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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

JAMES MIXON- Yeah, I agree with you it's better not to debate scriptures or JW doctrine with these JW Cart people. Just stay on topic about WT child abuse. JW's are trained to try to go off topic and do circular reasoning on issues- why feed into it ? I agree. I think these people still see me as a non-JW as I told them my family are JW's but I'm not. So I'll stick with that still when I talk to them again.

PAINTED TOE NAIL- I REALLY like your idea about holding up signs that say " these people protect pedophiles " and list the names of the child abuse victims. EXCELLENT idea ! Because passerbys can write down the names and google them on the Internet in the privacy of their own homes and do research. In fact- I think your idea is the BEST idea I've read on this thread yet ! Good job !

ON THE WAY OUT- Thanks bud. Believe me- the thought crossed my mind to throw the entire Cart into the trash, but I'd never do that. I had lowered myself a bit already by tearing up the WT literature right in front of them and throwing it away- didn't want to accelerate the situation- believe me- it was already tense with " skinny arse grandpa elder " getting on his high horse throwing away my information. LOL . I'll go back though and hopefully talk to some different JW's there. The last two days I still see the JW cart there but different people are sitting there. I'll probably try again next week . Perhaps I'll hold up a sign or something like Painted Toe Nail said.

SPECTRE- I liked your comment- it's cool.

GLITCHY- Thanks for sharing your experience with your mom. Wow. It really proves what Finkelstein was saying is SO true- JW's will protect the reputation of the organization even above admitting criminal activity is being hidden within the walls of Kingdom halls. Thanks for providing the links to Reveal news and Trey Bundy's reports and links regarding this. Very important documentation exposed. Good work.

PETE ZAHUT- That's a really great idea you have to put these you tubes on some kind of a playback device and go show it to the JW's at the JW Carts. Actual footage of the ABC news report - then if they don't want to listen to it they can just run away from their JW cart areas ! LOL ! Gotta love it.

OPUSDEI 1972- Thanks, I really tried to show them reality. It's hard because they are so closed minded. But maybe they'll check it out on the Internet.

JW LEAKS- That is REALLY funny ! Awesome picture, awesome post ! Yep- I've got a " prostate " problem, not an " apostate " problem ! Love it.

SMIDDY- Thanks. I hope I did plant a seed in one or more of them. We shall see. I'm looking forward to going back next week and talk to hopefully some more of them. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

WOOPS ! I missed answering Clarity on pg. 3 !

CLARITY- Thanks for your support I appreciate it. It is a hot topic right now and I'm just trying to stoke the fire and keep it hot- thus the reason I approached the JW cart people. Who knows ? Perhaps you might try it in your area ? You never know what might happen. Take care, thanks for your kindness, my wife says " hi " as well

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

Wow ! Lots of responses ! Thanks for responding. I'll try to catch up on page 3 responses. My son and his girlfriend are comin' over for dinner - so I'll try to answer as much as I can before they come.

MORPHEUS- Yeah, I agree with you- I think " Sister Talkative " was blowing smoke when claiming the elders told the molester he couldn't come to the kingdom hall. They'll say anything to prove a point. Kingdom halls ARE public buildings like you said.

FINKELSTEIN- You make a very good point- very true- that the JW's are programmed to protect the image of the WT organization at all cost. I mean- it's incredible to what lengths a JW will go in order to do this. I've seen JW's do some pretty criminal things JUST to protect a criminal organization like the WT Society. It's amazing what I've seen through the years.

GAYLE- I'm glad that you feel inspired by my experience to go be proactive yourself. It sounds like you've been doing a great job in your neighborhood in waking people up as well ! That is awesome what you did in supplying JW.FACTS information to your neighbors. Good for you- keep the good work up.

REDVIP2000- You know- I thought afterwards if I did the right thing - or not- by throwing away their WT literature , I wondered if I should have shown myself as more dignified and hand their literature back to them - but then I thought - " what the hell " if they were going to show disrespect for the information I was attempting to give them I was going to show them I did not value their information as well. I felt MY information was just as important as theirs- probably MORE important indeed. So I did what I did and now I still stand by that decision.

