6pm on the return leg of a wonderful family vacation to new england - an then fate stepped in---a man in a suit got out of a car with the rest of a picture perfect family.

i immediately noticed all the name tags--- and my blood pressure spiked 50pts- damn!!

i was booked in a 4 story hotel full of jws-- the only time they took off the name tags was in the swimming pool- they were so proud of themselves.. at 6:30 am the hot water went cold in the wife's shower- what do you expect on the 4th floor when a herd of jws is trying to get ready at the same time?

flipper

ZIM- Just freaking fantastic ! Well done indeed ! As you mentioned you just never know how many of those JW teenagers will look up JWFacts on line and bolt for freedom of mind. The more of us that do this- the more people WILL be informed

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Zambia - President Wants to Ban JWs

by OrphanCrow in

zambia has one of the highest concentrations of jws in the world.

their influence has impacted the political climate in that country to such an extent that the president attributes low voter turnout to the jws.. http://www.lusakatimes.com/2015/06/04/deregister-jehovah-witnesses-for-promoting-voter-apathy-cosmo-mumba/.

"national revolution party leader cosmo mumba has appealed to the register of societies to force jehovah witnesses to start singing the national anthem and participate in national elections or be banned.dr mumba told prime tv in lusaka that jehovah witnesses are the ones responsible for the prevailing low voter turnout in recent elections.he said theregistrar of societies should immediately force jehovah witnesses to start voting or ban them from practising in zambia.dr mumba said singing of the national anthem is a sign of patriotism and wondered why jehovah witnesses have been allowed to disregard symbols of national pride and patriotism like the singing of the national anthem.he claimed that zambias democracy may not grow if institutions such as the jehovah witnesses are allowed to continue operating in zambia.

flipper

Zambia should be so lucky............. wish our president would ban Jehovah's Witnesses. Might ease a lot of broken up family's due to WT Society influence here in America

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Being shunned only increases my certainty that the WBT$ is a cult

by punkofnice in

well, i don't wanna rant too much but sometimes things cut you don't they.. a family member had a get together for the family, jw and non jw and of course i wasn't invited being da'd.. i understand why they couldn't invite me but it just made me think.

in normal society this wouldn't happen.

i'd have been there.. the shunning is so unnatural and damaging.

flipper

PUNK- I feel you bro. I was shunned for 7 years or more from my oldest JW daughter- until recently she got back in touch with me due to her pregnancy. But we'll see what happens. I have other JW siblings who shun me even though I'm not DFed. It's a criminal organization causing people to do criminal and barbaric and inhumane things. We love ya Punky, always remember. Music's a healer too- but you know that already. Play on bro

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Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.

there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.

7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.

flipper

Thanks for posting this Barbara. WT Society IS a criminal organization committing crimes against children. Period mark. Exclamation point. No debates or questions about that whatsoever. Still in JW's and anybody outside of the organization needs to be made aware of those facts. We all do our part. Thanks again, Peace out, Mr. Flipper