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Candace Conti - Consequence for Elders

by The Searcher in

bodies of elders around the world will soon (tm) receive a nicely worded letter from the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, telling them that local elders are now responsible for ensuring that no perverts are allowed to be alone with any children on any kind of witness business, otherwise, the boe will be accountable to the courts - not the org!.

however, if the elders are aware that bro.

& sister oblivious sometimes ask bro.

flipper

As regards the opening thread- I DO feel like some others here that WT legal will craft a letter to the elders indicating tighter restrictions regarding pedophiles going out in field service. I don't know what those restrictions may be- it might be that pedophiles are ONLY allowed to work with elders out in the field service.

But here's the point- since 99 % of these child molesters keep abusing again - if a JW child molester wants to go out in service in private - what's to prevent him from doing so from his own house in a secret fashion ? It would be a very hard thing to police. I mean Kendrick snuck off and did it straight from the kingdom hall parking lot ! Taking Candace Conti with him back to his house. WT Society would have to institute a system in place to guard these pedophiles virtually 24 /7. And honestly- I just don't think WT Society leaders CARE that much, if not at all. Money is the prime concern.

It will be interesting to see if the WT leaders are reactive to this negligence court judgment and see what, if anything - they do

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Candace Conti - Consequence for Elders

by The Searcher in

bodies of elders around the world will soon (tm) receive a nicely worded letter from the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, telling them that local elders are now responsible for ensuring that no perverts are allowed to be alone with any children on any kind of witness business, otherwise, the boe will be accountable to the courts - not the org!.

however, if the elders are aware that bro.

& sister oblivious sometimes ask bro.

flipper

SUBYTREK- I admire the hell out of you for your decision to step down as an elder. Good for you- a man with ethics and principles. Congratulations ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Hold Me, Thrill Me

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

jw
friends

i'm going to be honest and from the heart when i say that for 40 years in the jw religion i was very happy in my ignorance!

man, what a trip it was.

i loved every minute of it but then i was absent the bad in my religion.

flipper

HOLDME-THRILL ME- Welcome to the board indeed ! Nice to have you here. I was born in the JW organization and in it from birth until age 44 over 11 years ago when I left. I too had to face the hard truth of being lied to and acknowledging the arrogance and injustices committed by men leading the WT organization- men I was told I could trust and had my best " interests " at heart and were supposed to offer me life eternal. That too was a lie.

Like yourself I read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz - but the 3 books that REALLY assisted me in losing the mind control and indoctrination of the Jehovah's Witnesses were Steve Hassan's 3 books on cult mind control : 1 . Combatting Cult Mind Control 2. Releasing the Bonds - Empowering People to Think for Themselves 3. Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling people, Cults and Beliefs. Steve Hassan's website is : www.freedomofmind.com. How these books helped me was in showing me HOW the WT Society affected me psychologically and emotionally in a negative way. It helped me to see the intrusive, deceptive, manipulating methods that mind control cults like Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology, and Mormons use in getting the upper hand controlling members lives. I feel it would really benefit you- I highly recommend looking into Hassan's books. It really helped me- especially having been raised a JW from birth as it was all I used to know. Boy- did my eyes and mind get opened up these last 11 years ! LOL. Take care Hold Me- nice having you here

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LATEST NEWS: CANDANCE CONTI VERIDICT READY - WT LOST!!!!!!!

by Viva la Vida in

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friends

i'm not an expert but that is my understanding of this: .

opinion filed.. (signed published) the judgment against defendants on the negligence count is affirmed.

the judgment against watchtower on the cause of action for punitive damages is reversed with directions to enter judgment for watchtower on punitive damages.

flipper

This was definitely a win for Candace Conti regarding the negligence of the WT Society and THAT is what she was trying to accomplish in the first place. So what if she was awarded only $$$$ 7 million for WT negligence instead of $$$$$$ 21 million for the punitive - WT Society was still found liable and negligent. This case has set a precedent regarding WT Society negligence - and due to the fact WT leaders have NOT really changed their child abuse policies - this will bode well for the other child abuse lawsuits coming down the pike against the WT Society. This was a win-win for Candace , her family, and everybody fighting on her behalf and on behalf of children being protected

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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case

by flipper in

as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.

i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.

dated 1/16/98 it opens : .

flipper

Thanks for all the replies ! Appreciate it.