JAMES MIXON- Well, you make some good points. I presented myself as a non-JW I only have relatives who are JW's. I never attended meetings here where we live- I attended over 90 miles away so nobody here knows I was a JW many years ago. Total different area. I think any of us former JW's or not could stand about 50 feet away with signs and boards showing ' WT Society and Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Child Molesters " and it would do some good informing of people. It would probably be a good idea to set up away from the JW Cart people- LOL ! - if you set up right next to them it might start a riot. I think any media outlet could be contacted, local newspapers, T.V. to give it attention. If we know of certain child abuse cases that the local elders are sitting on we as concerned citizens could call child protection services in your local area to draw attention to the lack of action on JW elders parts. Putting up signs in stores on information boards- I've already done that at a couple stores about the WT child abuse cases. Lots of things we can do in each of our areas we live to make this REALLY heard and seen by JW's and non-JW's. We just have to get motivated to do it.

ABIBLE STUDENT- Thanks ! Personally I don't think it's a very good idea - at least for me anyway- to say I'm a former JW as it will turn the JW's away from listening to my message. I don't really want to talk shop, or talk doctrine with them because that tends to distract from the main issue I'm there to talk about : WT child abuse. I think it's a pretty safe tactic to just say I was never a JW but my family is in and I'm bewildered by their views and how they act . In that way the JW's will see me as a potential " convert " and want to communicate with me. If they see me as an ex-JW they'll turn into a brick wall and I won't get through to them. That's just been my experience anyway. My 2 cents here.

COFTY- Yes, I agree with you. It works better when presenting ourselves as never having been a JW. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Why do people "come back"?

by kairos in

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i know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.

i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..

flipper

Mind control is strong even in people who have left the JW organization. And if they don't research and READ or INFORM themselves of HOW they were manipulated and controlled by the WT Society mind control- it's very easy for them to go back- their brain neurotransmitters are still in locked down JW mode because nothing else has been installed into their brains. It's an actual physiological thing.

AND - Many go back out of fear and guilt being coerced or pressured by family or else pressured within their own minds due to the first point I made about the mind control still percolating in their brains. If they don't replace WT indoctrination with other information it will continue to be the old adage " garbage in , garbage out " it remains and festers in the mind. Just my 2 cents on the subject

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Do you want to take action to support mandatory child abuse reporting? (UK or US mainly)

by defender of truth in

this quote is just for discussion purposes, not my political bias or anything... .

" a 'revolution in attitudes' is needed to safeguard children from sex abusers, according to the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper.in an interview with the independent on sunday, ms cooper said that the problem was wider than the historic cases uncovered through the jimmy savile scandal and the abuse of hundreds of children in rotherham.she said that childrens voices must be heard by organisations which had failed to act in the past, and pledged that a labour government would make the reporting of abuse a legal requirement... we need to introduce mandatory reporting so that no institution can ever be tempted to think that the reputation of the institution matters more than the protection of the child ... there has to be a stronger obligation to report and to act.labour has included mandatory reporting in the partys pre-election manifesto and has also said it will set up a cross-whitehall unit to tackle child protection.

"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/child-sex-abuse-shadow-home-secretary-calls-for-revolution-in-attitudes-to-safeguard-vulnerable-10077725.html.

flipper

I signed the petition to make it mandatory to report child abuse. I hope many more sign so they get the required amount of signatures they need to get it put forth and passed

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

I've gotta go run out the door and go to work out of town tonight- will be back tomorrow to answer the rest of your responses on page 3 here. Thanks for your responses- keep them coming. I'm interested to know or hear of any ideas you may have for revealing this WT child abuse situation to the public and JW's themselves. See ya tomorrow ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

JAMES MIXON- Indeed my wife and I discussed the very thing you just mentioned. What it would be like to stand at the other end of the park or within 50 feet or so of these Witnesses with huge posters or signs saying, " Jehovah's Witnesses protect child molesters " - and see what kind of response it would get. It's a free society and if the JW's can go out there with their JW carts - we have the right to stand up and hold signs also ! Good idea. Peace out. Mr. Flipper

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

SOFIA LOSE- I find it interesting that even with the Lopez child abuse case in San Diego, California that the Spanish congregations are oblivious to it. What do you think is causing that to happen ? I'm curious about what you think is causing the Spanish congregations to ignore it.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT- Thanks for your support and kind words. I think Sister Talkative's head was in the clouds, she is just deluded by what she is told within the WT organization. I know how hard it was for you in your situation it had to be incredibly disgusting and difficult for you - I'm so sorry you experienced what you did. All we can hope to do is give more access to these JW's about the WT child abuse scandals. Take care.

JAMES MIXON- Thanks I appreciate it

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

Thanks for all the comments ! I appreciate it.

JW LEAKS- Thanks. It does make one wonder how these JW's would have responded to Candace Conti herself- I feel they still would have called her an " apostate " and treated her disrespectfully. These people's minds are totally constipated. And a GB member like Morris ? nope, I don't think he would man a cart. Like you said the pictures you provided were photo ops. Set up. From what I hear GB members don't really go out in service very much. LOL !

OUTLAW- That's hilarious ! I would imagine Morris and the other GB are soiling their britches with all these lawsuits right now.

GARRETT- Thanks I appreciate it.

HAPPY@LAST- Interesting you tube . The guy is trying to draw out the JW and what's interesting to me is that the JW doesn't even seem to have a Bible ! I mean- that would have been unheard of back in the day years ago when I was a Witness. How are these JW's supposed to defend their faith with nothing but WT literature ? Amazing. I found it interesting that the JW when asked what he'd do or say to the man who had less than two minutes to live - hypothetically- that the JW told him about the " resurrection " hope. Message to JW- How about calling 911 if the guy has been shot and getting an ambulance there in a real emergency situation ? Unbelievable the fantasy world they live in ! They can't even make a decision in a real life emergency situation .

SPLASH- Indeed we ex-JW's have a little preaching work ourselves to accomplish.

NOTSUREWHERETOGO- I wasn't trying to attack these JW's belief systems or doctrines- I was there to INFORM them of recent serious news coverage on major news outlets concerning WT child abuse. Give them REAL access to information that they will never hear about inside a JW Kingdom hall. I knew that I probably would not change these JW's viewpoints- my main purpose was to give them access to the child abuse news and then they will in turn talk about it to other JW's in their congregation. I wanted to get the information wheel rolling. As JW's like to talk and gossip- I believe the news will spread in my area that the public is telling local JW's they know about the WT child abuse scandal- and that is a good thing.

It may cause them to feel they are being persecuted- yes- but what are we going to do- remain silent about these WT child abuse cases all across America ? I for one will NOT remain silent - JW's need to know and if that offends them or rocks their world- that is THEIR problem - they need to have empathy towards the JW child abuse victims.

HEAVEN- Thanks. That's a very good question to ask a JW woman if she would continue to be a JW or go to the same kingdom hall their molester went to if they were molested. Good point. Wonder how they would answer that ?

FINKELSTEIN- You got it exactly. I wasn't trying to debate WT doctrine with them - I was just giving them access to information concerning WT child abuse that I'm quite sure they had not heard about. The dangerous policies of the WT Society need to be revealed.

THE SEARCHER- Yeah, they tried calling me an " apostate " but I told them I was never a baptized JW. JW's will call anybody an " apostate " even if they've never been a JW. That's how paranoid they are.

WASANELDERONCE- Exactly. The mind control the WT Society has over these people is incredibly strong. All their answers are like pre-rinsed or pre-arranged so they don't have to listen to you or think with their minds. Like robots they are programmed to say or do certain things- anything beyond that they start overloading and it doesn't compute. LOL.

PRONOMONO- I hope the talkative sister will talk to other sisters in her congregation about it

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

O.K. Page 2 responses now, thanks again for your nice thoughts.

SOUR GRAPES- You make a really good and valid point. These JW's DID get bug eyed and act scared to death when I presented this information to them. I swear- the skinny older elder thought that I was the " Devil Incarnate " himself . LOL. I think most JW's just aren't READY to be challenged. They are SOOOO mind controlled by the WT Society thinking that they have the alleged " truth " - that they kind of put their brains on " cruise control " and don't really even think or worry about what they're going to say. Because once they get challenged- they become VERY scattered in their behavior kind of grasping for straws. Really weird.

ARWEN- Hey thanks. I think it's good to get this message out there as well. JW's certainly aren't going to have this Candace Conti case announced at their Service Meetings ! LOL. I think the Talkative " Sister " will research this on the Internet. If she can sneak past her husband.

SHIRLEY W- Thanks. I think the talkative lady will research it if her husband doesn't stop her.

HAPPY DAD- Indeed the JW's just keep on being ignorant about things - all they know is what they hear from the WT Society- they aren't willing many times to research it themselves. I'm hoping at least these two JW ladies will research it.

OZ GIRL- Thanks, I tried to be calm and respectful- more than I can say that the old elder did ! LOL.

NICOLAOU- Thanks. Exactly. If JW's keep showing up in public places like this- more people are going to challenge them and make them think.

FREEGIRL 2006- Indeed it was interesting for sure. Thanks. Peace out, mr. Flipper