FINKELSTEIN- Indeed there is enough corruption within the WT Society to go around the globe- yet alone within the Candace Conti case. The lying within the WT Society is prevalent as you stated and the superficial behavior- especially on the part of appointed elders or other power figures within the WT Society is inexcusable. A big factor within the walls of the WT organization as you stated is about "outward appearance " - so WT leaders don't want any of this information getting out- not only to outsiders, but especially to rank & file members as it would affect a number of JW's into exiting the cult if the whole truth came out. But many JW's are so mind controlled they'll just look at it as " persecution from Satan " and leave it in " Jehovah's " hands as you said.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT- I do realize and know how much you suffered at the hands of elders in regards to you trying to expose child abuse within your former congregation. You are to be commended and held in the highest respect for trying to expose corruption within that congregation. I think the child abuse problem is MUCH bigger, MUCH larger within the Jehovah's Witness organization than ANY of us might ever imagine. Evidence of that is that the WT Society REFUSED to testify or hand over documents to the court in the Lopez child abuse trial in San Diego. I truly believe if they handed over the confidential documents it would be the beginning of the end for the WT organization. There is so much incriminating evidence against higher up WT officials that they'd rather pay out 13 million $$$ here, 15 million $$$$ there - than to risk losing it all if the REAL nature of the total WT child abuse was known. Kind of how I see it. I really appreciate all the hard work you continue to do on behalf of protecting children. Keep up the great work.

HAIRTRIGGER- I agree with you. I think it's important to get this message out to everybody that we can. This WT child abuse situation is bigger than we know. It's a much bigger deal than we can possibly imagine. Thousands of cases- yet as far as lawsuits against the WT Society- only the surface has been scratched. I'm glad that you are informing the person who brought you in and informing others. Thanks for doing that. Let's keep saving the children.

PROBLEM ADDICT 2- It angered me greatly as well, I agree. I mean you bring up a great point. What in the hell was so important to these elders in this " letter of recommendation " about bringing up that Jonathan Kendrick plays the goddamned violin and does woodworking ? I mean don't you think the fact that he "sexually abuses children " should have been disclosed somewhere in this idiotic letter ? Absolutely astounding the liability these elders have against them and on their heads

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Mystery Letters of "Human Apostate" talk 2013 summer convention and its connection to Lev.5:1

by Bill Covert in

greetings from redding calif. my name is bill covert.

i am one of those viet nam war felons for having to refuse communtiy service in lieu of military induction per direct instructions from ny, so i have been around for a while.

i am the writer of the letters mentioned in the human apostate talk of the 2013 conventions.

flipper

BILL- It's good that you are trying to expose the criminality of the WT organization in what you are doing. About " killing off elders who had guilty consciences " - I'm going to assume from your other words by " kill off " you mean to cause them enough stress where they will die of natural causes - correct ? It sounds as if you've been caused enough grief already by the WT organization and it's representatives as to NOT cause yourself more stress by actually physically murdering elders in the JW cult. Just let them die due to their own guilt and stress- right ?

Here's the deal. We are all doing what we can to expose the criminality of the WT Society. You do it your way. I do it my way. Other people here do it their way. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. I appreciate that you think you might have the " keys to the kingdom " with the Leviticus 5 : 1 situation - that's fine- have at it . I wish you the best in exposing the WT Society. Personally I'm an agnostic who doesn't give a flying fu%k about anything the Bible says. I feel I can expose the WT Society by just revealing access to information to the public and ex-JW's and any lurking active JW's by revealing criminal conduct I come across through court documents, news media on the Internet, etc. It sounds like you are basically doing the same thing, just using the Bible to help prove your point. That's cool , whatever works.

I'm sorry for the personal loss that you have suffered at the hands of dishonest elders. I myself have suffered loss as well . Adult JW children who still shun me and JW's who tried to wreck my life. But the best revenge we can get on the WT Society is having a happy life and successful life after exiting the JW cult. And yet- I'm one who agrees that in exposing the criminality of the WT Society we ALL help protect any potential victims of the unethical practices that the WT Society will try to pull over on people. So I wish you the best in your quest for justice. And go live a happy life which it sounds like you are with your fiddle jams and other activities./ I'm into playing music as well- it's healing to myself and others. Take care and stay safe

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National Sibiling Day and Jehovah's Witnesses

by wannaexit in

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friends

in most of the usa and canada april 10 is national sibling day.

the witnesses are all in a frenzie actually celebrating this in my area.

yet in a few months these same people will shun mother and father's day.

flipper

At least my JW siblings are consistent- they shun me their lone non-JW sibling AND don't celebrate Fathers or Mothers day . LOL

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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case

by flipper in

as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.

i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.

dated 1/16/98 it opens : .

flipper

ON THE WAY OUT- Exactly, you nailed it. The lax attitude of these elders was to say the very least- astonishing - to the point of totally minimizing ANY wrongs that Kendrick had done in the past and as you stated- like Adam blaming Eve- the elders just put the blame on Kendrick's wife for not being " submissive " enough thus causing Kendrick all his problems. It's amazing how circular reasoning is alive and well in elders communications to other elders within the JW cult ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case

by flipper in

as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.

i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.

dated 1/16/98 it opens : .

flipper

STIRRED- I have talked to active JW's at their JW cart while they were " witnessing " - and you are right some of them DO think Candace Conti was doing a " money grab " - even in spite of her testimony that she was doing it to protect other future child abuse victims.

However- Even JW's cannot refute letters written , signed, and dated from elders to other elders supported by the WT Society recommending Jonathan Kendrick as an allegedly , " " fine brother who can offer a positive spirit to any congregation ". And then try to justify why no JW parents were warned but a false and lying recommendation was sent from one elder body to the next. It's unexplainable , it's irresponsible, and quite frankly - criminally negligent as Kendrick DID go on to molest other JW children. JW's can claim anything they want- but the evidence is in writing condemning the elders actions and exposing the criminality of those actions

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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case

by flipper in

as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.

i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.

dated 1/16/98 it opens : .

flipper

O.K. ! Now for page 2 replies . Thanks for all of your great replies ! Keep the comments and thoughts coming on this thread please ! Lurking JW's NEED to read this information as do any inactive JW's sitting on the fence or any non-JW's who can warn other people about the criminal negligence of the WT Society. Your help is appreciated . Thanks.

BLONDIE- I agree with you. I feel terribly sad for those in the JW organization who have suffered injustices due to the irresponsible WT Society child abuse policies. Like yourself- I left this organization mainly due to the unjust behavior of appointed elders who I realized NEVER had any alleged " holy spirit " that appointed them. It was all about who kissed who's ass that got them appointed. Nothing to do with how good or kind or how just a person was. The whole organization is rotten because it comes down and starts at the TOP of the WT organization and like bad apples the disease just permeates down into elders, into heads of family with the men , and even permeates into women who end up STAYING with child molesters because they've been mind controlled to " respect their head " and never question anything. It's a organizational "mental illness " is what it is.

LABEL LICKER- Exactly. I saw so much dishonesty and the promoting of very sick minded individuals into positions of oversight and responsibility within congregations when I used to attend years ago. And like yourself I just couldn't stomach it anymore so I left due to all the injustices I saw.

STILL TOTALLY ADD- I bet you saw a lot as an elder in the JW organization. Lots of times I saw elders unwilling to stand up for what is right when unjust situations arose in congregations. Very rarely did I see justice prevail. Occasionally you would see an elder body really try to do the right thing. But in my opinion- most elder bodies would follow WT Society recommendations to the T even if it went against their collective conscience because it was a Nazi run organization. If the elders didn't obey " mother " they were no longer used as elders. A criminally complicit organization. Still is today.

VIDIOT- Yes, they are crazy and unfortunately not stupid. Just unethical, criminally insane, and very calculating. WT Society holds leverage on the elders in congregations and they know it. They are fully aware of what they are doing in an unjust way. They just do NOT care.

HAIRTRIGGER- I appreciated Lisa Roses post as well. Very good post and thoughts. Thanks for your post too Hairtrigger. Word needs to spread and get out to everybody we can get it out to